So I just redid my main pally on lamma and..

[My2Cents]

[Putting this here because I'd like replies quicker than lamma forums]

For anyone familiar with the new enhancements, did I miss something?

So I just redid my main Pally on lamma as practice to learn what I will do on live this Monday so I am at least not totally clueless. I took most of the sacred defender line except for those requiring a shield, healing amps, greater heroism and some skill boosts & things needed to get there.

It seems I lost unyielding sentinel, gained a few smites, LOH's etc and lost 190 ish max HP.

Ok, so if I want to continue to deal damage with my THF Greataxe is this the best I can do? If I add the shield-required goodies I don't know where I'll find a one hander that does anywhere the same DPS.

Did I miss something obvious?

(At this level I wont miss unyielding sovereignty (that 5 minute heal) but at lower levels that might hurt.)

(Also no point to Follower of the Sovereign Host anymore without it, yes?)

[Fundamental]

[Putting this here because I'd like replies quicker than lamma forums]

For anyone familiar with the new enhancements, did I miss something?

So I just redid my main Pally on lamma as practice to learn what I will do on live this Monday so I am at least not totally clueless. I took most of the sacred defender line except for those requiring a shield, healing amps, greater heroism and some skill boosts & things needed to get there.

It seems I lost unyielding sentinel, gained a few smites, LOH's etc and lost 190 ish max HP.

Ok, so if I want to continue to deal damage with my THF Greataxe is this the best I can do? If I add the shield-required goodies I don't know where I'll find a one hander that does anywhere the same DPS.

Did I miss something obvious?

(At this level I wont miss unyielding sovereignty (that 5 minute heal) but at lower levels that might hurt.)

(Also no point to Follower of the Sovereign Host anymore without it, yes?)

Very nice, you lost 200 hp and gaining nothing :P
Looks like people will be very happy on Monday

[My2Cents]

Very nice, you lost 200 hp and gaining nothing :P
Looks like people will be very happy on Monday

Well, to be fair, I did gain a few extra uses of things I had before, and some PRR, but I may be missing something obvious. I'm hoping someone more experienced than me can give me some helpful feedback, or tell me I really need to live with a shield and make the best of it.

I just feel a little lost with no build advice around yet....

[benicius]

Yeah I'm concerned as well. I won't touch my Paladin for a few days untill after the pass. I plan on playing with the Bladeforged Iconic and some meaningless toons that I don't care about. I'll watch the forums and let the dust settle.

Check some of the lamma threads ... pallys took a bit of a hit in this enhancement pass. As an example, Divine Might is no longer a sacred bonus to damage, it takes your CHA mod and adds it to STR. It doesn't stack with insight bonuses to STR. In my case DM IV goes from +8 down to +4 to damage.

I didn't wind up with that much of a loss of HP's. Not sure where your loss is. My HP dropped some from loss of toughness enchancements - about 20 HP.

Here is some info on Unyielding Sovereignty....

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...Edition/page2?
As previously seen on Lamannia, Clerics and Paladins now choose a deity to worship at level 1 as a feat, similar to Favored Souls. Old religious enhancements for Clerics, Paladins and Favored Souls such as Unyielding Sovereignty are now freely granted at level 6 as feats.

[Krelar]

Unless they make some changes before Monday don't bother with the enhancements that require a shield. Every time you swap weapons you lose hit points (Even if you keep a shield equipped the entire time. It's even possible to kill yourself this way.

[Drwaz99]

Looks like people will be very happy on Monday

While this is a tad OT, if the statistics hold true and that only roughly 5-10% of players use the forums, there are going to be a lot of people who log in and be thoroughly confused as to what the hecks going on. I honestly feel bad for them but it's going to be super entertaining to watch the potential tsunami of hysteria/confusion crash thru server and forums next week. O_O

[blackdae]

Did I miss something obvious?

When I tried my pally in lama I decided to TR her into an acrobat/kensei.. Lost 400 hp and 40 prr..
Then I found Sireth and the rest was a written path

[My2Cents]

Yeah I'm concerned as well. I won't touch my Paladin for a few days untill after the pass. I plan on playing with the Bladeforged Iconic and some meaningless toons that I don't care about. I'll watch the forums and let the dust settle.

Check some of the lamma threads ... pallys took a bit of a hit in this enhancement pass. As an example, Divine Might is no longer a sacred bonus to damage, it takes your CHA mod and adds it to STR. It doesn't stack with insight bonuses to STR. In my case DM IV goes from +8 down to +4 to damage.

I didn't wind up with that much of a loss of HP's. Not sure where your loss is. My HP dropped some from loss of toughness enchancements - about 20 HP.

Here is some info on Unyielding Sovereignty....

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...Edition/page2?
As previously seen on Lamannia, Clerics and Paladins now choose a deity to worship at level 1 as a feat, similar to Favored Souls. Old religious enhancements for Clerics, Paladins and Favored Souls such as Unyielding Sovereignty are now freely granted at level 6 as feats.

Re: Divine Might, yes I've been reading about that, but to be honest I had a bad habit of forgetting to use DM in any but the most urgent cases anyway (I'm not a big button mashing fan) so I figured I'd just live with that.

Re: Unyielding Sovereignty : Yes, I'd seen that, but it doesn't appear on my Pally on Lamma. But now that I think about it, you're right, my pally was copied over and did not "make" level 6 there. I did receive a free feat respec token (for a lesser dragonmark I could now take via human racial enhancement) but I could have sworn Fred did not list Un. Sov. as one of the options.

So come new pass, will we all be -required- to LR to acquire/reacquire "new" feats granted during levelling?

[Qezuzu]

So come new pass, will we all be -required- to LR to acquire/reacquire "new" feats granted during levelling?

Free LRs are being given, at least.

[eonfreon]

Free LRs are being given, at least.

While it is great that they did that, it's kind of a pain that it's needed for such basic things as choosing a deity and other "free" Feats.

Before using a +20 LR to completely remake a character I would have liked to be able to play around with the enhancements and see if I really needed a LR and if major changes were needed to my character I would like to have make an informed decision before doing it.

So this just means I'll wait even longer before I bother returning to playing DDO, because I'll have a hard time even experimenting on my own since I'll be missing "bonus" Feats on my Paladin and he won't play how he "should" even after resetting the enhancements. So I basically have to use the LR even if I don't want to change any classes or skill points.

Oh well. I'll just wait that much longer before I bother to do much in DDO.

[Socio]

OP: I feel your pain. I checked mine out on Lama land *16/2/2/5 Pally/Monk/Fighter/Epic* and was completely lost with that mess. I gained some PRR from the whole thing but other then that dmg was down, Hp was down, Str was down, Divine might nerfed into oblivion =\.

I leveled her up to 28 and tried her out with some enhancements close to whats shes running with but sadly the only thing the lama lvl 28 vs has over my lvl 25 live version is 20 hp and 10 PRR. Live version Deals more damage, has more lay on hands and just functions better.

I have decided though if i can't work around everything and once this shield issues fixed probably grab a Nightmare and a sturdy shield and give that a go.


Socio

[Fundamental]

OP: I feel your pain. I checked mine out on Lama land *16/2/2/5 Pally/Monk/Fighter/Epic* and was completely lost with that mess. I gained some PRR from the whole thing but other then that dmg was down, Hp was down, Str was down, Divine might nerfed into oblivion =\.

I leveled her up to 28 and tried her out with some enhancements close to whats shes running with but sadly the only thing the lama lvl 28 vs has over my lvl 25 live version is 20 hp and 10 PRR. Live version Deals more damage, has more lay on hands and just functions better.

I have decided though if i can't work around everything and once this shield issues fixed probably grab a Nightmare and a sturdy shield and give that a go.


Socio

Can't wait for monday when all the players will rage to see their most precious builds get utterly destroyed.
it's gonna be quite a day monday on the forums I can tell you that lol

[Mindos]

Unless they make some changes before Monday don't bother with the enhancements that require a shield. Every time you swap weapons you lose hit points (Even if you keep a shield equipped the entire time. It's even possible to kill yourself this way.

If you guys could please reproduce and bug report this would be great! thanks

[Socio]

Can't wait for monday when all the players will rage to see their most precious builds get utterly destroyed.
it's gonna be quite a day monday on the forums I can tell you that lol

He isn't destroyed per say, Just pigeonholed into doing what hes not built for and play a stereotype that used to be untrue :'(

Socio

[Fundamental]

He isn't destroyed per say, Just pigeonholed into doing what hes not built for and play a stereotype that used to be untrue :'(

Socio

that sounds very destroyed :P
monday is gonna be a good day for turbine cause 5.000 players are gonna quit instantly abd they will learn the hard way

[FestusHood]

Far as i can tell, the change to divine might will only be really painful to two weapon fighting pallies, and people who were using dm 4 (pure pallies). To replicate the effect of dm 3 on a two handed weapon pally would only take a charisma modifier of plus 8.

Remember, you may be losing the effect of insightful strength on items, but you are gaining every form of charisma bonus from items.

[My2Cents]

To whoever asked above (I couldn't find it), I lost 200+ max HP, all due to Dos III. DoS III came with a +6 boost to CON and +20% max HP among other things. If I want the +20% max HP, it requires using a shield.

I just looked at my EAGA with augments, then checked my stable of one handers.

It isn't even remotely close. Half DPS maybe?

Maybe it'll be time to try a pure Fighter, always wondered what a Human or Dwarf Hack n' Slasher. Is the Iconic Purple Dragon Night a melee? Maybe I'll go there. Just a shame, months and months perfecting my paladin(s).

(I've got midlevel FVS and Wizzie in my stables, but I'm not going to touch 'em till I can do a lot of homework on the new enhancements.

[FestusHood]

To whoever asked above (I couldn't find it), I lost 200+ max HP, all due to Dos III. DoS III came with a +6 boost to CON and +20% max HP among other things. If I want the +20% max HP, it requires using a shield.

I just looked at my EAGA with augments, then checked my stable of one handers.

It isn't even remotely close. Half DPS maybe?

Maybe it'll be time to try a pure Fighter, always wondered what a Human or Dwarf Hack n' Slasher. Is the Iconic Purple Dragon Night a melee? Maybe I'll go there. Just a shame, months and months perfecting my paladin(s).

(I've got midlevel FVS and Wizzie in my stables, but I'm not going to touch 'em till I can do a lot of homework on the new enhancements.

If you can, being as objective as possible, consider this. Do you really think you should get the same advantages from a defensive stance not using a shield that you do using one? Particularly advantages that are directly related to mitigating physical damage, such as prr? That has never made sense to me that you could. And i would be curious to know what such a stance would actually look like. Would it look like the put your head between your knees and kiss your *** goodbye stance?

[oradafu]

Far as i can tell, the change to divine might will only be really painful to two weapon fighting pallies, and people who were using dm 4 (pure pallies). To replicate the effect of dm 3 on a two weapon fighting pally would only take a charisma modifier of plus 8.

Remember, you may be losing the effect of insightful strength on items, but you are gaining every form of charisma bonus from items.

Yeah, because there's such a glutton on melee items that contain CHA and Insightful CHA on them. And good luck getting your CHA up to 42 (or technically 46 since the non-stacking Insight issue) by level 20 to get the amount of damage equal to live from Divine Might IV... You'll probably have a hard time getting CHA that high even at next years new cap.

The new Divine Might pretty much helps two types of paladins, STR based Paladin/Fighter builds and STR based Paladin/Monk builds. It's a net negative for pure paladins or splashes that aren't STR based.

[SilkofDrasnia]

[Putting this here because I'd like replies quicker than lamma forums]

For anyone familiar with the new enhancements, did I miss something?

So I just redid my main Pally on lamma as practice to learn what I will do on live this Monday so I am at least not totally clueless. I took most of the sacred defender line except for those requiring a shield, healing amps, greater heroism and some skill boosts & things needed to get there.

It seems I lost unyielding sentinel, gained a few smites, LOH's etc and lost 190 ish max HP.

Ok, so if I want to continue to deal damage with my THF Greataxe is this the best I can do? If I add the shield-required goodies I don't know where I'll find a one hander that does anywhere the same DPS.

Did I miss something obvious?

(At this level I wont miss unyielding sovereignty (that 5 minute heal) but at lower levels that might hurt.)

(Also no point to Follower of the Sovereign Host anymore without it, yes?)

It's pretty simple really they made it so paladin is just for splashing. Some of us have been complaining about this for awhile now but apparently turbine has many fans that like the changes and we are being told we are just whiners that lack imagination.

I won't even go into what I think about the changes to DM... I have said enough on the subject, either the devs will listen to reason or not.

Personally I feel those complaining are those that know what they are doing when it comes to pallies. YMMV