The Phantom Lancer

[Carpone]

Does the bludgeoning component of the damage invalidate the DEX to damage?

No.

[Tenebris-Niatellim]

Just looked up the Sireth on the DDO wiki, daaaam it looks so cool. If this build uses that that would be amazing.

Although I have no doubt with a cool name like Phantom Lancer it'll be amazing regardless. Can't wait till you release it ^_^.

[Soulfurnace]

Well seems like my main character will be useless for one week

You now have a whole week to make the Phantom Lancer on forums - complete with all sorts of formatting I couldn't even name...
Or you could just message me the build so I can get a head start? :P

[Tenebris-Niatellim]

You now have a whole week to make the Phantom Lancer on forums - complete with all sorts of formatting I couldn't even name...
Or you could just message me the build so I can get a head start? :P

Agreed I would love to, it's keeping me on the forums...

[Maelodic]

You now have a whole week to make the Phantom Lancer on forums - complete with all sorts of formatting I couldn't even name...
Or you could just message me the build so I can get a head start? :P

See, if he messaged you the build, he'd have to message everyone the build xD

[Soulfurnace]

See, if he messaged you the build, he'd have to message everyone the build xD

Uh.. nope. He could message it to me, and me only, so I can be at the head of the new flavour of the month!

All you people are too OP, whereas I'm gimp. I need it. :P

[Neoxxz]

Uh.. nope. He could message it to me, and me only, so I can be at the head of the new flavour of the month!

Well, he's intimated that it's one part Wizard and one part Ranger.

Assuming the third part is Monk, I've already seen a couple of permutations on Ghallanda (e.g. a guildie who's running a 12 Wiz/6 Monk/2 Ranger)

You might want to get a move on if you want to have a head start.

[Soulfurnace]

Assuming the third part is Monk, I've already seen a couple of permutations on Ghallanda (e.g. a guildie who's running a 12 Wiz/6 Monk/2 Ranger)

I'd argue /6 ranger could be more useful, esp if it's TWF. (which, as Haek once said, was his preferred style... Turbine just doesn't like it much)

However, randomly drawing lines is fun. Phantom would be incorp.. Perhaps wraith form. (esp as he mentioned wizard and ranger)
Lancer, Sireth. Why Sireth? Centered. /2 monk. Grandmaster of earth. Maybe. (I've got no clues tbh)

[Skavenaps]

I'd argue /6 ranger could be more useful, esp if it's TWF. (which, as Haek once said, was his preferred style... Turbine just doesn't like it much)

However, randomly drawing lines is fun. Phantom would be incorp.. Perhaps wraith form. (esp as he mentioned wizard and ranger)
Lancer, Sireth. Why Sireth? Centered. /2 monk. Grandmaster of earth. Maybe. (I've got no clues tbh)

I posted something in this lines yesterday.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ariant-for-u19

[Soulfurnace]

I posted something in this lines yesterday.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ariant-for-u19

I saw it :P
Might be where my mind drew up the idea of wraith+Sireth.

Although, phantom lancer doesn't give me much to work with. He's mentioned wizard for a week, which he may or may not be dropping. /shrug
Some form of incorp, and phantoms being similar to wraiths...
And Sireth being the only "lance" irrc, unless he means rapiers or something.

[Maelodic]

I saw it :P
Might be where my mind drew up the idea of wraith+Sireth.

Although, phantom lancer doesn't give me much to work with. He's mentioned wizard for a week, which he may or may not be dropping. /shrug
Some form of incorp, and phantoms being similar to wraiths...
And Sireth being the only "lance" irrc, unless he means rapiers or something.

Monk incorp+Henshin tier 5 staff crit range only requires monk level 6. Combine that with some sort of caster class along with the monk stance feats and you're in good shape, especially if you go 2 rogue for the attack speed boost.

[darksol23]

Assuming the info on the wiki is accurate, I was also thinking about how a DEX-based Wizard11/Monk6/Rog3 would turn out... But then I got a headache... So... I'll sit back patiently and let the master builders figure out this new crazy enhancement system...

Looking forward to seeing the Lancer as I'm now using Sireth on my jug and it's awesome because it's friggin huge!

[thesnoman]

Assuming the info on the wiki is accurate, I was also thinking about how a DEX-based Wizard11/Monk6/Rog3 would turn out... But then I got a headache... So... I'll sit back patiently and let the master builders figure out this new crazy enhancement system...

Looking forward to seeing the Lancer as I'm now using Sireth on my jug and it's awesome because it's friggin huge!

I'm thinking you're close with this one - still figuring things out, but 12/5/3 or 12/6/2 WIZ/Monk/Rogue is what I'm playing with.

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Thinking I'm going to change that to 6 Rogue and 2 Monk...just food for thought

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12 Wiz - PM (Shroud of the Wraith and Reconstruct)
6/5 Monk - Henshin Quarterstaff enhancements
2/3 Rogue - Thief Acrobat Quarterstaff enhancements

With all the bonuses, the BAB MIGHT be high enough - but I'm still not convinced since I don't have Sireth to test it out.

Whatever Haek has come up with, I'm looking forward to it (and I'm saving my LR+20 on live until I see it). He's just got a knack for squeezing everything the game has to offer into a single build.

[darksol23]

With all the bonuses, the BAB MIGHT be high enough - but I'm still not convinced since I don't have Sireth to test it out.

BAB is a non-issue on arcane base builds as Tenser's is typically used constantly.

[Cadelar]

sounds interesting!

[Kwyjibo]

How about 14/3/3 Wiz/Mnk/Rgr...Wraith(incorp form)/Ninja(short swords)/Tempest(TWF)?

[Lurzifer]

Thanks to my reallife, (yea curse that!) i wasnt able to LR to first step this week, instead i LRd into a centered juggernaut to provide some testing and enhancement layouts for that build before i change.

Next week Tuesday i will LR to the first stage getting rid of the Artificer and then fixing the build one week later on tuesday to the final stage of the Phantom Lancer.

Even though the power-gain is pretty huge and i really like it, the loss of trap skills weighs heavy on the new Update.

Ultimately a blitzing Phantom Lancer with a Fury Juggernaut as tagteam would steamroll any current content even in U19 on EE.

Had some good fun running demonweb Saga last night on EE with some friends just to find myself checking up on XP site if we entered on EE

Looking forward to post some fun time videos in the next couple weeks with some Juggernaut guildies and maybe some action from Sithalis new build ideas!

Haek

[Cadelar]

Haek

what have you changed to turn the jugg in centered etc? have you gone for grandmaster stances?

also what enchancements have you taken?

Cade

[Carpone]

I'd argue /6 ranger could be more useful, esp if it's TWF. (which, as Haek once said, was his preferred style... Turbine just doesn't like it much)

6 Ranger prevents Shadow Veil from Ninja Spy. Wraith Form is suboptimal as it prevents Reconstruct.

12 Wizard/6 Monk/2 Ranger provides amazing self healing with Reconstruct, full BAB, 25% Incorporeality, Henshin tier5 staff enhancements and plenty of feats for Manyshot. It's a solid update from the Juggernaut archetype.

Monk feats: Power Attack, Precision, Zen Archery
Wizard feats: Quicken, Mental Toughness, Extend (for Displacement/Haste)
Heroic feats: Master of Forms, Improved Crit: Bludgeon, Improved Crit: Ranged, Cleave, Great Cleave, Precise Shot, Point Blank Shot
Epic feats: 21 Overwhelming Critical, 24 Manyshot, 26: Toughness, 27 Epic Damage Reduction, 28: Toughness

I haven't put too much thought into ED feats for this toon; Toughness is just a placeholder.

Dodge:
06 Monk level 6 centered
03 Acrobatic (Ninja Spy)
10 Item
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19%

PRR:
16 Augment
15 Planar Prowess
10 Epic Damage Reduction
12 Master Earth Stance
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53 PRR = 26.8% damage reduction

Destiny: FotW
Twists: Standing with Stone (for 32.8% damage reduction total) or Grim Precision, A Dance with Flowers, and one TBD (Otto's Whistler?)

[Lurzifer]

Monk feats: Power Attack, Precision, Zen Archery
Wizard feats: Quicken, Mental Toughness, Extend (for Displacement/Haste)
Heroic feats: Master of Forms, Improved Crit: Bludgeon, Improved Crit: Ranged, Cleave, Great Cleave, Precise Shot, Manyshot
Epic feats: 21 Overwhelming Critical, 24 Toughness, 26: Toughness, 27 Epic Damage Reduction, 28: Toughness

I Like how you take manyshot without rapid shot and point blank shot, bow str seems optional too. Need to keep that in mind, opens up alot new stuff lol :P