Wizard archmage Enchantments no longer able to pick a minor second school for slas.

[idle1]

Which will break alot of builds and drive even more people to being PM.

I play an illusionist/minor conjuration for the cheap web, for when stuff is immune to PK (alot more stuff than necro pm) and this change ruins my build as well as the (few) people who don't play PM alrdy.

People were already saying arch mage is weaker than pm outside rare evo wf am builds with out of lore destinys. The only way illusionist/aburation/transmution will be viable now is if you add more new spells.

Please revert this change and add option to pick a second school for level 1-2 slas, alot of people used this for cheap hypno or web. What advantage of a archmage (1dc?) over self healing, a stong pet and being able to insta kill?

[Iriale]

Well, a archmage can pick the pet too. And if you are warforged, better as a PM focused toon (you don't need spend action points in useless forms)

The archmage capstone is stronger than PM casptone, too. Now a wizard won't be archmage or PM, now a wizard must spread his points between the two trees. The general wizard enhacements are all in the archmage tree, for example.

I want general class trees, but this iteration is waaaay better. Spending between the two trees warforges and fleshies are good.

[quijenoth]

Want cheap hypno and web? can do that with scrolls and wands. If you want more cheap SLAs consider the Races instead of your class. Elves and Half-elves get some very nice SLAs like displacement, and now with the Free feat obtained from toughness you could take the dragonmark of a race for more.

This last thing is going to be the hardest thing for people to swallow, Toughness is such a staple on current live I found it quite hard not to select it as my first feat while creating characters.

[RadioactivePiranha]

Scrolls and wands have a DC much much lower than the actual spell. They don't cut it for a cheap web where there is no effect on save.

[quijenoth]

True but then not having SLAs is hardly a reason to scream doom. They are nice to have but I wouldn't base the effectiveness of a build on how few a spell points web costs me - not having web vs having web however would definitely cause issues. Thankfully you can still memorise the spell and its now far cheaper to reduce the Metamagic costs in the new enhancement system reducing the overall cost of spells globally.

[idle1]

Well as I said in my first post, I don't want to have to be a palemaster or spec in necromancy, for roleplay reasons for one, I'd think they'd be rather rare in lore, there should be another stong prestige options for the good hero. I have a bard for enchantment focus. There needs to be new spells if they insist on 1 school only archmages.

Weird, polymorph (insta kill for transmutation) (Some kind of banishment/teleport insta kill for abjuration) would be that easy to make schools a bit more viable, let necro have the aoe instant kills, and maybe make them slas, if you don't want wizards getting more general instant kills.

Whats the point of being a pure archmage anymore, pm got no real nerfs and it was stronger pres already. God help if pm was nerfed in same way Arch mage has, forums would explode but because few people play am outside the shilardi spam, this issue will mostly be ignored. Wands and scrolls don't cut it, unless they ever fix the dc issue.

I agree with second reply. Would have been nice if they had general class trees. Its not just about sp cost, its why did they remove it? At least a dev comment explaining why it was so overpowered? (lol) Many classes are getting lots of new slas, (yey caster arti) don't see wizard getting any.

(Excuse my english hehe tried to fix a long post.)

[zaphear]

Want cheap hypno and web? can do that with scrolls and wands.

lolwat.. Really now. Since when where either of those viable in any elite quest? DCs will never be high enough, specially with the current scaling.


I noticed this loss of SLA already.. it's terrible and I really hope it doesn't go live. Losing Web SLA is a death sentence for most viable Archmage builds.

[quijenoth]

lolwat.. Really now. Since when where either of those viable in any elite quest? DCs will never be high enough, specially with the current scaling.


I noticed this loss of SLA already.. it's terrible and I really hope it doesn't go live. Losing Web SLA is a death sentence for most viable Archmage builds.

Yeah ok so I was being sarcastic with the scroll wand thing. but really how does not having web as an SLA a death sentence....

Currently on live web costs 3 sp and your overall spell point pool is reduced by 100 (although you gain 100 from archmage pre) and costs you spell focus conjuration as a feat.

Currently on lam you don't need the feat and it costs you 15 sp to cast

Heightened to 9th it will cost you an extra 35 sps (50 total). with Efficient Heighten x2 that drops to 36 sp. with master of magic (AM) that's down to 19sp. Ive not tested it personally but I hear the efficient heighten from sorcerer stacks so you can possibly get heighten down to +0 sp cost.

same applies to quicken

so spellpoints might be an issue - or are they...

currently on live wizards gain 110 spell points from energy of the scholar enhancements.

on Lam a wizard can spend 75 AP in archmage tree getting +2 sp per point (+150) energy of the scholar grants an additional +90 for an extra 130sp over live.

I could analyse this further and look at what an AM sacrifices to get a secondary SLA web compared to lam but people have already mentioned the changes to wizards and spell power.


Now on the flip side I do personally feel they need to re-evaluate some of the spell choices for the SLAs. As a core ability some are pretty lame (looking at necromancy) and it would be nice if they got boosted to 1st 3rd 5th 7th then 8th or 9th level spells on some of the schools.

Id like to see
Abjuration: Shield, Protection from Energy, Dismissal, Banishment, Mordenkainen's Disjunction
Conjuration: Mage Armor, Web, Stoneskin, Acid Fog, Greater Teleport, Summon Monster IX
Enchantment: Hypnotism, Heroism, Hold Monster, Hold Person Mass, Dominate Monster
Evocation: Magic Missle, Fireball, Cyclonic Blast, Prismatic Spray, Meteor Swarm
Illusion: Hypnotic Pattern, Displacement, Phantasmal Killer, Shadow walk, Invisibility Mass (god they need more illusion spells in this game!)
Necromancy: Cause Fear, Halt Undead, Waves of Fatigue, Finger of Death, Energy Drain
Transmutation: Jump, Knock, Haste, Stone to Flesh, Flesh to Stone