I think you mean Grazing Hits, not Glancing Blows. Besides which, the point is irrelevant, since you're not going to invest a Feat into 2HF for the sake of a marginal dps boost for a few levels of play. Not when the class is given free 2WF feats. Go ahead and swing the 2 hander in those levels, sure, but don't be investing feats.Originally Posted by AbyssalMage
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03-06-2014, 02:45 AM #121Hatchery Hero
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Originally Posted by Towrn
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03-09-2014, 03:43 AM #122Community Member
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Yeah, I forgot Seeker in my calculations
I noticed that once I started writing my excel sheet. Which I need to finish, too many boxes to keep track of when doing the calculations and I am not sure when Turbine removes decimals from the calculations so choosing to play DDO because it is more entertaining.
As far as ML on weapons, I looked up the shards in game. So that is where I got my numbers.
(Level added to item if item has no level/level if it has one; or however it stated it in game
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Keen +1/+2
Holy +3/+4
Bleed +1/+2
+2 Enh +3/+4
+3 Enh +5/+6
These were the values listed on the device in game so those were the numbers I used.
+2 Holy of Bleed
(+3/+4);(+3/+4);(+1/+2)
+3 Keen of Bleed
(+5/+6); (+1/+2); (+1/+2)
Looking at it, looks like the Enhancement's may be wrong in the description in device?
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03-09-2014, 03:08 PM #123
Weapons, armor and shields got a new ML formula a few updates ago to bring them in line with lootgen ML. The new formula is:
2(X - 1)
Where X is the sum of all the shard enchantment levels. The old formula, which is still used for accessories, is:
2X - 1
The means +2 Holy of Bleed is now:
+2 = 2
Holy = 2
Bleed = 1
X = 2 + 2 + 1 = 5
2(5 - 1) = 2(4) = ML8
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03-10-2014, 10:29 AM #124Community Member
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Originally Posted by EllisDee37
You then factor in Masterfully crafted shard and it becomes ML 6.
Ill screen shot the ones I have tonight and edit this post.
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03-10-2014, 05:13 PM #125
No need, I'm aware how masterful works. (It subtracts 1 from "X".) Originally Posted by Grailhawk
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03-23-2014, 10:12 AM #126Community Member
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Ranger Spells?
I'm at level 6 with this build and liking it so far, but the ranger spells don't work for me. The build says to add resist energy at level 6 and I see healing spells are mentioned in the comments, but with a WIS of 8 how is anyone casting any of the ranger spells. I haven't played a ranger before, but it looks like I would need a WIS of 10 + spell level to cast ranger spells. So I would need a +3 WIS item to use my level one spells? What level is cure serious that I see others talking about and what item would I need to cast that spell. Sorry if I'm missing something.
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03-23-2014, 10:29 AM #127
Generally speaking you'll need to wear a wisdom item. Ranger spells go up to level 4, meaning a +6 item lets you cast all spells.
In the meantime, you can pick up some Owl's Wisdom potions in the marketplace. Those let you slot your spells in a tavern and also cast the spells in quests.
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03-26-2014, 04:07 PM #128Community Member
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I am very interested in trying this drow version, I am also very new to the game. I do however have 32 point builds; I am wondering, what would change in the initial Stat point distribution? Appreciate any help. Originally Posted by Dave0523
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03-26-2014, 05:02 PM #129Build Constructionist
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Drow already count as 32-pt builds, due to their three inherent stat bonuses (DEX/INT/CHA).
Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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03-26-2014, 11:07 PM #130
I'm reviewing my builds at the moment to make adjustments now that the enhancement pass has been in place for a while. For this build I'm thinking there's a couple obvious changes to make:
Sap becomes Dodge
Toughness becomes Mobility
Devotion 20 becomes Forced Escape, Elusive Target or Toughness
Spring Attack would be nice to fit in, but I think Quicken is still probably called for. I might set that feat as player's choice between the two.
With those feat changes you can then take Improved Dodge III in the tempest tree.
Any feedback on these changes is welcome.Last edited by EllisDee37; 03-26-2014 at 11:10 PM.
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03-27-2014, 01:28 AM #131Hatchery Hero
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I just just switched out epic Blinding Speed (since it's buggy) in favor of Dodge, and made some crafted Mobility boots, with an eye to upping my dodge bonus. Went from 9% to 19% after some enhancement changes... It's not huge, but am definately seeing some reduced damage. Takes a bit of getting used to chugging haste pots tho. Originally Posted by EllisDee37
Originally Posted by Towrn
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03-27-2014, 03:09 AM #132
How is Blinding Speed buggy?
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03-27-2014, 12:12 PM #133Hatchery Hero
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As far as I know, it's not adding the +1 to reflex save and dodge%.
Originally Posted by Towrn
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03-28-2014, 04:03 PM #134Community Member
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I don't usually get into any build discussions but I have to ask why you take 18 levels of Ranger?
If you aren't going for the capstone then why take Ranger levels above 12?
Other than a 4th favored enemy what are you gaining for 6 levels of Ranger?
This build makes a lot more sense to me:
The extra Rogue levels give you a ton more skill points, plus you can max Disable, Lock and UMD without penalty. You can also add points to listen, jump, hide, move silent, intimidate... whatever without giving up points for other skills. Investing so many points in Heal, concentration seems wasteful to me. Originally Posted by SiliconShadow
Rogue also gives you evasion at 2, 2% to dodge, uncanny dodge, +2 vs traps, sneak damage...
I can't see how the OP build goes sans Dodge either as that would be a must have for me.
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03-28-2014, 04:24 PM #135Community Member
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15 Ranger gets you CSW, FoM and the 4th FE. At that point 3 levels for 5% Double strike isn't a bad choice. Originally Posted by hp1055cm
CSW is why people go beyond 12 Ranger.
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03-28-2014, 04:26 PM #136Community Member
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Most importantly, he's getting 2 level 4 spells (Freedom of Movement and Cure Serious, most typically) and 5% doublestrike (the "Whirlwind" Tempest core, which requires 18 ranger levels). Originally Posted by hp1055cm
Rogue levels give 2 skill points more than ranger levels. Fighter levels give 4 skill points less than ranger levels. The build you're suggesting loses 6 ranger levels, gains 5 rogue levels, and gains 1 fighter level. So you're looking at a difference of 5 * 2 - 1 * 4, or 6 additional skillpoints. Originally Posted by hp1055cm
I hardly consider 6 total skill points to be a "ton more," especially since this build already gets plenty (especially if tomes were to be considered).
Heal and concentration are absolutely essential. A Ranger is a self healing DPS class. Heal improves positive spellpower, which improves the cure spells. Concentration lets you cast while getting hit. Originally Posted by hp1055cm
So does ranger at 9 -- either way, this build is getting evasion. Originally Posted by hp1055cm
These are useful, but I think the additional spell points, caster level, and spell slots from the ranger levels are more useful. It seems like you're completely disregarding the fact that rangers cast spells. Originally Posted by hp1055cm
Originally Posted by Wizard_Zero
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03-28-2014, 04:33 PM #137Community Member
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Right -- it's really 15 that's the important cutoff, not 18. Originally Posted by Grailhawk
Another build I've thought about is 15/5 ranger/rogue, taking the tier 5 Assassin enhancement Knife Specialization. You lose a feat from fighter, but you make up for that by using daggers instead of khopeshes (which is easy, since Knife Specialization makes daggers basically into khopeshes). You can get quite a bit more sneak attack, and Killer is arguably better for Doublestrike than Tempest's Whirlwind is. The real problem is that the build is incredibly AP starved and you have to make some sacrifices that I find a bit too painful. Plus you lose Evasive Dance, which isn't fun. Originally Posted by Wizard_Zero
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03-29-2014, 12:53 AM #138
Yeah, I'd originally planned to go 15/3/2 ranger/rogue/fighter, but when I sat down to put it together several factors led me to keeping the old-school level split of 18/1/1.
I'm pretty sure we play the game differently. My guess is that you enjoy EE, where concentration does nothing? Everywhere else in the game, concentration is highly effective. Originally Posted by hp1055cm
Heal gives positive spell power for cure spells. Jump is worthless; rangers get the jump spell. Listen is pretty pointless with maxed spot. Move silently would be for a different kind of build; this one isn't stealth.
Both concentration and heal are significantly more helpful than any of the alternatives you listed.
EDIT: You're right about dodge, though. I need to update the build for dodge, but that will entail redoing the enhancements to take the tempest dodge bonus enhancements. I'm currently having too much fun tring my paladin, but as soon as I hit a lull in that life it will be the next update I do to any of my builds.Last edited by EllisDee37; 03-29-2014 at 01:02 AM.
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03-29-2014, 05:06 PM #139Community Member
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Thanks for the explanation. (And to others that replied.) I still prefer the alternate build, but understand the difference better. Originally Posted by Cardtrick
Perhaps but if you are maxing UMD and Disable (and unlock) as a Ranger you are spending 2 skill points for each 1 enhancement increase whereas a Rogue gets them at 1 to 1. Probably at least an 18 point swing there. Originally Posted by Cardtrick
Important? Maybe. But then I hardly ever get interrupted, especially if I kite while healing. As an evasion build I can do most anything in a crowd without getting interrupted often including opening levers, searching for traps, and yes even heal. Use wands, pots in addition to spells and scrolls and carry a devotion stick with a decent boost. I can't believe the small boost to power from the heal skill makes that much difference. If we are talking about the full trip from 1-28 then yes it is helpful; but at the cost of going without something else I hesitate. Originally Posted by Cardtrick
Consider this: you can take 1 level of Druid and spend 4 AP points to get a 75% boost to healing from wands. Is it worth 1 level for that? idk, but certainly debatable.
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03-29-2014, 11:53 PM #140
This is of course based on the premise that you don't want concentration or heal, which would cost the rogue two points each per level. That evens it out. Originally Posted by hp1055cm
I still maintain that your skill recommendations are bad advice. Especially on concentration, where not having it means you have to run away to avoid getting hit before you can cast cure spells, and the strange idea that a ranger should waste skill points on jump.
The something elses you suggest offer virtually nothing. Heal is a real, actual benefit to both your cure spells and cocoon.Use wands, pots in addition to spells and scrolls and carry a devotion stick with a decent boost.
I can't believe the small boost to power from the heal skill makes that much difference. If we are talking about the full trip from 1-28 then yes it is helpful; but at the cost of going without something else I hesitate.
As for the 1 druid splash, sure, but my ranger rarely, if ever, heals with wands or scrolls once he gets cure moderate wounds. And then cure serious makes it even rarer. Getting cocoon turns it into pretty much never.Last edited by EllisDee37; 03-30-2014 at 12:06 AM.
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