Please stop increasing stats

[Masadique]

The first thing I thought when I saw the new items was, "Oh god no, this is just like epic DnD."

I realize that sounds like it would be a good thing, but you need to understand what epic pen and paper was actually like. You see, at low levels, you were rolling a few dice on your turn, let's say high end of 6 dice because you're a wizard and you love fireball. That's fine. You roll your dice, you move on. After level 20 you are rolling closer to 60, not exaggerating as that's what my rogue rolled. Sounds great though! I get to do so much damage! All that actually happens is you end up averaging out your rolls to save time, and you kill monsters just as fast since their HP goes up with your damage.

This is what we call power creep. What is the difference between +8 and +10 strength? +1 attack and +1 damage. What is the real difference? Gear with +8 is no longer worth getting. What does that translate to? Old content no longer gets used. In other words, you may be adding more content, but you're also negating a lot of your older work. Why not keep power where it is, add content with items that do different things instead of old things but better, and try to fix old issues?

I know this is a rant, I would be silent right now, but I'm currently unable to log into your game due to your servers.

TL;DR : +10 to a stat doesn't make the game better, it just makes old stuff worse. Focus on making things fun instead of throwing bigger numbers around.

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[Thrudh]

TL;DR : +10 to a stat doesn't make the game better, it just makes old stuff worse. Focus on making things fun instead of throwing bigger numbers around.

Agreed,...

Those +8 stat dragon helms don't look so great anymore...

[Pilgrim1]

Two of the most hotly contested melee items in the game (dream visor and jondrals collar) are out classed by random drops that can show up anywhere. +6 caster sticks which were the best of the best for caster weapons are now total junk as the new top of the line are so much better.

In one update you have created a huge gear change over from our previous best and almost all of that is on random loot. I agree with Masadique in everything he said. If you want to make new amazing loot that will get us interested in your game try new things not better old things. If your unable to create something new then just stick existing stuff in different slots, or combine old items into one.

Just think what would happen if you created a dream visor with perma-haste and stuck it in a helm slot. Everyone would be excited about it but it would not make dream visor or jondrals collar obsolete.

[Jay203]

it's a bit late to start realizing that...
the train left since Greensteel came out

[Masadique]

it's a bit late to start realizing that...
the train left since Greensteel came out

Start realizing it? Oh no, I've been saying for a long time that this game was going to be dead if it continued with the power creep. It's happening to WoW, and that has a much larger player base to absorb blows. This one will be losing me, and those I play with just as soon as I can find them a replacement. It's simply a stagnant system.

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[Gwyxxx]

TL;DR : +10 to a stat doesn't make the game better, it just makes old stuff worse. Focus on making things fun instead of throwing bigger numbers around.

V

They must put higher stat in loot. For melee is not so different, +8 or +10 strenght. But +8/+10 is +1DC for a caster. And without new ed levels there is no other source of dc for caster.

[legendkilleroll]

They must put higher stat in loot. For melee is not so different, +8 or +10 strenght. But +8/+10 is +1DC for a caster. And without new ed levels there is no other source of dc for caster.

I agree with OP too, there are Focus V dc items, pair of named gloves and a lootgen necklace i believe

[Gwyxxx]

I agree with OP too, there are Focus V dc items, pair of named gloves and a lootgen necklace i believe

I meant there are no new sources of DC excluding equip. Stat of Focus is the same.
Also the Twilight is scrap now.
I don't tell thats good or bad. Simply devs put in to equip the things they don't put in build.

[Teh_Troll]

Agreed,...

Those +8 stat dragon helms don't look so great anymore...

As much as it pains me to agree with you and the OP, it is too soon for +10/11 stat items.

But the die is cast, deal with it.

[SerPounce]

This is so obviously a bad idea that it's rather painful to even have to point it out. I don't have a problem with a bit of power creep, but "power creep" would +9/+4 on some hard to get gear. +11 on loogen is ridiculous.

I get that this is turbine's way of admitting they've let mob saves get out of hand and buffing DC casters. I have a DC caster and appreciate that, but there are better ways.

[patang01]

When I saw the named heroic gloves with ML 19 and +8 int I kind of realized that something is REALLY wrong.

Overall the current named loot is crappy (but random can be really good) but that was just way over top.

[Masadique]

As much as it pains me to agree with you and the OP, it is too soon for +10/11 stat items.

But the die is cast, deal with it.

Why should I have to deal with it? They are turning the game into WoW. I do not have to take this on the chin. It's a foolish move on their part, and anyone can see it. Yes, big numbers are fun for a bit., but who really wants to keep playing three same game with higher HP bars and higher damage? It's still the same thing fundamentally, just bigger numbers to crunch.

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[Urjak]

/agreed and signed

I can only repeat it again and again ... we need a broader, more varied endgame ... not a few new quests with terrible named loot and random loot that surpasses old "must-have-loot" (like jorgundals or dream visor, ...)

[HuneyMunster]

Would have been a better idea to create profane bonuses on items and augment gems than increasing +8 to +10/11. This would make items such as Dragon Helms still wanted at lvl28. Nether Grasps gloves have demonic might on them that give +2 profane bonus to strength is a good example of this.

Also maybe consider adding another tier to CiTW and FoT items making them remain useful at lvl28 and so the raids will still be run for both items and commendations.

[Gwyxxx]

Would have been a better idea to create profane bonuses on items and augment gems than increasing +8 to +10/11. This would make items such as Dragon Helms still wanted at lvl28. Nether Grasps gloves have demonic might on them that give +2 profane bonus to strength is a good example of this.

Also maybe consider adding another tier to CiTW and FoT items making them remain useful at lvl28 and so the raids will still be run for both items and commendations.

Too late for this turn of the wheel I fear.
Hoping for the next time.

[Teh_Troll]

Why should I have to deal with it? They are turning the game into WoW. I do not have to take this on the chin. It's a foolish move on their part, and anyone can see it. Yes, big numbers are fun for a bit., but who really wants to keep playing three same game with higher HP bars and higher damage? It's still the same thing fundamentally, just bigger numbers to crunch.

V

I agree it's a dumb idea but it is what it is. Sell your EE GH loot now while there are still suckers who will pay for it.

Because there are already named items with +11 stats. Turbine will not change this.

Deal with it.

[Teh_Troll]

I get that this is turbine's way of admitting they've let mob saves get out of hand and buffing DC casters. I have a DC caster and appreciate that, but there are better ways.

This is Turbine addressing the saves situation in the dumbest way possible. But if people think this is gonna get changed 2 weeks before the go date they're living in fantasy land.

[Alcedes]

/signed

Turbine, i love seeing myself get stronger as i play. but going from +8/+3 to +11/+5 is just a horrid idea.


However, I can live with it...i always do i guess. but this really needs to be the last stat increase for a while. Stop adding bigger numbers. Give us more ways to cram "needed" stats into the existing gear. Or create some things that are similar but in different slots. (Torc version of a ring maybe? or trinket) Torc may not be a great example due to its enormous usefulness but you get the idea. dont give me bigger numbers. Give me more ways to cram what i need into my gear setup. that would make me (and im betting the majority of others!) much happier.

[Masadique]

I know this isn't going to change this late into beta. That's fine, I just want them to know one of the reasons people like me are starting to look at other MMOs. Power creep is bad. It always has been. Yes, you need to feel stronger as you advance, but you shouldn't have a massive jump every few months. Old loot should still be viable, even if it's not ideal.

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[Silverleafeon]

One thread says items are lame, next thread says items are too powerful???

Epic TRing

Gianthold = epic greensteels


/not signed

Stock up the cookie jar cause we might be stuck at lvl 30 for a long time.