U19 Fighter Build: Cetus

[IBCrabin]

I am thinking of making a twf instead of thf, does anyone here know if Pulverizer+Keen Edge and improved critical blunt stack making Morhn 13-20 x3? I know puverizer doesn't with Rogue Acrobat staff enhancement but not sure on figher.

Nevermind: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...tical-profiles!

Keen Edge and Pulverizer didn't stack in U19.

[TheLegendOfAra]

Hey Setussssss,
I was wondering, since I'll never get an ESOS what other TH weapon would you recommend for this build?
I'm assuming either EE Skybreaker, or fully upgraded Cleaver?

I'm not sure if your exact set-up would work as well with either of those...
I know I'd lose DPS and I believe It'd be mostly from lower crit range/multiplier, but I'm not entirely sure; to lazy to wiki the crit ranges on the weapons, and can't remember them off the top of my head. Lol

In the case that I don't have an ESOS, is it worth even following your build? Or should I simply build my own instead?
I've got some idea's tumbling around in my head, but I'm not to certain about any of them just yet.

I really just want to figure out what I want to do before I TR again. You've seen how long it takes me to cap a life. I would hate to spend all that time on a build that I wouldn't like, or wouldn't work in the end. lol

[karl_k0ch]

I am wondering about the WF:Ranged feat choice. Is it a prereq for one of the enhancements?

[Viggy]

I am wondering about the WF:Ranged feat choice. Is it a prereq for one of the enhancements?

Its a pre-reg for one of the other feats, Bow Strength if I remember correctly.

@TheLegendOfAra - I did this build with a EE Great Axe of the Chained Soldier for awhile before I got my ESOS and it worked fine, my dps was fine with it, this build could really work with pretty much any slashing weapon, it just favors ESOS because of the crit range of ESOS.

[lyrecono]

this axe might help if you have one

epic whirlwind is nice for the low levels (20-25), if you have the materials already.

hand of the stormreaver works nice too

[Ctype]

Here is some input if you like a Bladeforged version of the build. Its adjusted to my playstyle and taste but could serve as inspiration if you like:

Name: Ctype
Class: Fighter 12/Monk 6/Paladin 2
Race: Bladeforged
Alignment: Lawful Good

Str 52 base +18/17 from boosts (18 base, 10 item, +1 exe, +3 ins, +5 tome 2 ship, 2 compl, 7 level ups, 2 destiny, 2 Kensei, +8 insight with surge, +11from pally, 4 Tensers -3 ins since no stacking)
Dex 30 (12 base, 8 item, +1 exe, Insightsful +2, +5 tome, 2ship, 2 compl, -2 Earth Stance)
Con 44 (16 base, 10 item, +1 exe, 3 ins, +5 tome, +2 epic, 2 ship, 2 compl, 3 Earth Stance)
Int 18 (8 base+5 tome, +1 exe, 2 ship, 2 compl)
Wis 28 (8base, +8 item, +2 ins, +1 exe, +5 tome, 2 ship, 2 compl)
Cha 32 (14 base, +8 item, +5 tome, +1 exe 2 ship, 2 compl)

Centered with Great Axe, Longbow, Quarterstaff, Handwraps. Built for Cleaver Axe.

Skill Points:
UMD, Concentration, Balance, Repair

Feats:
1 P1 Normal Feat: Point Blank Shot Follower of the Lord of Blades
2 M1 Monk Bonus: Power Attack
3 F1 Normal Feat: Completionist Bonus Feat: Weapon Focus Slashing
4 F2 Fighter Bonus: Weapon Focus Ranged
5M2 Bonus Feat: Two Handed Fighting
6 F3 Normal Feat: Rapid Shot
7 F4 Fighter Bonus Feat: Weapon Spec Slashing
8 F5
9 F6 Normal Feat: Improved Two Handed Fighting Fighter Bonus Feat: Bow Strength
10 F7
11 M3 Light Path
12 M4 Normal Feat: Improved Critical Slashing
13 M5
14 P2
15 F8 Normal Feat: Greater Two Handed Fighting Fighter Bonus: Cleave
16 F9
17 F10 Fighter Bonus: Greater Weapon Focus Slashing
18 F11 Normal Feat Great Cleave
19 F12 Fighter Bonus: Manyshot
20 M6 Monk Bonus Feat Zen Archery
21 Epic Feat: Master of Forms
24 Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
26 ED Feat: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
28ED Feat: Holy Strike

Legendary Dreadnought
Extra Action Boost 3/3, 2str, Momentum Swing 2/3 (Active), Improved Power Attack 1/1, Lay Waste 1/1 (Active), Critical Damage 2/3, Advancing Blows 1/1, Devastating Critical 1/1, Headmans Chop, Masters Blitz 1/1 (Active)
or
Fury of the Wild
Primal Scream 2 (Active), Fast Healing 2/3,4 str, Acute Instincts 3, Sense Weakness 3, Gird Against Demons 1, Fury Eternal, Unbridled Fury (active).

Twists
1. Standing with stone (Energy Sheath in FoT)
2. Dance with Flowers
3. Undeath Bane

Main Enhancement Lines:
Bladeforged (14)
1 Improved Fortification
6 Healers Friend
1 Inscribed Armor (Filler)
6 Communion of Scribing 3/3

Kensei (33)
Base Row
1 Kensei Focus Axes
1Spiritual Bond
1 Strike with no thought
1 Power Surge
First Row
6 Extra Action Boost 3/3
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
3 Haste Boost 3/3
Second Row
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
2 Weapon Meditation 1/3
Third Row
1 Critical Accuracy
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
1 Shattering Strike 1/3
2 Str
Fourth Row
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
2 Str
Fifth Row
1 Keen Edge
1 Deadly Strike 1/1
1 One with the blade 1/1

Shintao (13)
1 Bastion of Purity 1/1
4 Deft Strikes 2/3
1 Protection from Tainted Creatures
6 Iron Skin 3/3
1 Iron Hand

Ninja Spy (11)
1 Ninja Training I
3 Acrobatic 3/3
1 Ninja Training II
2 Sneak Attack Training 1
1 Agility 1/3
1 Shadow Veil
2 Fists of Iron

Knight of the Chalice (9)
1 First Core
3 Extra turning 3
1 Remove Disease (dump point)
4 Divine Might 2

Gear (in bold I have)
Weapon sets
1 Cleaver
2 Pinion
3 Tripple pos Qstaff
4 Smiting Greataxe
5 Banishing GA?
6 Greater Evil Outsider Bane Great Axe crafted if i get a silver base
7 Greater Dragon Bane Great Axe Crafted
8 Greater Dragon Bane Bow Crafted
9 Great Axe of the Chained Soldier?
10 Anarchic Great Axe

Head: White Dragon Helm EH with +3 ins Str, Green slot with FF Colorless True Imperial Blood +1 exe all stats

Neck: Jorgundals Collar EH Melee Alacrity 14%, Striding +30%, Yellow Augment Slot with Deathblock, Colorless Augment Slot with +8 Dexterity
Silver Flame Trinket Deathblock and 10 charges
Draconic Necklace GH Clickie
Nyokos Necklace Invis Clickiex3

Goggles: Greensteel with 45hp, blur and displace clickie
Deathward goggles from Tangelrootx3
Undersun Goggles

Trinket:+3 Con Prowess (15PRR)
Crafted Trinket +10 poison, 33% electric abs

Armor: Flawless White Dragonscale Docent +7 Enhancement Bonus Draconic Resilience Heavy Fortification Protection +7 Shield +6 Superior Cold Resistance Blue Augment Slot with PRR 16

Cloak: Deadly Cloak X of Resistance 9
Jewel Cloak for absorbs

Belt: Spare hand Riposte, Exeptional Combat Mastery +5, Staggering Blow, Disable Device +15, UMD +3, Doublestrike 3%, Colorless slot with +2 Wisdom, Blue Slot +2 Good Luck
Morahs Belt with Jump clickie

Bracers: Ogre Power +10 Seeker +9

Gloves: Health +10 50hp

Ring 1: Sages Ring Wisdom +8, Charisma +8, Potency 92, Yellow slot +250sp

Ring 2: Seal of House Dun Robar +10 Stunning Blow, Dodge 8%, str +7
Get better dodge ring with something else since no stunning blow anyway

Boots: Epic Firestorm Greaves Greater Fire Resistance, Fire Absorption 33%, Yellow Slot with Draconic Soul Gem (30 res in fire, cold, acid andelectric), Colorless slot with +2 ins Dex
Anchor Boots

[Cetus]

Here is some input if you like a Bladeforged version of the build. Its adjusted to my playstyle and taste but could serve as inspiration if you like:

Name: Ctype
Class: Fighter 12/Monk 6/Paladin 2
Race: Bladeforged
Alignment: Lawful Good

Str 52 base +18/17 from boosts (18 base, 10 item, +1 exe, +3 ins, +5 tome 2 ship, 2 compl, 7 level ups, 2 destiny, 2 Kensei, +8 insight with surge, +11from pally, 4 Tensers -3 ins since no stacking)
Dex 30 (12 base, 8 item, +1 exe, Insightsful +2, +5 tome, 2ship, 2 compl, -2 Earth Stance)
Con 44 (16 base, 10 item, +1 exe, 3 ins, +5 tome, +2 epic, 2 ship, 2 compl, 3 Earth Stance)
Int 18 (8 base+5 tome, +1 exe, 2 ship, 2 compl)
Wis 28 (8base, +8 item, +2 ins, +1 exe, +5 tome, 2 ship, 2 compl)
Cha 32 (14 base, +8 item, +5 tome, +1 exe 2 ship, 2 compl) This should be quite a bit higher

Centered with Great Axe ESOS is much better dps, Longbow, Quarterstaff, Handwraps. Built for Cleaver Axe.

Skill Points:
UMD, Concentration, Balance, Repair

Feats:
1 P1 Normal Feat: Point Blank Shot Follower of the Lord of Blades
2 M1 Monk Bonus: Power Attack
3 F1 Normal Feat: Completionist Bonus Feat: Weapon Focus Slashing
4 F2 Fighter Bonus: Weapon Focus Ranged
5M2 Bonus Feat: Two Handed Fighting
6 F3 Normal Feat: Rapid Shot
7 F4 Fighter Bonus Feat: Weapon Spec Slashing
8 F5
9 F6 Normal Feat: Improved Two Handed Fighting Fighter Bonus Feat: Bow Strength
10 F7
11 M3 Light Path
12 M4 Normal Feat: Improved Critical Slashing
13 M5
14 P2
15 F8 Normal Feat: Greater Two Handed Fighting Fighter Bonus: Cleave
16 F9
17 F10 Fighter Bonus: Greater Weapon Focus Slashing
18 F11 Normal Feat Great Cleave
19 F12 Fighter Bonus: Manyshot
20 M6 Monk Bonus Feat Zen Archery
21 Epic Feat: Master of Forms
24 Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
26 ED Feat: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
28ED Feat: Holy Strike

Many problems here, no stunning blow on a build designed to have EE worthy DC's, you drop 5% doublestrike as an epic feat, no improved critical ranged

Legendary Dreadnought
Extra Action Boost 3/3, 2str, Momentum Swing 2/3 (Active), Improved Power Attack 1/1, Lay Waste 1/1 (Active), Critical Damage 2/3, Advancing Blows 1/1, Devastating Critical 1/1, Headmans Chop, Masters Blitz 1/1 (Active)
or
Fury of the Wild
Primal Scream 2 (Active), Fast Healing 2/3,4 str, Acute Instincts 3, Sense Weakness 3, Gird Against Demons 1, Fury Eternal, Unbridled Fury (active).
Momentum swing 2 is a rather large dps loss, lack of damage boost as a backup boost hurts you when you run out of primary boost between manyshot and meleeing. iThe dreadnaught damage boost for manyshots is a useful partition.
Twists
1. Standing with stone (Energy Sheath in FoT)
2. Dance with Flowers
3. Undeath Bane

Main Enhancement Lines:
Bladeforged (14)
1 Improved Fortification
6 Healers Friend
1 Inscribed Armor (Filler)
6 Communion of Scribing 3/3
You are completely ignoring the most powerful ability in the warforged tree next to reconstruct - power of the forge. Shaken is also very nice, and the tactics are super cheap.

Kensei (33)
Base Row
1 Kensei Focus Axes
1Spiritual Bond
1 Strike with no thought
1 Power Surge
First Row
6 Extra Action Boost 3/3
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
3 Haste Boost 3/3
Second Row
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
2 Weapon Meditation 1/3
Third Row
1 Critical Accuracy
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
1 Shattering Strike 1/3
2 Str
Fourth Row
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
2 Str
Fifth Row
1 Keen Edge
1 Deadly Strike 1/1
1 One with the blade 1/1

Shintao (13)
1 Bastion of Purity 1/1
4 Deft Strikes 2/3
1 Protection from Tainted Creatures
6 Iron Skin 3/3
1 Iron Hand

Ninja Spy (11)
1 Ninja Training I
3 Acrobatic 3/3
1 Ninja Training II
2 Sneak Attack Training 1
1 Agility 1/3
1 Shadow Veil
2 Fists of Iron

Missing ninja poison, very good free damage dot

Knight of the Chalice (9)
1 First Core
3 Extra turning 3
1 Remove Disease (dump point)
4 Divine Might 2

Gear (in bold I have)
Weapon sets
1 Cleaver
2 Pinion
3 Tripple pos Qstaff
4 Smiting Greataxe
5 Banishing GA?
6 Greater Evil Outsider Bane Great Axe crafted if i get a silver base
7 Greater Dragon Bane Great Axe Crafted
8 Greater Dragon Bane Bow Crafted
9 Great Axe of the Chained Soldier?
10 Anarchic Great Axe

Head: White Dragon Helm EH with +3 ins Str, Green slot with FF Colorless True Imperial Blood +1 exe all stats

Neck: Jorgundals Collar EH Melee Alacrity 14%, Striding +30%, Yellow Augment Slot with Deathblock, Colorless Augment Slot with +8 Dexterity
Silver Flame Trinket Deathblock and 10 charges
Draconic Necklace GH Clickie
Nyokos Necklace Invis Clickiex3

Goggles: Greensteel with 45hp, blur and displace clickie
Deathward goggles from Tangelrootx3
Undersun Goggles

Trinket:+3 Con Prowess (15PRR)
Crafted Trinket +10 poison, 33% electric abs

Armor: Flawless White Dragonscale Docent White? Whats the point... +7 Enhancement Bonus Draconic Resilience Heavy Fortification Protection +7 Shield +6 Superior Cold Resistance Blue Augment Slot with PRR 16

Cloak: Deadly Cloak X of Resistance 9
Jewel Cloak for absorbs

Belt: Spare hand Riposte, Exeptional Combat Mastery +5, Staggering Blow, Disable Device +15, UMD +3, Doublestrike 3%, Colorless slot with +2 Wisdom, Blue Slot +2 Good Luck
Morahs Belt with Jump clickie

Bracers: Ogre Power +10 Seeker +9

Gloves: Health +10 50hp

Ring 1: Sages Ring Wisdom +8, Charisma +8, Potency 92, Yellow slot +250sp

Ring 2: Seal of House Dun Robar +10 Stunning Blow, Dodge 8%, str +7
Get better dodge ring with something else since no stunning blow anyway

Boots: Epic Firestorm Greaves Greater Fire Resistance, Fire Absorption 33%, Yellow Slot with Draconic Soul Gem (30 res in fire, cold, acid andelectric), Colorless slot with +2 ins Dex
Anchor Boots

A few comments, the build you outlined is very much modified, and sacrifices a lot of dps and tactics.

I will be posting a detailed breakdown and comparison of the bladeforged version. I've been playing it very much, did some reincarnating, etc, so haven't had the time to update this.

Stay tuned - its a beast.

[Ctype]

A few comments, the build you outlined is very much modified, and sacrifices a lot of dps and tactics.

I will be posting a detailed breakdown and comparison of the bladeforged version. I've been playing it very much, did some reincarnating, etc, so haven't had the time to update this.

Stay tuned - its a beast.

Thanks for the input - looking forward to see what you have done. I havent played Bladeforged at all before - so its a try atm. This is a build to replace my old nerfed build with double nightmares.
Equipment is basically what i hade before and still will fit - might change that later ofc. I will change if i get hold of a +3 str black helm - to black armor and ofc if i eventually pull shard for SOS i will change from axe to SOS. But for now its axes.

About the feats - i really wanted to have imp crit ranged and stunning blow - i guess its imp thf and greater thf that have to go? Its tight with the feats for sure. Also i guess Perfect twf could be en epic option.

[Ctype]

Here is a new try with changes to stats, feats and enhancements...

Name: Ctype
Class: Fighter 12/Monk 6/Paladin 2
Race: Bladeforged
Alignment: Lawful Good

Str 18
Dex 12
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 6
Cha 16

Centered with Great Axe, Longbow, Quarterstaff, Handwraps. Built for Cleaver Axe.

Skill Points:
UMD, Concentration, Balance, Repair

Feats: (changes in bold)
1 P1 Normal Feat: Point Blank Shot Follower of the Lord of Blades
2 M1 Monk Bonus: Power Attack
3 F1 Normal Feat: Completionist Bonus Feat: Weapon Focus Slashing
4 F2 Fighter Bonus: Weapon Focus Ranged
5M2 Bonus Feat: Dodge
6 F3 Normal Feat: Rapid Shot
7 F4 Fighter Bonus Feat: Weapon Spec Slashing
8 F5
9 F6 Normal Feat: Stunning Blow Fighter Bonus Feat: Bow Strength
10 F7
11 M3 Light Path
12 M4 Normal Feat: Improved Critical Slashing
13 M5
14 P2
15 F8 Normal Feat: Improved Critical Ranged Fighter Bonus: Cleave
16 F9
17 F10 Fighter Bonus: Greater Weapon Focus Slashing
18 F11 Normal Feat Great Cleave
19 F12 Fighter Bonus: Manyshot
20 M6 Monk Bonus Feat Zen Archery
21 Epic Feat: Master of Forms
24 Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
26 ED Feat: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
28ED Feat: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics 3/3, Extra Action Boost 3/3, Momentum Swing 3/3 (Active), Improved Power Attack 1/1, Action Boost Damage 3/3 (Active), Lay Waste 1/1 (Active), Advancing Blows 1/1, Devastating Critical 1/1, Headmans Chop, Masters Blitz 1/1 (Active)

Twists
1. Standing with stone (Energy Sheath in FoT)
2. Dance with Flowers
3. Undeath Bane

Main Enhancement Lines:
Bladeforged (21)
1 Improved Fortification
6 Healers Friend
6 Communion of Scribing 3/3
6 Warforged Tactics 3/3
1 Fearsome Presence
1 Power of the Forge

Kensei (37)
Base Row
1 Kensei Focus Axes
1Spiritual Bond
1 Strike with no thought
1 Power Surge
First Row
6 Extra Action Boost 3/3
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
3 Haste Boost 3/3
Second Row
6 Tactics 3/3
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
2 Weapon Meditation 1/3
Third Row
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
1 Shattering Strike 1/3
2 Str
Fourth Row
2 Kensei Weapon Specialization Axes
2 Str
Fifth Row
1 Keen Edge
1 Deadly Strike 1/1
1 One with the blade 1/1

Ninja Spy (13)
1 Ninja Training I
3 Acrobatic 3/3
1 Ninja Training II
2 Sneak Attack Training 1
1 Agility 1/3
1 Shadow Veil
2 Fists of Iron
2 Sting of the Ninja

Knight of the Chalice (9)
1 First Core
3 Extra turning 3
1 Remove Disease (dump point)
4 Divine Might 2

[JOTMON]

Here is a new try with changes to stats, feats and enhancements...

Name: Ctype
Class: Fighter 12/Monk 6/Paladin 2
Race: Bladeforged
Alignment: Lawful Good

Wis 6

20 M6 Monk Bonus Feat Zen Archery

I cant see how you can take Zen archery starting with 6 wisdom.

Zen Archery Prerequisite: Wisdom 13+

and 8 Int isn't going to go far ..Monk gets 4 points/level.. ftr/pal 2 points... even with a +5 tome you wont get an extra point until level 15.

Skill Points:
UMD, Concentration, Balance, Repair

Based on your levelling setup with Paladin first level instead of monk and a +4/5 Tome you would end up with something like...
UMD 11, Concentration 14, Balance 14, Repair 6. at level 20
Starting Monk First level would give you 8 more skill points to spend in total.. start first level - UMD 2, Concentration 4, Balance 4, Repair 2.. vs ..UMD 2 Concentration 4 Balance 0, Repair 0

[Ctype]

I cant see how you can take Zen archery starting with 6 wisdom.

Zen Archery Prerequisite: Wisdom 13+

and 8 Int isn't going to go far ..Monk gets 4 points/level.. ftr/pal 2 points... even with a +5 tome you wont get an extra point until level 15.

Skill Points:
UMD, Concentration, Balance, Repair

Based on your levelling setup with Paladin first level instead of monk and a +4/5 Tome you would end up with something like...
UMD 11, Concentration 14, Balance 14, Repair 6. at level 20
Starting Monk First level would give you 8 more skill points to spend in total.. start first level - UMD 2, Concentration 4, Balance 4, Repair 2.. vs ..UMD 2 Concentration 4 Balance 0, Repair 0

Thank you for that catch - been rushing it a bit since im thinking of TRing- ofc i cant take zen archery with that - i need to start 8+5tome to get 13 - Im a moron at times - ty Jot. The reason for pally first is that i dont want to have to use a heart straight away to change that. Some less skill points i can live with - but the zen archery would have been bad.

[jskinner937]

Completionist also gives +2 wisdom.

Also just FYI, you do not need to twist in Bane of Undeath at all. Just change your destiny to Unyiedling Sentinel and back to LD in between quests and all your turns will stay. 18 turns is usually enough to get through most quests.

[Ctype]

Completionist also gives +2 wisdom.

Also just FYI, you do not need to twist in Bane of Undeath at all. Just change your destiny to Unyiedling Sentinel and back to LD in between quests and all your turns will stay. 18 turns is usually enough to get through most quests.

Good point - im gonna have a think about it and prob gonna TR tomorrow, and if i do something wrong i can sort it later. I might do a lesser to not have to have pally first level later. Im looking forward to this build - reminds me of the monster build a bit - i ran that build for quite a few years on this char and loved it.

[jskinner937]

Its very fun build, but you really have to know how to avoid damage and keep moving. I use Cleaver because I am not in favor of the VoN Gods at all, but I must say an upgraded Cleaver is still great DPS...with fully charged blitz I have no problems seeing 6-8k crits and very often, save the very high fort mobs.

[Takllin]

I'd say get rid of Dodge and take Two Handed Fighting. Dodge feat is pretty useless on this build. I'd also say get rid of Epic Damage Reduction to pick up ITHF. Your losing a lot of DPS by not taking these feats.

I would also suggest twisting in Sense Weakness instead of Standing with Stone, especially if your using Stunning Blow.

Another suggestion is to take out +2 Strength from Kensai tree, and 2 AP from Ninja Spy. Use those 6 AP to invest in Improved Power Attack in BF tree. -3 Attack, +6 Damage.

Starting stats could be more like(assuming +4 tomes):
Str-16
Dex-13
Con-15
Int-11
Wis-9
Cha-15

[Crann]

Starting Monk First level would give you 8 more skill points to spend in total..

If your TR'ing into a Bladeforged (level 15), Pally has to be your first level.....unless you want to burn a +3 Heart to then switch that level to monk and a later one to pally.

Loving the Bladeforged variant so far throught heroic levels....Repair SLA FTW Especially with displace and Shadow fade running on top of a decent dodge score.

[Crann]

How does Divine Might work with only 2 Paladin levels?

It is my understanding that the Pally version uses turns which you don't get until Pally level 4.

I tried this after I got my second Paladin level, and even took Extra Turn 3, but still had 0 available turns to activate Divine Might 2.

I realize that the original build posted had Cleric levels instead of Paladin levels, and that the Cleric version is powered by spell points.

The builds posted by others since also list DM2 with only 2 Pally levels, what am I missing?

If this is an oversight in updating the original build, than does 8F/6M/6P work a lot better then? IMHO, The extra strength from DM2 on this build would dwarf the Power Surge from Fighter 12. You would lose 2 feats though, not sure what to cut

[unbongwah]

How does Divine Might work with only 2 Paladin levels?

It is my understanding that the Pally version uses turns which you don't get until Pally level 4.

Correct: you have to Twist in Bane of Undeath from Unyielding Sentinel (listed in the initial build post), which grants you Turn Undead. Unfortunately this means you can't use DM until epic lvls.

[DrNuegebauer]

Correct: you have to Twist in Bane of Undeath from Unyielding Sentinel (listed in the initial build post), which grants you Turn Undead. Unfortunately this means you can't use DM until epic lvls.

That's not quite true.

You can use DM, but only a very limited amount of times (ie, select it, and take some 'extra turns' from the tree, and voila - a few uses of Divine Might. They don't ever recharge though until you get Bane of Undeath - so basically the point you make is correct!)

[Arkadios]

That's not quite true.

You can use DM, but only a very limited amount of times (ie, select it, and take some 'extra turns' from the tree, and voila - a few uses of Divine Might. They don't ever recharge though until you get Bane of Undeath - so basically the point you make is correct!)

If you've found a way to do this please post, because extra turns doesn't actually give you the turn undead feat. you need a cleric level,4 pally levels bane of undeath or the Improved turning feat. (At least I believe it's this one, I know one does give turns).

However if you have found a way around this please enlighten me.