U19 Fighter Build: Cetus

[Takllin]

FVS vs Cleric for a 2 level splash:

Cleric: Wand and scroll mastery, +1 1st level spell

FVS: +3 reflex save, more sp

Yeah but he only has 7 AP invested in the KotC tree, and there 1, maybe 2 AP you can take from other trees so at max, he has 9 AP to spend in the Cleric/FvS tree.

[Nodoze]

FVS vs Cleric for a 2 level splash:

Cleric: Wand and scroll mastery, +1 1st level spell

FVS: +3 reflex save, more sp

I am running a Bladeforged version of this build 12F/6M/2P and really liking it though the Spell Points (SP) are really tight as I don't have a bauble nor a Green Steel Mana/ConOpp item yet.

For my buddy who likes Paladins and armor and doesn't believe in ranged weapons on his Paladins I built a Bladeforged 12F/2P/6Cleric and both of us are really liking it (he is currently level 21). He has more SP to begin with and with a Draining weapon the SP seem to last much more (we use it for Divine Might if his hit points are fine. The addition of Ameliorating Strike helps save mana as well. For him I wanted to make the build all out Melee Greatsword & the 6 Divine levels gives both the Bladeforged Transformation and Righteous Weapons (since Greatsword is the Diety's favored weapon) in addition the Kensei Focus on Greatswords. I shifted the Ranged feats for Adamantine Body and anything that would make his Melee better just to stay with the Greatsword theme. I still think the 12f/6m/2p is better but didn't fit him and both of us are liking the pure Melee max Greatsword theme.

Anyway, I wanted to say thanks for the comments on the Cleric vs FvS splash as FvS would have given more SP and maybe would have been better.

[svinja]

Yeah but he only has 7 AP invested in the KotC tree, and there 1, maybe 2 AP you can take from other trees so at max, he has 9 AP to spend in the Cleric/FvS tree.

What would you take that would need more than 9 AP in cleric or fvs?

- 3 points for Divine Might II
- 4 points for scroll mastery III (cleric) or angelic resistance III (+3 to all saves, fvs)

= 7, 8 if you want DMIII.

[Takllin]

What would you take that would need more than 9 AP in cleric or fvs?

- 3 points for Divine Might II
- 4 points for scroll mastery III (cleric) or angelic resistance III (+3 to all saves, fvs)

= 7, 8 if you want DMIII.

I'm not familiar with the Cleric enhancements so I couldn't tell you how much it costs to get any of those off the top of my head.

My point was that if you do switch to cleric, there isn't a whole lot of AP to spend in those trees. Something to keep in mind if you switch.

[svinja]

I'm not familiar with the Cleric enhancements so I couldn't tell you how much it costs to get any of those off the top of my head.

My point was that if you do switch to cleric, there isn't a whole lot of AP to spend in those trees. Something to keep in mind if you switch.

And my point is that it is the opposite of what you are saying, as you will actually have leftover points compared to just picking up DMII from KotC

There are reasons to take paladin, but AP is simply not one of them

[Cetus]

And my point is that it is the opposite of what you are saying, as you will actually have leftover points compared to just picking up DMII from KotC

There are reasons to take paladin, but AP is simply not one of them

I come out at exactly the same point expenditure - currently i spend 7 AP in paladin for 1d6 damage against evil outsiders or undead and Tier 1 Divine Might

With cleric, I spend 7 ap on DM I, +1 enhancement bonus, and smite weakness.

If I want to grab other stuff like PRR, HP, or whatever - then I start cutting into my abilities from the other trees. Its actually looking kinda nice - After I'm done maxing out my saves via epic past lives, I'll do the fvs variant and see if my saves are still alright when I lose the pally levels.

[svinja]

I come out at exactly the same point expenditure - currently i spend 7 AP in paladin for 1d6 damage against evil outsiders or undead and Tier 1 Divine Might

With cleric, I spend 7 ap on DM I, +1 enhancement bonus, and smite weakness.

If I want to grab other stuff like PRR, HP, or whatever - then I start cutting into my abilities from the other trees. Its actually looking kinda nice - After I'm done maxing out my saves via epic past lives, I'll do the fvs variant and see if my saves are still alright when I lose the pally levels.

I guess we have very different priorities I would never take the enhancement bonus, or have just 1 tier of DM.

I don't have FVS on my fighter currently but I have 2 FVS on my BF monk who also has 7 points to spare. I have settled pretty definitively on DMII and +3 to all saves vs spells. DMI is just terrible for me as I end up forgetting to keep it up, even more so on the fighter because DMII goes so nicely with power surge, so I use DMII even on my fighter with KotC.

The +3 to all saves is also really nice as it gets my monk to +70 all saves with just ship and GH (I don't want to rely on always having the fire finisher, tenser, yugo dex, etc up as I tend to forget them) and might be necessary even with all those buffs on a fighter.

[Cetus]

I guess we have very different priorities I would never take the enhancement bonus, or have just 1 tier of DM.

I don't have FVS on my fighter currently but I have 2 FVS on my BF monk who also has 7 points to spare. I have settled pretty definitively on DMII and +3 to all saves vs spells. DMI is just terrible for me as I end up forgetting to keep it up, even more so on the fighter because DMII goes so nicely with power surge, so I use DMII even on my fighter with KotC.

The +3 to all saves is also really nice as it gets my monk to +70 all saves with just ship and GH (I don't want to rely on always having the fire finisher, tenser, yugo dex, etc up as I tend to forget them) and might be necessary even with all those buffs on a fighter.

Sure, different priorities are fine - but my number 1 priority on this build is DPS. Everything else is second to that.

With my mouse, I perform a rotation of haste boost + power surge + damage boost and I hit divine might along with that. I still end up hitting power surge occasionally, but its cooldown aligns with its duration so I never actually consume the following charge by mistake. Since I DM after my boosts end, I found DMII to be largely wasteful for me because it simply consumes the next charge as a result of its much shorter cooldown versus its tier 2 duration.

With like 23 charges, I've never run out of DMI's yet, so if you can get the rotation down DMII isn't worthwhile imo.

[Slunatic]

...
Nice things:
- More than double SP (with all the SP items, without items the 2 pally obviously has 0 or 80 with magical training - human doesn't need the SP though)
- There are 2 disposable twist slots (the only needed one is dance of flowers) from not needing turn undead and fortification (BF get +50%) - sense weakness, primal scream, +6 to a save or two...
- Greater Weapon Specialization
- Flexible feat choices
- Doesn't rely on divine grace for its saves in case the 2 pally splash gets nerfed
...

as far as i know fvs do NOT get the turn undead feat, or am i mistaken?

[Nodoze]

as far as i know fvs do NOT get the turn undead feat, or am i mistaken?

I think he is talking about Divine Might. Paladins get it from Turns while both Clerics and FvSs get it from spell points so a FvS would not need to spend a twist to get turns to get Divine Might.

[Slunatic]

I think he is talking about Divine Might. Paladins get it from Turns while both Clerics and FvSs get it from spell points so a FvS would not need to spend a twist to get turns to get Divine Might.

Oh, that kinda slipped my mind.

[Nodoze]

Oh, that kinda slipped my mind.

Very easy to forget something with all the options/complexity... I think the near endless combinations is why I have stayed with DDO but sometimes there is almost too much to keep track of...

[Nodoze]

This is my version of BF and how it looks at cap 28

Name: Ctype
Class: Fighter 12/Monk 6/Paladin 2
Race: Bladeforged
Alignment: Lawful Good

...As standing ship buffs and GH only:
HP: 1003 AC: 81 PRR: 83 Dodge: 17%
Saves 70/57/54 Fort: 159%
In Earth stance and Stalwart Defence
...
Main Enhancement Lines:
...
Kensei (33)
1 Kensei Focus Axes
...
Stalwart Defender (11)
Toughness
Overbalance
Stalwart Defense (Stance)
Durable Defense 3/3
Stalwart Defense Mastery 1/3
Resilient Defense 3/3

I thought that Stalwart Defense Stance requires a shield? What is your weapon & gear setup?

[emptysands]

I thought that Stalwart Defense Stance requires a shield? What is your weapon & gear setup?

Not the first tier stance. Just the later "Grand" stance. Can be a pain tho to switch out for primal rage and then back into stance.

[Nodoze]

Not the first tier stance. Just the later "Grand" stance. Can be a pain tho to switch out for primal rage and then back into stance.

Thanks. That makes more sense now. Still interested in the gear setup on BF especially what most people are doing at cap for repair spell power and maybe repair skill &/or maybe repair crit &/or maybe repair amp. I am currently slotting a ML24 repair augment & repair skill augment & haven't replaced the repair amp trinket yet while leveling but may end up not having a red-slot available at cap and contemplating grinding the 'Ring of Master Artifice' though not happy about having to swap out a ring slot and in losing 50 mana when already mana-starved unless I slot 250 elsewhere though it is nice to periodically get a free repair.

I am thinking of switching to TWF and trying dual-Celetias to see if I can get 200% damage with them at cap when paired with a +100%/50% damage build... Will try to do some testing to verify if the +100% damage on dual-Celestias is more overall damage than +50% damage on other weapons on Raid Bosses or hard Red-Nameds.

[Sokól]

Thanks. That makes more sense now. Still interested in the gear setup on BF especially what most people are doing at cap for repair spell power and maybe repair skill &/or maybe repair crit &/or maybe repair amp. I am currently slotting a ML24 repair augment & repair skill augment & haven't replaced the repair amp trinket yet while leveling but may end up not having a red-slot available at cap and contemplating grinding the 'Ring of Master Artifice' though not happy about having to swap out a ring slot and in losing 50 mana when already mana-starved unless I slot 250 elsewhere though it is nice to periodically get a free repair.

On my BF ranger I use these http://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Halcyon_Boots just a -10 from the ring iirc.

For trinket I would use planar or litany!

[Zarquine]

I have a head cold and can't think straight at the moment (as if I ever could).

I am trying to use this build (without Completionist) and I need help with the class and feat order please.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Thanks. That makes more sense now. Still interested in the gear setup on BF especially what most people are doing at cap for repair spell power and maybe repair skill &/or maybe repair crit &/or maybe repair amp. I am currently slotting a ML24 repair augment & repair skill augment & haven't replaced the repair amp trinket yet while leveling but may end up not having a red-slot available at cap and contemplating grinding the 'Ring of Master Artifice' though not happy about having to swap out a ring slot and in losing 50 mana when already mana-starved unless I slot 250 elsewhere though it is nice to periodically get a free repair.

I am thinking of switching to TWF and trying dual-Celetias to see if I can get 200% damage with them at cap when paired with a +100%/50% damage build... Will try to do some testing to verify if the +100% damage on dual-Celestias is more overall damage than +50% damage on other weapons on Raid Bosses or hard Red-Nameds.

Well, Cetuss's updated bladeforged version was posted over here.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...forged-Fighter

[Osharan_Tregarth]

I have a head cold and can't think straight at the moment (as if I ever could).

I am trying to use this build (without Completionist) and I need help with the class and feat order please.

My understanding is that the thread starter is on an involuntary break from the forums. If I get a chance I'll try and flesh something out for you, but it's not likely to happen in the next day or three.

[Zarquine]

My understanding is that the thread starter is on an involuntary break from the forums. If I get a chance I'll try and flesh something out for you, but it's not likely to happen in the next day or three.

That would be very nice of you.

Here's what I have so far, but so far classes and feats are all over the place:

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My Cetus-Build
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 6 Monk) 
Hit Points: 318
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 25
Reflex: 21
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    28
Dexterity            14                    18
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence          8                    11
Wisdom               11                    14
Charisma             15                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    24
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                  0                     2
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate            2                     4
Jump                  3                    11
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently         2                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spellcraft           -1                     0
Spot                  0                     2
Swim                  3                     9
Tumble                6                    12
Use Magic Device      4                    15

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Bow Strength


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Paladin)
Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Silver Flame


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Manyshot
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Monk)


Level 20 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
Enhancement: Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Human Adaptability: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Strength (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Charisma (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Human - Action Surge: Constitution (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Tactics (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Shattering Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Keen Edge (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - One With The Blade (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Deadly Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sting of the Ninja (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead I (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)