U19 Fighter Build: Cetus

[Skillless]

Hey Cetus,
I've been following this build since you posted it, but had to do a couple of arcane lives. I've missed my cleaves and great cleaves, so have you decided Bladeforged is better, or stick with human/purple dragon knight? Thanks.

[Cetus]

Hey Cetus,
I've been following this build since you posted it, but had to do a couple of arcane lives. I've missed my cleaves and great cleaves, so have you decided Bladeforged is better, or stick with human/purple dragon knight? Thanks.

Bladeforged without a doubt

[Drwaz99]

Bladeforged without a doubt

Now get off you rear and post the updated build. I am so sick of people in-game asking me if you around as they have BF build questions! I'm gonna start telling them is sucks and not do it.

Do it! NAO!

[Skillless]

Thanks for the response. Will be a nice change to do an iconic life after all the heroic ones. I do agree with Drwaz99, show us what you learned!

[Donnavhain]

Is there any way I could turn this into a Twf variant using the same split? I love the build Ive just always had a love for twf. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the great build Cetus. Keep it up you give hope to all the old pure fighters out there!

[Irongutz2000]

Is there any way I could turn this into a Twf variant using the same split? I love the build Ive just always had a love for twf. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the great build Cetus. Keep it up you give hope to all the old pure fighters out there!

Ya try taking the twfing feats instead of the thfing feats

[Irongutz2000]

Thanks for the response. Will be a nice change to do an iconic life after all the heroic ones. I do agree with Drwaz99, show us what you learned!

U have 1 less feat , 2 if u take quicken. I would drop zen archery and call it win. I slotted recon onn my sos

[Drwaz99]

U have 1 less feat , 2 if u take quicken. I would drop zen archery and call it win. I slotted recon onn my sos

I on the other hand really like Zen Archery to stay in Earth stance w/ a Pinion. I Dropped one of the THF feats. Little less DPS running around, nice boost to ranged spike DPS.

Both ways work just fine, Different play styles.

[svinja]

It'll require some DPS sacrifice, but you can do this:

12 Master Earth Stance
24 PRR Ring (this will screw up your tactics situation if you wear dun robar/consuming darkness, or your SA if you had avithoul ring on..etc)
15 Set bonus with, say sireth or cleaver
10 Epic feat (drop completionist, ranged feat, or stunning blow if you are screwing over tactics with the prr ring)
15 Twist (Lose either brace for impact or dance of flowers, losing dance of flowers is a terrible idea in my mind because I'm a DPS guy)
15 Shintao Enhancement (this will cut into your str/tactic from kensei, ninja spy poison, and probably the third tier human con boost/healing amp tier)


91 Static PRR and still killer saves

If you REALLY wanted to...you can hit up the defender line:

15 PRR from stance and +3 saves

106 PRR

I'm not sure what you mean, but you need 6 levels of paladin to be able to get Sacred Defense. You can get enhancements boosting it with less levels, but you can't get the ability itself.

[Cetus]

I'm not sure what you mean, but you need 6 levels of paladin to be able to get Sacred Defense. You can get enhancements boosting it with less levels, but you can't get the ability itself.

Pally isn't the only class in the split that provides a defense stance.

Hint: Stalwart

[Cetus]

Is there any way I could turn this into a Twf variant using the same split? I love the build Ive just always had a love for twf. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the great build Cetus. Keep it up you give hope to all the old pure fighters out there!

On the bladeforged version (argh, I know - need to post it) you turn THF and ITHF into twf and ITWF and replace the completionist feat with GTWF. There's nothing else to drop except that feat, unless you feel like hopping in and out of stance each time you wanna use your bow by scrapping zen archery - which is a pain in the ass.

[Crann]

Ya try taking the twfing feats instead of the thfing feats

You are going to have to move the TWF feats to the end unless you are going to adjust your starting stats to let you get a 17 dex sooner. Not having the full set of TWF feats seems like alot less DPS than not having the full set of THF feats to me.

[svinja]

Pally isn't the only class in the split that provides a defense stance.

Hint: Stalwart

Ah, sorry, I didn't even check because I recognized the +15PRR/+3 saves as sacred defense enhancements. Turns out stalwart defense enhancements are exactly the same.

[Irongutz2000]

You are going to have to move the TWF feats to the end unless you are going to adjust your starting stats to let you get a 17 dex sooner. Not having the full set of TWF feats seems like alot less DPS than not having the full set of THF feats to me.

13 dex +4 tome drop str by 2= win, ppl make this way to complicated

[TheLegendOfAra]

I'm gonna start telling them is sucks and not do it.

It's a Fighter, so that's a given.

[Cetus]

It's a Fighter, so that's a given.

You should start talking dirty again

[TheLegendOfAra]

You should start talking dirty again

You're right, where are my manners? Forgive me...

Fighters not only suck, but they blow.

Tell me, is the truth hard to swallow?

[Tilomere]

You are going to have to move the TWF feats to the end unless you are going to adjust your starting stats to let you get a 17 dex sooner. Not having the full set of TWF feats seems like alot less DPS than not having the full set of THF feats to me.

Bladeforged Build -I haven't figured out the level/feat order yet but this is what I was looking at:
BF Levels 4 Pali, 4 Monk, 12 Fighter

Feats (19 total) Quicken, Stunning Blow, PA (monk), 3xTWF (monk), 2xWF:B, 2xWS:B, Cleave, GC, OC, Epic DR, IC:B, Magical Training, 2x Improved Stances, EmpH

ED Feats: ED Tactician, ED PTWF

Enhancements:
Kensai; One with the Mornh, Stuffs 33
Bladeforged: Scribing Tactics, Forge, Imp PA 24
Shintao Deft Strikes, Imp. Earth Stance, 13
KoTC Divine Power, Action boosts 10

ED LD with Dance of Flowers, Primal Shout or Cocoon, Sense Weakness

Weapon of Choice: Mornh(Red Slot Reconstruct), 1H Blunt of Draining (Red Slot: Devotion)

DC stunning blow math:

10 base
10 Weapon (Mornh)
5 Exceptional Combat Mastery (challenge belt or Dun'Robar Ring)
27+ Strength
6 LD Legend. Tactics
2 ED Feat Tactician
2 Fearsome Presence (BF)
3 Tactics Enh. (Fighter)
3 WF Tactics Enh. (BF)
+ Fighter Past Life
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68+

Strength Breakdown (no ship or pots)
16 base
7 leveling
4 tome (what I have now)
13+ items
5 primal shout (May have Cocoon instead)
10+ Divine Might
1 Kensai
8 Psionic Kensai Power Surge
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64+ +27 or higher modifier


Starting Stats After Racial Mods (+2 Con, -2 Dex)
Str 16 + all level ups
Dex 14 (Will need 17 after tomes)
Con 16
Int 10
Wis 8
Chr 15

Skills: Balance (Monk Levels), Repair (Fighter Levels), UMD, Spot, 1s in rest, some concentration.


Can level with handwraps/staves and switch to Mornh/RNG using blunt feats.

Will end up with solid saves/evasion. Will also end up with solid PRR from planar conflux +15, Imp. Earth Stance 27, Epic DR 10, and either a gaurdian ring or PRR augment.

I want free reconstructs with draining/align the heavens/magical training regen, but I am unwilling to use a RNG 2H or even 1H main hand draining weapon to get them. So switched build to TWF, for offhand draining procs, to keep use of planar conflux and Mornh. I don't like twisting turn undead charges, and wanted quicken/EmpH, so went to 4 Pali.

[Cetus]

Bladeforged Build -I haven't figured out the level/feat order yet but this is what I was looking at:
BF Levels 4 Pali, 4 Monk, 12 Fighter

Feats (19 total) Quicken, Stunning Blow, PA (monk), 3xTWF (monk), 2xWF:B, 2xWS:B, Cleave, GC, OC, Epic DR, IC:B, Magical Training, 2x Improved Stances, EmpH

ED Feats: ED Tactician, ED PTWF

Enhancements:
Kensai; One with the Mornh, Stuffs 33
Bladeforged: Scribing Tactics, Forge, Imp PA 24
Shintao Deft Strikes, Imp. Earth Stance, 13
KoTC Divine Power, Action boosts 10

ED LD with Dance of Flowers, Primal Shout or Cocoon, Sense Weakness

Weapon of Choice: Mornh(Red Slot Reconstruct), 1H Blunt of Draining (Red Slot: Devotion)

DC stunning blow math:

10 base
10 Weapon (Mornh)
5 Exceptional Combat Mastery (challenge belt or Dun'Robar Ring)
27+ Strength
6 LD Legend. Tactics
2 ED Feat Tactician
2 Fearsome Presence (BF)
3 Tactics Enh. (Fighter)
3 WF Tactics Enh. (BF)
+ Fighter Past Life
------------------
68+

Strength Breakdown (no ship or pots)
16 base
7 leveling
4 tome (what I have now)
13+ items
5 primal shout (May have Cocoon instead)
10+ Divine Might
1 Kensai
8 Psionic Kensai Power Surge
------------------
64+ +27 or higher modifier


Starting Stats After Racial Mods (+2 Con, -2 Dex)
Str 16 + all level ups
Dex 14 (Will need 17 after tomes)
Con 16
Int 10
Wis 8
Chr 15

Skills: Balance (Monk Levels), Repair (Fighter Levels), UMD, Spot, 1s in rest, some concentration.


Can level with handwraps/staves and switch to Mornh/RNG using blunt feats.

Will end up with solid saves/evasion. Will also end up with solid PRR from planar conflux +15, Imp. Earth Stance 27, Epic DR 10, and either a gaurdian ring or PRR augment.

I want free reconstructs with draining/align the heavens/magical training regen, but I am unwilling to use a RNG 2H or even 1H main hand draining weapon to get them. So switched build to TWF, for offhand draining procs, to keep use of planar conflux and Mornh. I don't like twisting turn undead charges, and wanted quicken/EmpH, so went to 4 Pali.

I don't like that build - On my split a bauble is all I need to never really run into pots throughout a quest - but just carry a stack of pots with you just in case, its not worth changing the entire build over an occasional pot here or there.

You lose shadow fade from monk, you lose the free stance you get at 6, you lose the free feat you get at 6. You also sacrifice 2 feats for quicken and empower heal just to save a twist slot (which by the way, can be saved for certain quests where you don't plan to shrine). Simply isn't worth it, shadow fade is better defense and quicken doesn't really help much when the recon can't be interrupted anyway - the casting speed isn't a big deal.

Why in the world do you want cocoon when you can recon? Yet you don't like to twist divine might charges? I also don't get the starting stat distribution and why in the world you wouldn't max str.

[Rophez]

I don't like that build - On my split a bauble is all I need to never really run into pots throughout a quest - but just carry a stack of pots with you just in case, its not worth changing the entire build over an occasional pot here or there.

You lose shadow fade from monk, you lose the free stance you get at 6, you lose the free feat you get at 6. You also sacrifice 2 feats for quicken and empower heal just to save a twist slot (which by the way, can be saved for certain quests where you don't plan to shrine). Simply isn't worth it, shadow fade is better defense and quicken doesn't really help much when the recon can't be interrupted anyway - the casting speed isn't a big deal.

Why in the world do you want cocoon when you can recon? Yet you don't like to twist divine might charges? I also don't get the starting stat distribution and why in the world you wouldn't max str.

So, ummm Cetus, how about you post your build!? <nudge nudge>

Serious question: I've played a juggernaut build, and I've built a bladeforged 12/6/2 with similar feats to your suggested build for human, and frankly, I'm sick of having to use a bow. Like, my ideal character in any RPG is a melee beast. I feel dirty every time I pop out my bow for manyshot. I'm pretty close to putting my Pinion in the bank and speccing out of my 7 or so bow feats to further improve my melee damage/survivability. I KNOW I won't be comparable to the top few % of players that are firmly on the manyshot bandwagon, but it will be more fun for me.

That said, if you were going to build something similar, without worrying about bow, what do you think you'd change feat wise?