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[Systern]

Are the release notes complete?


wait... How incomplete are the release notes?


Are EE mobs still in every Epic difficulty of U13's quests?
Sagas back on-line?
Those uncomplete-able Shadowfell quests still Uncomplete-able?


Probably lower priority for you guys but my personal pet bug... In the past year the only time Improved Feint hasn't been broken* was the period between U15 and U16 where you accidentally removed it from game entirely. (Okay, so it kinda works, if you take no action for 2 full seconds after performing the attack you'll get the bluff check. No auto-attack. don't get hit. Don't block. Don't move. So, It's just coded so horribly that it never works in actual gameplay. Please revert to the ~U12-U13 version of the feat.)

[jalont]

True, wrong is wrong. But beguile wasn't wrong. Red name immunities are wrong. They are poor, lazy design.

I'm sorry, no. This game is already too easy. A lack of red name immunities would push it into kiddie realm.

[Flavilandile]

It takes a special kind of person to then insist their whole company should be working through the night and play the race card to insult an entire nation if you don't get your way. Also, I am European and even as such find your conduct pathetic.

Not the whole company, the required persons to roll out the update on the live server. That's probably 3/4 people at the data center.

As for the race card, I wasn't the one that called it, I answered to it, and it was a country card ( as the US against the rest of the world ) more than a race card.
I couldn't care less if people are blue, green, red, brown, black, yellow, purple or white.

It's also about how to treat your own employees. You may not consider them having any value as human being because they are Americans, but their employees do not have that liberty and if Turbine keeps calling in their software engineers to work through the night for every update and bug fix then they soon will find themselves short a few software engineers because they will start look for employment at a different company which does not require them to work through the night as often.

You got any statistics for that? Because having worked in management (in Europe) I do.

There's jobs where it's included in the description that you are bound to do night shift work ( more or less ) regularly.
It's included in my job description, and I know that most if not all the operational people in Telecoms in Europe have it included in their job description.
I also know that it's included in a lot of IT companies operational job descriptions... a Software Engineer ( aka developer ) is not an operational job, it's a Design job.

[Teh_Troll]

I'm sorry, no. This game is already too easy. A lack of red name immunities would push it into kiddie realm.

Have to agree, as fun as it was while it lasted this changed needed to go.

[HernandoCortez]

That's an interesting quote coming from someone who effectively argues that people of other races/nations/cultures should be forced to work through the night just for their personal entertainment.

There is no racial/cultural/divide beyond your own sad attempt of playing a race card. Software engineers are usually only called in during off-hours to deal with an emergency (such as a software crash or a situation that can cause significant damages if not dealt with immediately). European software companies don't habitually call in their staff either only because it may be more convenient for Americans.

You paying 25 (US) cents (roughly 0.20 Euro) for the service. It takes a special kind of person to then insist their whole company should be working through the night and play the race card to insult an entire nation if you don't get your way. Also, I am European and even as such find your conduct pathetic.



It's also about how to treat your own employees. You may not consider them having any value as human being because they are Americans, but their employees do not have that liberty and if Turbine keeps calling in their software engineers to work through the night for every update and bug fix then they soon will find themselves short a few software engineers because they will start look for employment at a different company which does not require them to work through the night as often.

You got any statistics for that? Because having worked in management (in Europe) I do.

1st - nobody is forced to do anything. Don't like being called in the night to go to work? Quit the job and go do something else, like I did. No more IT for me. What you call their "personal entertainment" is Turbine's business. And they do care about their customers' opinion - at least they've been lately.

2nd - "European software companies don't habitually call in their staff either only because it may be more convenient for Americans." Its not about nationality. Its about business. If your customer is being affected by an issue, it affects your business as a whole. Didn't they shut the servers down for MAC user's "convenience"?

3rd - it doesn't matter if you pay a penny or a dollar per hour, its business. How many people are affected in EU or Asia or wherever because a server downtime? If its more than americans, fair enough to change the downtime, which I don't think its the case here. Telling someone their "Conduct is Pathetic" is a personnal offense IMO - its their OPINION - thus, THAT is pathetic... sorry.

[Qaliya]

It's also about how to treat your own employees. You may not consider them having any value as human being because they are Americans, but their employees do not have that liberty and if Turbine keeps calling in their software engineers to work through the night for every update and bug fix then they soon will find themselves short a few software engineers because they will start look for employment at a different company which does not require them to work through the night as often.

An excellent point. (Which will no doubt be ignored like so many others in this thread.)

[DunkleNymphe]

We should getting used to be considered as second class players by now... At least they are not wrecking a Friday evening.... This time.

Tolero,

You really cannot do those updates between 2 AM and 6 AM Boston Time ?

Is there any technical reason why you cannot do them at these time ?

Is there any commercial reason why you cannot do them at these time ?

I think you made an epic fail with a routine common sense skill check...

The apparent reason is that they'll have to pay their staff more for work outside normal office hours. Duh.
I am sure you can live without playing for an evening. Btw, I am in the EU, too, and while I'd prefer a bit more of advance notice, I absolutely understand that Turbine doesn't want to force their staff to get up in the middle of the night to do a patch.

[vhortex]

No, we want this company to not regularly inconvenience its second-largest group of customers.

The timing of patches says one thing to me - that Turbine care more about not paying their employees overtime, than they do about the experience of their customers.

How much money would it cost Turbine to pay some of their engineers to get up early? How much money (not to mention good-will) do Turbine *lose* from not having the DDO store available for at least three hours at one of the busiest times of day?

I stopped buying from the store and dropped my VIP after they forced me to face the downtime on all of my free playing time and I am not even in Europe, it is an inconvenience for us in East Asia and for Australians too.

[Violith]

So are saga's back or they gone for good? was there even a word as to what was wrong with them cause they worked fine for me, cept it was only lettting me shard skip 1 quest a day (might've been 1 forever since I never got a chance to run it a 2nd time, but it didnt let me skip a quest in the second round after I already skipped one to finish the previous one)

and, While I agree beguile should be fixed, making bosses completely immune just makes that ability useless (and forcing us to waste AP on taking it to take the SLA's) I can see raid bosses but not normal red names. unless your running stuff over your level by like 5-6 levels the thing wouldnt have enough time to tick up to anywhere near useful, so the only place it was worth it was on quest bosses, and if a 50% reduct was deemed too powerful then make it a reduced chance/amount on red names. not complete immunity

Heroic and Epic raid completions are now tracked separately for the purposes of calculating special 20th completion end reward lists. Existing progress has been placed into the Heroic and Epic completion columns as appropriate.

what does this enable exactly? AFAIK its no raid has different gear between epic/heroic, not to mention we cant run a heroic and then run the epic right afterwards (unless you changed the timer to be seperate as well). so this fix seems rather pointless. unless the Epic quests now contain the Epic versions of the items it normally drops the shards for, and thus by running it epic 20times we'll be able to choose the Epic item(please tell me this was the fix and you merely didnt say so because you wanted us to find out ourselves through playing)

[thesiuscadol]

The trouble with that is that you would not get any response to your update till the next morning and if it failed you would want to wait another 24 hours? If you do it during the regular shift and there is a problem you can recover and you have the advantage of stores (cards and drives do go down) being open to get replacement equipment. Not may computer supply shops open at 2 am Boston time. In a perfect world there would be no patches.

[drathdragon]

ehmm.. sorry

can anybody give me a link to the patch notes ?

thanks in advance

[Cordovan]

The Saga system will return in a future update, but the fix to it didn't make it into this patch.

[enochiancub]

ehmm.. sorry

can anybody give me a link to the patch notes ?

thanks in advance

Scroll up to where they were posted?
Check the dev tracker tool?

[Cordovan]

The arguments and fighting over workers rights, time zones, inconveniences caused by downtime to one group of people over another, etc. end now. Further discussions along these lines will be deleted, and the person discussing them in this thread will be infracted. Consider yourself duly warned.

[patang01]

True, wrong is wrong. But beguile wasn't wrong. Red name immunities are wrong. They are poor, lazy design.

I agree, and it seems that with this xpack they decided to up the HP because people are running with high end EDs. The result is that my first lifer with a epic souleater had to spend over 5 minutes killing the fire reaver in EN second spinner quest and about the same nailing the red named hezrau. It had 58k HP.

EN - that's just crazy. Had it not been for beguile I wouldn't never been able to finish both of those encounters.

[Archangel_666]

So...

When the Servers come back online and I log onto my Monk, am I going to find that if I hit Stunning Fist and Quivering Palm my EiN charges start building again?

Am I going to find that all the Canith Challenge Gear that I made Tier Three (And thus Bound to Character) specifically so I could lower the level with Masterful Craftsmanship is now actually recognising that I used Masterful Craftsmanship on them?

For that matter are those same Canith Challenge Items going to actually show the correct Spell Lores?

[SirCrazyRob]

Scroll up to where they were posted?
Check the dev tracker tool?

https://www.ddo.com/en/update-19-patch-1 there ya go bro

[Flavilandile]

never mind: seen Cordovan's post

[SickCat]

Personally, I LOVE frequent patching. I don't care if it's at 8pm on a Friday night. If you have a fix for something, you better believe I'll go make a sandwich or watch a movie while it gets fixed. Patches every day? SURE! I'll never complain about the game getting repairs no matter when they are or how frequent.

That's just me...

[drathdragon]

https://www.ddo.com/en/update-19-patch-1 there ya go bro

thanks so much !