EE Arcanes not in shiradi

[Iaga]

Just wondering how many people are running EE with arcanes in something other than shiradi?

EH is a joke of course on pretty much anything - trying to run EE's on my air sorc ... DC 52 before debuffs ... when i can get thru saves, it feels like i'm only tickling them.

Just trying to decide if it's learning curve i need to work on or **** near impossible.

[wey4lust]

Draconic have stronger dps than shiradi (well that depends cuz shiradi can get real lucky with procs) but as game is now shiradi sorc is most sp/dmg effective. It may change in ep tho.

[Cynning]

A friend of mine mostly runs in Draconic with Rainbow and Double Rainbow twisted in. He is still testing it, but seems to get the best of both worlds. So far, he loves it...

[maddong]

But in EE with the stat dam resistance double rainbow isn't doing anything?....

[Darkrok]

But in EE with the stat dam resistance double rainbow isn't doing anything?....

Double Rainbow is 7% chance of some random damage thing happening. The list changes every update but I've included what DDOWiki has on it.

Rainbow: Passive Bonus: While in Prism Stance, your ranged and thrown attacks and offensive spells have a 7% chance to deal 1d100 extra damage of a random type.

What I wasn't aware of is that you could benefit from twisting these without also twisting prism. I hadn't tried it though so I can't comment on whether it does work...I just assumed it didn't.

[Syllph]

The double rainbow procs and Shiradi passive (bottom level) procs are also subject to spell power. So when it reads 7% to deal 10d10 sonic damage, that's multiplied by your spell power. I regularly see 1000-3000 light damage.

Shiradi to me is like gambling. Draconic gives regular guaranteed spell power/damage. Shiradi you toss the dice. Sometimes you get good stuff, sometimes not. Sometimes you get a string of rolls that just annihilates a mob with 100,000 hp in seconds. You don't want to dump CHA/INT or spell power in hopes of a lucky toss though, it's good to have a stable DC and solid DPS in case you're not so lucky and you need some speed in DPS.

my two cents.

[ForumAccess]

Just trying to decide if it's learning curve i need to work on or **** near impossible.

It is a case of poor design, not of a learning curve. Spell Damage just does not keep up with mob scaling in the slightest. Even if you are recalling out of the quest to go Shrine every five minutes, running around with a significantly detracted value to the party, Draconic casters just do not pull their weight in the current EEs.

A friend of mine mostly runs in Draconic with Rainbow and Double Rainbow twisted in. He is still testing it, but seems to get the best of both worlds. So far, he loves it...

How exactly does he do this? Double Rainbow requires Prism stance, and costs 10 Fate Points to twist in. Rainbow requires Prism Stance and costs 9 Fate Points to twist in. Prism costs 7 Fate Points to twist in. We can currently earn 18 Fate Points from Epic Destiny levels, and 2 Fate Points from Tomes.

Also, Nerve Venom is just as useful, if not more so, and it is not Twistable.

[Iaga]

It is a case of poor design, not of a learning curve. Spell Damage just does not keep up with mob scaling in the slightest. Even if you are recalling out of the quest to go Shrine every five minutes, running around with a significantly detracted value to the party, Draconic casters just do not pull their weight in the current EEs.

This is more or less what i'm thinking. Not being able to use meta's for draconic bursts/breathe and then whatever changes they made to crits resulted in lower damage and then they went and super inflated HP in EE content. Felt like a double nerf, which sucks. At least i know i'm not missing something obvious.

How exactly does he do this? Double Rainbow requires Prism stance, and costs 10 Fate Points to twist in. Rainbow requires Prism Stance and costs 9 Fate Points to twist in. Prism costs 7 Fate Points to twist in. We can currently earn 18 Fate Points from Epic Destiny levels, and 2 Fate Points from Tomes

I thought this was the case as well. If you're able to twist in double rainbow and have it work, that opens a lot of possibilities.

[Teh_Troll]

I'm a stubborn old bastard regarding this, 99% of the time my Wizard is in draconic with a 56 necro DC.

There are some quests where she's useless, but it's not as many as most think. You can still kill decently with prepping and energy burst+ mass-hold works well. I can usually squeeze our 25-30 kills a shrine without drinking and SP pots.

It's fine, good in a group but not dominant. Typically the top killer but not by the margins we typically are used to in easier content.

[threehourtour]

Just wondering how many people are running EE with arcanes in something other than shiradi?

EH is a joke of course on pretty much anything - trying to run EE's on my air sorc ... DC 52 before debuffs ... when i can get thru saves, it feels like i'm only tickling them.

Just trying to decide if it's learning curve i need to work on or **** near impossible.

I run a WF AM pure wiz in magister twisting in 3 extra ints. I run EE all the time, just not solo. (never tried) I think and have been told on occasion that I am a pretty good cc caster. fully buffed with Yugo pots I run with a 56 enchant, 49 necro, and 50 conj dcs. I have just over 3200sp and somewhere around 650hp(fully buffed). I have 2cleric, 1FS, 1sorc, and 3rd wiz past lives. I did have to do a bit of gear hunting. im sure there are other casters with just as good of dcs as that and maybe better. Now, I do not have evasion, which would be nice, but I seem to do alright.

Im sure the new update will change things , but for the last year or so it has worked great, I know there is quite a bit of work involved to create a toon like this, but it was my goal. I know I probably am just rambling and for that I apologize and I hope this might be what you were looking for.

[evaldor]

fully buffed with Yugo pots I run with a 56 enchant, 49 necro, and 50 conj dcs.... I have 2cleric, 1FS, 1sorc, and 3rd wiz past lives. ...

How are you getting 56 ench DC, exactly? I have a drow PM that has 3 wiz/1bard PL and can't seem to break 55 ench DC, even with yugos. Perhaps i'm missing something, but a breakdown or something would be nice. Thanks!

[threehourtour]

How are you getting 56 ench DC, exactly? I have a drow PM that has 3 wiz/1bard PL and can't seem to break 55 ench DC, even with yugos. Perhaps i'm missing something, but a breakdown or something would be nice. Thanks!

I wish I was smart enough to just somehow post my stats on here, but that's not the case. so a couple things that help me reach a 56 enchant dc.

1- I got quite lucky in a FoT raid and pulled a +5 tome(int). yeah and I didn't even have to roll for it because I actually pulled it and it ws actually intelligence. I was extremely happy.
2- the Twilight, element of magic quarterstaff is necessary.
3- any and all intelligence bonuses available, I wear stormreavers tablecloth, insightful 3 int planar focus of erudition, and I threw in a +1 exceptional int colorless augment in my epic diabolists docent(yeah, it may be older, but it is the only item with a +3 conjuration focus).

Of course, I maxed intelligence at creation, and took every enhancement and ability point available for intelligence, and not to forget the wizard capstone.

feats: enchant and necro focus, greater enchant focus, and epic feats great intelligence and epic spell penetration. im debating dropping the epic spell pen for epic spell focus enchant, but I have come to realize that I don't need to atm. my cc is good and the rest of the party can do the damage. Remember, I am not a solo artist on EE, but I don't want to be.

I the end, standing fully buffed with Yugo pots and my magister maxxed with intelligence, twisting in 3 extra ints from other trees, I will have a 60 intelligence.
hopefully this is enough detail as I cannot think of anything else. I will check back if I come up with any other details that are pertinent.

one last thing, I love running with bards who have inspire excellence. Even one more to all my dcs.

[Iaga]

I run a WF AM pure wiz in magister ....

I have a guildy who runs a cc-focused wizard. When he's in group, EE is actually pretty easy [mind you, he can't solo worth a **** because cc is all he does]

I was wondering more about arcane DPS as an EE option. It's overpowered in EH content but underpowered in EE.