Need some help to build a palemaster henshin mystic

[Micki]

Hello. U19 is just out, and I'm planning to TR my lvl 25 cleric/monk within a few weeks. As I picked up Sireth some time ago, I came up with the idea that I'd like to build a quarterstaff monk for her next life. And, I've seen some awesome palemaster monks out there, so what I'd like to do is 2 fighter/ 6 monk/ 12 wizard, henshin mystic quarterstaff melee.

I want wizard levels for self healing and buffs, monk and fighter for melee. I'm not expecting this to be an op end game build, just something to have fun with and see how it goes.

But, as I've never played a pm or a pm monk before, could you advice me a bit on starting stats, at what level to take what class and maybe what feats would be good to have?

Skill points I would put in concentration, balance and UMD, at least.
Feats I'd like are at least thf and cleave, greater cleave.

This would be a 2nd life toon, so 34p build.

Thank you.

[hit_fido]

... what I'd like to do is 2 fighter/ 6 monk/ 12 wizard, henshin mystic quarterstaff melee.

I'd suggest at least considering 2 rogue instead of 2 fighter, because if you're going quarterstaff the first two tiers of thief acrobat give +15% attack speed with quarterstaves (stacking with haste, I hear) and a +25% doublestrike proc attack.

[Micki]

I'd suggest at least considering 2 rogue instead of 2 fighter, because if you're going quarterstaff the first two tiers of thief acrobat give +15% attack speed with quarterstaves (stacking with haste, I hear) and a +25% doublestrike proc attack.

Thank you. That's a good idea. I just need to figure out what feats I need, as taking rogue instead of fighter will lose me 2 feats.

[Deathbrings]

Which undead shroud do you plan on using? With 6 monk you can take a little of the ninja spy for the shadow fade (incorp). Zombie makes you attack slower. Vampire on the other hand now gives neg levels with melee attacks, along with the life gain on hit. I didn't do the figuring to see if there would be the AP for it, but it sounds kinda fun . Let me know as your ideas for the build progress, I might steal it for a life ;P.

[Micki]

Which undead shroud do you plan on using? With 6 monk you can take a little of the ninja spy for the shadow fade (incorp). Zombie makes you attack slower. Vampire on the other hand now gives neg levels with melee attacks, along with the life gain on hit. I didn't do the figuring to see if there would be the AP for it, but it sounds kinda fun . Let me know as your ideas for the build progress, I might steal it for a life ;P.

Seems like vampire may be the best choice, but it is likely I will use zombie until I have the points and levels for vampire. I may also take wraith if I have the points for it, for situational use. I have not looked that closely at the enhancements yet, so if I'm not too lazy, I could test this build out on lama before making it live.

[Daitengu]

Does vampire shroud still give you 4x light damage? That might be of importance in some dungeons.

[Smarte111]

At lvl 12 you can get imp shrouding that lowers the damage to 200% in line with the other shrouds.

[Micki]

I realize I posted this in the wrong forum. Oh, well.

Here's Deadlock's created enhancements pdf: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1XE...I1ZEtaaFk/edit

[Micki]

So, I had a look at my build idea on the character planner and here's the quick draft. Over all I think it looks ok, I may need to rethink some of the feats and their order. What do you guys think? I did not pick a lvl 24 feat, as the planner does not seem to have all the epic feats. I picked diehard, as I couldn't think of anything better at that level, and at the levels when I had more skill points than I needed, I put them a bit randomly. I don't plan to do traps, so I wanted concentration, balance and UMD.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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Keronna 
Level 25 Lawful Neutral Human Female
(6 Monk \ 2 Rogue \ 12 Wizard \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 278
Spell Points: 1102 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 14
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    25
Dexterity            12                    15
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence         12                    15
Wisdom               14                    17
Charisma              8                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               5                    30
Bluff                -1                     5
Concentration         5                    32
Diplomacy            -1                     5
Disable Device        5                    11
Haggle               -1                     5
Heal                  2                     8
Hide                  4                    11
Intimidate           -1                     5
Jump                  7                    23
Listen                2                     8
Move Silently         5                    14
Open Lock             5                    11
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     7
Search                5                    11
Spot                  6                    15
Swim                  3                    12
Tumble                2                    11
Use Magic Device      3                    28

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Deflect Arrows
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Hamstring


Level 19 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Diehard


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 21 (Wizard)
Skill: Bluff (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Swim (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3.08574e+007)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 22 (Wizard)
Skill: Bluff (+1.5)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3.08579e+007)


Level 23 (Wizard)
Skill: Bluff (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3.0858e+007)


Level 24 (Wizard)
Skill: Bluff (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 25 (Wizard)
Skill: Bluff (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+2)

[Deathbrings]

Yeah, you can manage to get Vampire at level 6, where as wraith requires level 12 now. (so that would be more end game for you, and as you said situational). . There is the Improved shrouding which reduces the light damage vamire receives, and a stance that reduces both light and negative energy you receive. That stance of course would be on in battle, and turned off for topping yourself off. All in all so far its looking rather fun.

[Micki]

Ty.

I redid the plan on the planner, here's another version

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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Keronna 
Level 21 Lawful Neutral Human Female
(6 Monk \ 2 Rogue \ 12 Wizard \ 1 Epic) 
Hit Points: 245
Spell Points: 764 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 14
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 21)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            12                    15
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence         12                    15
Wisdom               14                    17
Charisma              8                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 21)
Balance               5                    26
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         5                    28
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        5                     7
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  4                    12
Hide                  1                     3
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  7                    19
Listen                5                     7
Move Silently         1                     3
Open Lock             5                     7
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     3
Search                5                     7
Spot                  6                     8
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                2                     4
Use Magic Device      3                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 3 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Wizard Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Deflect Arrows


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Hamstring
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 19 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 21 (Wizard)
Skill: Bluff (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+1.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Swim (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2.06338e+007)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Epic Skills

[Gavman]

I'm still coming to grips with all the differences that U19 brings, but won't investing in the Spellcraft skill improve your Henshin Mystic capabilities as well as your spells?

Also, why are you taking Wizard levels, is it to get the shroud and self-healing or is it for the spells? If it's just for the shroud, why invest six levels you don't need when you could be getting six levels of Monk. I don't know if the trade off is worth it, it would need some thought.

If it's for the spells. Wiz 11 will give you 6th level spells, while Monk 9 brings Improved evasion. Well worth considering. You give up access to Shroud of the Wraith, but as you were not really planning on using that anyway, it's no real loss.

I only ask because i was also looking at palemaster henshin mystic and came up with exactly the same level split as you, but now i realise that My Monk levels can get me Shadow Veil, which makes the need for Wraith form obsolete (I don't think they stack, but I am asking around to find out).

[Gavman]

Someone has confirmed that these don't stack, so It is a bit of a waste to push for Shroud of Wraith when Vampire Form+Shadow veil does pretty much the same job (and in some ways is better). The only decision is what level spells do you want to stop at: 3rd?, 4th?, 5th? or 6th? That will determine how many levels of wizard you get.

[TeacherSyn]

Let me know how this works out for you, Micki. I don't do multiclassing myself, but I'd love to point pure Henshin Mystics to this thread from the Monk guide for advanced options to boost spell power and diversity.