Quote Originally Posted by svinja View Post
Do you use the same level split as BF? Because there is no way to get Quicken for your reconstruct SLA as far as I can tell with this split.

I have a similar character (BF), but I have 4 paladin (well, right now I have 6 because I am testing stuff, but 4 is looking more likely eventually), which loses the +8 STR from power surge and has to drop 3 feats from your build (1 human, 1 fighter, 1 quicken). Completionist, IC:Ranged, Stunning blow I guess. Or maybe take stunning blow over GTHF...

Power surge can be obtained with 12/4/4 but that is one feat less (loses the monk bonus Zen Archery and the granted Adept of Forms, while gaining only 1 slot).

I am obviously not too happy about that, so I've been thinking about giving up on being centered and going 12/6P/2M or 14/4P/2M. But then I lose 25% incorp, 1 crit multi on 19-20, and the option to twist in +1.5W. This seems even worse. On the upside, it gives the option to get Improved Precise shot (by also losing IC Ranged and Stunning Blow) and IPS is amazing. Although then I would probably end up running in Fury and playing like a monkcher that has no 10kS and waits for Manyshot cooldowns and has 2.5W less weapon damage... I already have a proper monkcher, I don't want another one that is worse

There is also the nuclear option of dropping ranged completely, which fixes most of the problems (still loses either power surge or 25% incorp), but losing ranged is pretty crappy.

Since none of these options are all that attractive, do you (or anyone else) maybe have any better ideas on how to work in Quicken (assuming 2 pally for the saves bonus and evasion are critical and I definitely don't want to lose those).

I know you probably don't consider Quicken necessary because you don't mind jumping away for healing but I really hate having to do that. Although I might have to live with it because all the options of working Quicken in that I can think of require sacrificing a bunch of stuff.
Answering in order:

1. Yes, I remained the same level split as a bladeforged.

2. A 12/4/4 is actually 3 less feats if you want quicken, you mentioned the loss of the monk freebee at 6 and the granted stance, but then an additional feat for quicken itself.

3. Losing center is the worst thing you can do lol

So the problem you have is simply that you want quicken, right?

In order to get quicken I suggest 2 options - Go with the 12/4/4 split and the two feats you give up will then be the ITHF and completionist just to accommodate the split. Then you need to sacrifice a third feat in order to get quicken - that becomes difficult. You can't drop THF, since that is a monk feat. You'd probably have to drop either stunning blow, overwhelming critical, or improved critical ranged - if you drop ranged capability altogether, then your problem simplifies.

The second option is the one I think is much more robust - and it has been an idea tossing around in my head for a while - go 12 fighter / 6 monk / 2 cleric - that way you don't lose the 2 feats from dropping to 4 monk, you can get quicken from cleric by dropping ITHF (or completionist alternative if you aren't one), and you'd save the twist slot too.

The issue I still can't get past with this build is the loss of saves though...but with bladeforged immunities and quickened reconstruct you might be ok anyway.

There isn't any better alternative as far as I can tell