Dragonmarks? Dragonmarks? Dragonmarks?

[luvirini]

In one of the developer comments last year it was mentioned that further tiers of dragonmarks would be enhancements, not feats. (as in take the least dragonmark of X as feat and then take lesser and greater as enhancements)

Current situation on Lamania:
- Continued Dragonmarks are still feats.
- Dragonmark enhancement lines(more uses) that exist on live servers are gone.

Thus instead of improvement it is a step down for dragonmarks. (That have never been very special to begin with, more a "fun thing")

I hope that this is an oversight that will be fixed before the things go live.

[azrael4h]

In one of the developer comments last year it was mentioned that further tiers of dragonmarks would be enhancements, not feats. (as in take the least dragonmark of X as feat and then take lesser and greater as enhancements)

Current situation on Lamania:
- Continued Dragonmarks are still feats.
- Dragonmark enhancement lines(more uses) that exist on live servers are gone.

Thus instead of improvement it is a step down for dragonmarks. (That have never been very special to begin with, more a "fun thing")

I hope that this is an oversight that will be fixed before the things go live.

Check again. The feats are still there, yes, but any race with Dragonmarks now have a series of enhancements on the far left of the racials which give the lesser and greater marks, as well as some getting a new ability or two. They are far too expensive for their limited value, still don't regenerate uses making them even less useful, and given the poor design on the enhancement overhaul in general, still a gimp choice because taking any racials just takes too many ap from the class stuff that is vastly too expensive to get to because of incredibly poor design.

[luvirini]

Hmm.. yes, seems like some races have them indeed. Just checked on the characters that actually had dragonmarks, not others. Atleast drow seem to be missing them, have to check the others.

[FuzzyDuck81]

Hmm.. yes, seems like some races have them indeed. Just checked on the characters that actually had dragonmarks, not others. Atleast drow seem to be missing them, have to check the others.

Drow have never had dragonmarks though, so nothing actually missing there

[Wanesa]

i did find least dragonmark of hiding for drows in the feat list. I guess that it is bug.

Purple knight has no dragonmarks in enhancements and still can choose any human dragonmark feat

[Wanesa]

IMHO halfling's dragonmarks are very handy especially when they can be empowered by Maximize feat or empower healing feat

[ArcaneArcher52689]

i did find least dragonmark of hiding for drows in the feat list. I guess that it is bug.

Purple knight has no dragonmarks in enhancements and still can choose any human dragonmark feat

Drow's having access is a bug (though i've been so tempted to make a drow with the dragonmarks...

Purple dragon knight and all faerun-born characters will not have access to dragonmarks. That they currently do is a bug. So there is no need for them to have dragonmark enhancements

Also, the first tier enhancement grants extra uses.

[Deadlock]

Drow have never had dragonmarks though, so nothing actually missing there

Here's a drow with the mark of shadows, same as elves. Roll one up on live or lamannia and you'll see for yourself.



The Faerun iconics don't get a dragonmark feat at character creation, but they still have them available as feats when they're levelling up - hopefully that gets fixed too.

I can cope with the old Eberron lore being extended to drow, but can't reconcile it with Faerun characters

Just give drow the same shadow line that Elves get but keep the SLA's for flavour.

[luvirini]

Drow have never had dragonmarks though, so nothing actually missing there

Tell that to my drow paladin on live servers that is very happy with the displacement mark.

[luvirini]

i did find least dragonmark of hiding for drows in the feat list. I guess that it is bug.

It has "always" been there. Drow can take the hiding dragonmarks and the displacement one is nice for melee types.

[Tscheuss]

The Shadow line seems so appropriate for Drow. The Shadar-kai seem to have their own variation, though.

[droid327]

... still don't regenerate uses making them even less useful...

Do all the various Extra Action Boost enhancements also increase your DM uses per rest, though?

Heal 3/rest plus some Cure Wounds with free metas is very useful for 1 feat and some AP.

[Uska]

It has "always" been there. Drow can take the hiding dragonmarks and the displacement one is nice for melee types.

That is a bug so dont be upset if they fix it some day

[Tscheuss]

That is a bug so dont be upset if they fix it some day

Upset? Players? Pshaw!

[ValidorKanston]

The new enhancement system has the same Dragonmark abilities as the old feat system, EXCEPT for the Elven and Dwarf races.

Human - existing feat and new enhancement systems:
Lesser Finding: Knock; Greater Finding: Treasure Finding
Lesser Making: Repair Serious Damage; Greater Making; Reconstruct
Lesser Passage: Dimension Door; Greater Passage: Teleport
Lesser Sentinel: Protection from Energy (Elements with new system); Greater Sentinel: Globe of Invulnerability

Halfling - existing feat and new enhancement systems:
Lesser Dragonmark: Cure Serious Wounds
Greater Dragonmark: Heal

Half-Elf and Half-Orc are similarly the same.

Dwarf - existing feat system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Glyph of Warding
Greater Dragonmark: Greater Glyph of Warding

Dwarf - new enhancement system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Spell Resistance
Greater Dragonmark: Radiant Forcefield

I’m not familiar with the Dwarf dragonmark abilities, so cannot comment on these changes.

Elf - existing feat system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Displacement
Greater Dragonmark: Shadow Walk

Elf - new enhancement system:
Lesser Dragonmark: Shadow Walk
Greater Dragonmark: Displacement

I am very familiar with the Elf dragonmark abilities. I have a Level 20 Elf Rogue that has the Lesser Dagonmark of Shadow feat with the Extra Dragonmark Use IV enhancement. The existing system provides 6 Displacement uses per rest at 2 min 30 sec duration each. With the proposed Lamannia change that reverses the order of the abilities, Displacement costs 5 AP more as a Greater Dragonmark and can only be used 4 times per rest.

Why was this changed; was this a mistake or intentional? The new system provides less capability. Please change it back to match the order that’s granted in the existing feat system.

[Thrudh]

The Halfling dragomarks are fairly useful in the 1-20 game, but 4 heals in epics isn't worth the feat and all the AP I'm afraid.

I wish they regened, or were on a timer, instead of limited by number of uses...

Being able to spend some AP for mass heal would be nice too...

I'd love to see all the dragonmarks strengthened... They are an interesting twist to gameplay.

[Wanesa]

The Halfling dragomarks are fairly useful in the 1-20 game, but 4 heals in epics isn't worth the feat and all the AP I'm afraid.

I wish they regened, or were on a timer, instead of limited by number of uses...

Being able to spend some AP for mass heal would be nice too...

I'd love to see all the dragonmarks strengthened... They are an interesting twist to gameplay.

Still better than nothing. You can maximize or empower them. Maximize (+Empower) is best for least and lesser. Greater can be made stronger by Empower Healing. With PDKs heal amp it still can save you from death when healer is too slow.

you should have 8x CLW + 6x CSW + 4x Heal. If you Max least and lesser and with some spell power, you should be able to cure aprx 1300HP per rest (50clw, 100csw, 150heal)

[Thrudh]

Still better than nothing. You can maximize or empower them. Maximize (+Empower) is best for least and lesser. Greater can be made stronger by Empower Healing. With PDKs heal amp it still can save you from death when healer is too slow.

you should have 8x CLW + 6x CSW + 4x Heal. If you Max least and lesser and with some spell power, you should be able to cure aprx 1300HP per rest (50clw, 100csw, 150heal)

Yes, with healing amp and even just a little devotion/spell-power, you can get 400-500 point heals... But only 4 of them (use to be 5).

The 100 point CSW are still very useful in the 1-20 content, not so much in epic. That's my point...

I've had a Halfling with the healing dragonmarks for 5-6 years now. They are just becoming less and less useful. I was hoping this enhancement pass would buff them and make them more viable, not less. I think the dragonmark system is very cool, and would live to see all the dragonmarks get a little buffing.

[Wanesa]

Yes, with healing amp and even just a little devotion/spell-power, you can get 400-500 point heals... But only 4 of them (use to be 5).

The 100 point CSW are still very useful in the 1-20 content, not so much in epic. That's my point...

I've had a Halfling with the healing dragonmarks for 5-6 years now. They are just becoming less and less useful. I was hoping this enhancement pass would buff them and make them more viable, not less. I think the dragonmark system is very cool, and would live to see all the dragonmarks get a little buffing.

Do Empower, Maximize and Empower Healing stack?

There will be two feats slots free. I can fill them with something. Another free feat slot is after Toughness becomes not required for every build.