U19 - Instigator

[Braegan]

Sorry in advance for necroticizing this thread.

So how about this progression:

1 mnk, 2-3 ftr, 4 mnk, 5-6 ftr, 7-8 mnk, 9-12 ftr, 13-14mnk, 15-18 ftr, 19-20 pal

1: Magical training
1h: Force of Personality/Paladin PL
1m: Power attack
2f: cleave
3: toughness (swap out?)
3f: stunning blow
4m: thf
6: great cleave (4ftr/2 mnk)
6f: wf:s
7: monk path
9: improved crit (5 ftr/4 mnk)
10f: ws:s
12: ithf > centering (switch to greataxe, needs 8 ftr) (8 ftr/4 mnk)
12f: gwf:s (needs 8 ftr)
14m: Dodge (needs +3 dex tome)
15: Master of Forms (req Monk 6)
16f: GWS:S (12 ftr/4 mnk)
18: Grandmaster of Forms
18f: gthf
19-20 P
21: Overwhelming Crit
24: Epic Toughness
26E: Perfect THF
27: Epic DR
28E: Tactician

Or is this not even worth it without including ranged? I'm planning this for my first TR from 15 pal/3 rog/2 ftr (Ellis's build).

Not that old of a necro so no worries. The build is certainly fine without a ranged component. There are very few times I use it as is and have been thinking about losing some of the ranged feats myself.

On leveling order I think I went 1) Pal, 2-7) Monk, 8-15) Ftr, 16) Pal, 17-20) Ftr. Of course with discussion over Divine Grace, this build may change out paladin levels for Clr or Fvs for access to DM without using a twist. I am still thinking it over and when I get ready to make that change I'll update this thread.

On feats, make sure to double check pre-reqs, I.E. You have PL: Pal as a choice for Level 1 Human Bonus, you must be Level 3+ to select the active PL.

[pafunk]

Not that old of a necro so no worries. The build is certainly fine without a ranged component. There are very few times I use it as is and have been thinking about losing some of the ranged feats myself.

On leveling order I think I went 1) Pal, 2-7) Monk, 8-15) Ftr, 16) Pal, 17-20) Ftr. Of course with discussion over Divine Grace, this build may change out paladin levels for Clr or Fvs for access to DM without using a twist. I am still thinking it over and when I get ready to make that change I'll update this thread.

On feats, make sure to double check pre-reqs, I.E. You have PL: Pal as a choice for Level 1 Human Bonus, you must be Level 3+ to select the active PL.

Oh cool. I think I like that progression better - gets LOH for healing in early levels and saves bonus for last few heroic levels. Maybe this feat progression?

1: Force of Personality > Magical Training (feat swap at lvl 20)
1h: Stunning blow
2m: Power Attack
3: Cleave
3m: Toughness
4m: Monk path light
6: Great Cleave
7m: THF (+5 BAB)
8ftr: Weapon focus
9: Paladin PL
9ftr: Improved THF
11ftr: Weapon specialization
12: Improved Critical
13ftr: Dodge
15: Master of forms
15ftr: Greater weapon focus
18: Grandmaster of forms
18ftr: Greater THF
20ftr: Greater weapon specialization
21: Overwhelming Crit
24: Epic Toughness (needs +4 CON tome)
26E: Perfect THF
27: Epic DR
28E: Tactician/Perfect TWF

Wanting to TR as soon as I farm up enough tokens, would love to hear more thoughts before I do.

[Braegan]

Oh cool. I think I like that progression better - gets LOH for healing in early levels and saves bonus for last few heroic levels. Maybe this feat progression?

1: Force of Personality > Magical Training (feat swap at lvl 20)
1h: Stunning blow
2m: Power Attack
3: Cleave
3m: Toughness
4m: Monk path light
6: Great Cleave
7m: THF (+5 BAB)
8ftr: Weapon focus
9: Paladin PL
9ftr: Improved THF
11ftr: Weapon specialization
12: Improved Critical
13ftr: Dodge
15: Master of forms
15ftr: Greater weapon focus
18: Grandmaster of forms
18ftr: Greater THF
20ftr: Greater weapon specialization
21: Overwhelming Crit
24: Epic Toughness (needs +4 CON tome)
26E: Perfect THF
27: Epic DR
28E: Tactician/Perfect TWF

Wanting to TR as soon as I farm up enough tokens, would love to hear more thoughts before I do.

Feat selection/placement looks good. Have fun with the TR!

[Jhaeran]

Thinking about going going Instigator but with Bladeforged, could you take a look below and let me know if any issues. No ranged component, Enhancements seem the murkiest but can always play around with it.

Saves seem on the low side - but with resistance item and +CHA item it should be an easy +10-12. Still seems low though, missing something?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02
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JhInstigator 12_6_2_Ftr_Mnk_Pal
Level 28 Lawful Good Bladeforged Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 6 Monk \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 538
Spell Points: 80 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 27
Reflex: 19
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             16                    29
Dexterity            12                    16
Constitution         17                    22
Intelligence         12                    16
Wisdom                8                    12
Charisma             14                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               1                    23
Bluff                 2                    12
Concentration         7                    28
Diplomacy             2                    12
Disable Device        n/a                  n/a
Haggle                2                    12
Heal                 -1                     9
Hide                  1                    11
Intimidate            2                    35
Jump                  3                    20
Listen               -1                     9
Move Silently         1                    11
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform               n/a                  n/a
Repair                3                    35
Search                1                    11
Spellcraft            1                    11
Spot                 -1                     9
Swim                  3                    17
Tumble                n/a                  14
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Selected) Magical Training
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Tactician
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Power of the Forge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sting of the Ninja (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Shattering Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - A Good Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Keen Edge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - One With The Blade (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Deadly Strike (Rank 1)

[Braegan]

Thinking about going going Instigator but with Bladeforged, could you take a look below and let me know if any issues. No ranged component, Enhancements seem the murkiest but can always play around with it.

Saves seem on the low side - but with resistance item and +CHA item it should be an easy +10-12. Still seems low though, missing something?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.20.02
DDO Character Planner Home Page

JhInstigator 12_6_2_Ftr_Mnk_Pal
Level 28 Lawful Good Bladeforged Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 6 Monk \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 538
Spell Points: 80 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 27
Reflex: 19
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             16                    29
Dexterity            12                    16
Constitution         17                    22
Intelligence         12                    16
Wisdom                8                    12
Charisma             14                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               1                    23
Bluff                 2                    12
Concentration         7                    28
Diplomacy             2                    12
Disable Device        n/a                  n/a
Haggle                2                    12
Heal                 -1                     9
Hide                  1                    11
Intimidate            2                    35
Jump                  3                    20
Listen               -1                     9
Move Silently         1                    11
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform               n/a                  n/a
Repair                3                    35
Search                1                    11
Spellcraft            1                    11
Spot                 -1                     9
Swim                  3                    17
Tumble                n/a                  14
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Lord of Blades
Feat: (Selected) Magical Training
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Tactician
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Bladeforged - Power of the Forge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sting of the Ninja (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Shattering Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - A Good Death (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Keen Edge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - One With The Blade (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Deadly Strike (Rank 1)

Sorry bout the late reply, getting back from a little break, just started back again this week. Looks pretty good, but to be honest I was going to rebuild and probably tr Instigator again. Currently Instigator is a BF and I dislike it strongly. That is completely user preference, I dislike robots in my D&D. I don't care how uber it plays it bothers me, once I re plan the build again I'll post a revised version.