18 Rogue, 2 monk new enhancement layout. Using Deadlock's pdf file for reference

[Nightmanis]

Ok, the build is an 18 Rogue, 2 Monk wis built stun build.

Racial Tree:

• Human Versatility: +20% damage, 1ap
• Human Adaptability: +1 wis, 2ap
• Improved Recovery: 10% heal amp, 2ap

5ap total

Assassin Tree:
Tier 1

• Knife in the Dark: 1ap
• Sneak Attack Training: 2ap
• Stealthy 3: 3ap

6ap Total

Tier 2

• Dagger in the back: 1ap
• Venomed Blades 3: 6ap
• Sneak attack training: 2ap

9ap total, 15 spent to this point

Tier 3

• Critical Accuracy 3: 3ap
• Sneak attack Training: 2ap

5ap total, 20ap spent to this point

Tier 4

• Critical Damage 3: 3ap
• Killer 3: 3ap
• Sneak attack Training: 2ap

8ap total, 28 spent to this point

Final cores: Assassin's trick, Nimbleness, and Lethality.
3ap total, 31 spent total in Assassin, 36 spent total



Mechanic Tree:
Tier 1

• Arbalester: 1ap
• Faster Disabling 3: 3ap
• Mechanics 3: 3ap

7ap total

Tier 2

• Wand Heightening 3: 3ap

3ap total, 10 spent to this point

Tier 3

• Wand and scroll mastery 3: 6ap

6ap total, 16 spent total in Mechanic, 52 spent total



Acrobat tree:
Tier 1

• Acrobat: 1ap
• Charming 3: 3ap
• Faster Sneaking 2: 2ap
• Acrobatic 3: 3ap

9ap total

Tier 2

• Subtlety 3: 3ap
• Haste Boost 3: 6ap

9ap total, 18 spent to this point

Tier 3

• Dexterity: 2ap

2ap total, 20 spent to this point

Tier 4

• No Mercy: 1ap

1ap total, 21 spent to this point, 73 spent total


Ninja Spy Tree:
Tier 1:

• Ninja Training: 1ap
• Sneak Attack Training: 2ap
• Acrobatic 2: 2ap

5ap total

Tier 2

• Sneak attack Training: 2ap

2ap total, 7 spent in tree, 80 spent total


What do you all think? Took me a good maybe 5 minutes to come up with this list.

Stats:
10 Str
17 Dex
13 Con
11 Int
17 Wis
8 Cha

Have a +3 tome for all stats, +4 for Dex and +5 for wisdom. Can not wait to get a +5 Dex tome...

Thinking the new feat list will look like:

• TWF
• ITWF
• GTWF
• Improved Critical: Bludgeon
• Precision
• Toughness (It's still giving hp)
• Rogue past life
• Stunning Fists
• Weapon Finesse
• Great Wisdom (Just because)
• Improved Sneak Attack

And one more feat I can take, wondering what to use. Probably Power Attack for when I have enough bypass.

So how's it look? Seems pretty basic, and I don't feel like I lost anything that I had before. End up with exactly the same amount of HP, MOARDEEPZ, and some interesting tricks. Plus I get Dex to damage with my fists which is a welcome change. Another 2-3 damage a hit without having to micro-manage my str as much.

[Nightmanis]

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Level 25 Lawful Neutral Human Female
(2 Monk \ 18 Rogue \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 19
Will: 18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             10                    13
Dexterity            17                    21
Constitution         13                    16
Intelligence         11                    14
Wisdom               17                    29
Charisma              8                    11

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 4
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               3                    11
Bluff                 3                    29
Concentration         1                    32
Diplomacy            -1                     6
Disable Device        4                    31
Haggle               -1                     6
Heal                  3                    15
Hide                  7                    34
Intimidate           -1                     6
Jump                  0                     7
Listen                3                    15
Move Silently         7                    34
Open Lock             7                    30
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     8
Search                4                    31
Spot                  7                    38
Swim                  0                     7
Tumble                7                    15
Use Magic Device      3                    29

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Precision


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)


Level 21 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Sneak Attack


Level 22 (Rogue)


Level 23 (Rogue)


Level 24 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Great Wisdom


Level 25 (Rogue)

Add in the enhancements up top, and then all you need is to figure up a gear setup.

Anyone have a list of all the gear?

Also, feats for levels 26, 27 and 28 are tentatively:

Tactician
Blinding Speed
Perfect Two Weapon Fighting, 10% offhand

[MalarKan]

if dex based, i would rather go halfling or elf and take a dragonmark :P (easy self heal on H'ling and free Displacement as elf)

Also, i havent run the numbers, but you might get more dps out of extra d6 seank att from H'ling.

Yes, droping human is losing one free feat and skill points per lvl, but i just supose you could get rid of one feat (i would drop stunning fist once at cap) ...

:P cheers!

[Nightmanis]

:P cheers!

Nuuuu I'm not going with a half wit. And I'm not dropping stunning fists, I use them in EE all the time and it works fine. Granted yes I don't have the 70 to knock a minotaur warrior senseless, but at 65 I don't think I'm too far off ;P

Plus I just scroll displace constantly anyway. That, and if I stay Human I could go with the passage dragonmark and get DDoor.

Plus that would involve tring. I'm not going to tr for a while, just going to use the free lr and make this build.

[jalont]

(i would drop stunning fist once at cap) ...

o.O

[MalarKan]

IIRC...


i think i saw someone saying that dex is not aplying to fists , somewhere... dont know if WAI or not... could be wrong xD im just waking up

[Nightmanis]

IIRC...


i think i saw someone saying that dex is not aplying to fists , somewhere... dont know if WAI or not... could be wrong xD im just waking up

Oh my God I would be so angry...

[MalarKan]

Oh my God I would be so angry...

was something like "dex to damage with WEAPONS" and wraps or fist were not considered as weapons or BS like that that would make your build use that +20 heart xD

[Nightmanis]

was something like "dex to damage with WEAPONS" and wraps or fist were not considered as weapons or BS like that that would make your build use that +20 heart xD

No actually to be perfectly honest, I would just deal with the not having much str part. The setup there is literally 3str less than what I have now, and I do fairly well on my own anyway. The dex to damage was only so I didn't have to micromanage my str all the time with primal and tensers, etc etc.

[Ploks]

What destiny do you run in?

Have you made the build? If so, how viable is it in EE?

Considering something along the same lines. Curious of your experiences so far.

[Nightmanis]

What destiny do you run in?

Have you made the build? If so, how viable is it in EE?

Considering something along the same lines. Curious of your experiences so far.

Lred the build into a 17 Rogue, 2 Fighter, 1 monk design. I have the grandmaster stances (Holy hell Ultimate wind stance for dps, Ultimate Water stance for tactics and I'm drooling) and currently am sitting at a 72dc stunning fists. When I hit 28 and get the right gear built in I should be able to sustain a 76dc stun. I personally love the build more than I should simply because I can kill anything I want quickly and efficiently. Weapon finesse doesn't seem to to diddly with handwraps so I'm going to drop it for hopefully something more useful (can't remember if I took it as a fighter feat. If as a fighter feat, take quickdraw. If not, 10k stars for some ranged dps)

It's worked wonderfully in EE content, except for the constant threat of only really having 600hp at any one time.

The enhancements change around a bit, but I took the bleed attack from assassin instead of venomed blades (doesn't work with handwraps), 3umd from mechanic, managed to get full tactics bonuses AND full extra action boosts from fighter, No Mercy+Haste boost 3 from Acrobat and 1d6 sneak damage from Ninja. Oddly it worked out really well, I was surprised.


Edit: Oh and I normally run in either GMOF or Primal. I'm convinced there is a lot to be had from primal is why I like using it. GMOF is great for parties since you will have high wisdom it makes drifting lotus quite nice. Sadly the dc's on that are a bit low so it's not entirely effective in EE content :/

[Nightmanis]

Just posting this here for reference. More for me than you, but hey whatever.

18 Starting wis
7 Levels
6 Tome
11 Item
3 Insightful
1 Exceptional
4 Ultimate Water Stance
2 Ship
2 GMOF
1 Enhancement
2 Yugo
2 Action Surge
1 Litany
2 Alchemical Water2 Wraps
2 Acute senses twist
=64, +27

DC Stunning fist=10+half level+wis mod+other bits

10+14 levels+27 Wisdom+13 Wraps+5 Combat Mastery+3 Fighter tactics+3 Grandmaster+6 Legendary Tactics+2 Tactician ED feat= 83dc stunning fists.

Alternative is a Dwarf for another +3, which results in an 86dc stunning fists. All of these stats are totally devoid of past lives. With all the past lives you can need (3x fighter+Completionist), you would be able to hit an 90dc stunning fists.

Edit: Apparently there is a chance some +6 tomes will go live. In that event, get a +5 dex tome and start with 18 wisdom. Increases the overall dc by 1, and if you can tell me where to slot +3 ins wis on anything but a trinket while also using EE Shadowsight for the +11 wis, you can somehow aquire Litany for ANOTHER +1. I've updated everything up top with this tiny bit of information.

Seriously though, 83dc stunning fists with no fighter past lives but with freakishly hard to get gear? Sounds reasonable to me.

[Feithlin]

Just posting this here for reference. More for me than you, but hey whatever.

17 Starting wis
7 Levels
5 Tome
10 Item
3 Insightful
1 Exceptional
4 Ultimate Water Stance
2 Ship
2 GMOF
1 Enhancement
2 Yugo
=54 Wisdom, +22

DC Stunning fist=10+half level+wis mod+other bits

10+14 levels+22 Wisdom+13 Wraps+5 Combat Mastery+3 Fighter tactics+3 Grandmaster+6 Legendary Tactics= 76dc stunning fists.

I'm fairly certain I'm missing something here as well as I was hitting more wisdom than this with just a +8 item. Also, assuming I took the time for it there's another 4 that I could get if I took 3 fighter lives and went on to Completionist. So an 80dc is entirely possible to sustain. Although I've only heard myths about these +13 stun wraps, as it's about like seeing Nessy at this point.

You could increase your DC further with Fighter PL (passive, so up to +3) and tactician ed feat (+2, not sure if you can take it twice). As a human, you could get up to +3 wis when activating an action boost.
Note that by going dwarf, you could get another +3 to dcs.

[Nightmanis]

You could increase your DC further with Fighter PL (passive, so up to +3) and tactician ed feat (+2, not sure if you can take it twice). As a human, you could get up to +3 wis when activating an action boost.
Note that by going dwarf, you could get another +3 to dcs.

Thank you for reminding me about Tactician. I dun did totally forgotted aboot dat :P Will edit the post to reflect this new information. Like I said above though I could do the fighter lives and go completionist for another +4 in total, and I'm not going to make a stumpy person. Also I'm not a big fan of the action boost stats though I do understand their usefulness. I prefer a sustained setup.

[Nightmanis]

So I should probably update the OP....

I'll do that tomorrow after work. Gonna put the stats and everything up for a 17/2/1 Rogue/Fighter/Monk.