The Official Shadar-Kai Iconic Discussion Thread!

[SqueakofDoom]

Please use this thread to discuss the Shadar-Kai Iconic.

The Shadar-Kai Iconic's Enhancements are also being discussed here.

[Lilliana]

Edit: I have re-posted my post in the bug forum.

[JarinDearly]

This might be the best place to ask this, soo... I noticed that there isn't an extra feat, nor any extra skill points like a regular human might receive. Is this a Faerun specific thing or a Shadar-Kai specific thing??

[UurlockYgmeov]

I talked to Elminster - but didn't complete the chat - then completed leveling.... when I went back wouldn't let me finish the chat with him.

Also why no Feather Fall on the Iconics gear(Bladeforged and Shadarkai) ? Shardarkai I understand because of tumble....

Also - Risk / Reward - Flawless white dragon armor? These daggers are ML:15 and to get the full benefit need a ml:20 armor that requires Heroic Commendations?

[UurlockYgmeov]

Also - why the smallest bags? Why not the medium bags (blue green red) that can be already bought in game with plat....

Aren't the iconics supposed to be - I need a character - lv15 - don't have the time ---

[ComicRelief]

While creating a new Shdra-Kai, I noticed that they are in fact considered "human", but only get one feat at level 1. Now, I realize that it is an iconic class, but since they are considered "human" (and you cannot select any other race), I was expecting to recieve the standard, human bonus feat. Because, you know, they are "human".

I'm sure it is WAI (and it's not a game-breaker), but still - "human" is "human" so don't they deserve the bonus feat that "all" humans get?


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Edit: Nija'd!

[ComicRelief]

Again, probably WAI, but I am disappointed at the lack of visual customization that is available as to how the Shadra-Kai "look". Especially hair styles/colors (from blonde to black, but no greens, reds, blues, or even white). No eye color customization. A total of 5 hair styles, all of which are some form of shaved. No facial hair at all.

Now, granted, since it is an iconic class, there may be something in lore (and I will freely admit I know nothing about the Shadra-Kai lore) about "how" they look, but from my perspective, they are assassins and at leaset some assassins would prefer to "blend in". Kind of hard to "blend in" when everything about you screems "I AM AN ASSASSIN!" and have such clearly distictive markings. Keep the mandatory scars - but how about at least a few more hair styles, especially for the female versions.

[dejafu]

Again, probably WAI, but I am disappointed at the lack of visual customization that is available as to how the Shadra-Kai "look". Especially hair styles/colors (from blonde to black, but no greens, reds, blues, or even white). No eye color customization. A total of 5 hair styles, all of which are some form of shaved. No facial hair at all.

Now, granted, since it is an iconic class, there may be something in lore (and I will freely admit I know nothing about the Shadra-Kai lore) about "how" they look, but from my perspective, they are assassins and at leaset some assassins would prefer to "blend in". Kind of hard to "blend in" when everything about you screems "I AM AN ASSASSIN!" and have such clearly distictive markings. Keep the mandatory scars - but how about at least a few more hair styles, especially for the female versions.

Shadar-Kai are a human offshoot race that consistently engage in painful ritual body modification as a way of keeping themselves grounded in the emotionally deadening Shadowfell/Plane of Shadow. Seriously. They're that emo.

Though I have to admit, as silly as an all-emo race sounds, I actually like the visual appearance options quite a bit - they're very distinctive, no question about it. But a few more hair options would be good, yeah (I'm assuming store-bought hair styles work on them, but still). And if you're going to leave us with only one look available for the eyes, why not make them entirely black - pure black eyes with no whites seems thematically appropriate.

[FranOhmsford]

Shadar-Kai are a human offshoot race that consistently engage in painful ritual body modification as a way of keeping themselves grounded in the emotionally deadening Shadowfell/Plane of Shadow. Seriously. They're that emo.

Though I have to admit, as silly as an all-emo race sounds, I actually like the visual appearance options quite a bit - they're very distinctive, no question about it. But a few more hair options would be good, yeah (I'm assuming store-bought hair styles work on them, but still). And if you're going to leave us with only one look available for the eyes, why not make them entirely black - pure black eyes with no whites seems thematically appropriate.

All Emos/Goths etc are NOT PUNKS!
Seriously - Go to a Rock Concert/Festival and look for Shaved Hair Styles like Mohawks and the Hair on one side only - These are a Tiny Minority!

I realise that every single song/band has to be compartmentalised to a specific GENRE!
I realise that Mods are supposed to hate Rockers {I like The Small Faces AND Status Quo thank you very much!}
I realise that Blur Fans and Oasis Fans aren't supposed to get along {guess what I BOUGHT both Country House AND Roll With It as Singles!}
I realise that admitting to liking The Black Album BUT disliking Metallica's earlier stuff is akin to starting World III!
BUT
Is this really something that should be pushed by Turbine?
Are we really going to start having players branded as Emo's simply for playing a Shadar-Kai?
We're finally getting to the point where we're able to play FEMALE Characters WITHOUT Being instantly branded as ...... {you know very well}.

When My Chemical Romance first appeared on the scene they were INSTANTLY Branded Emo Band Uncool to like!
Guess what - Their Music's actually pretty d@rn good!


ONLY ONE Look for Eyes is BAD too!

P.S. There is a Shadar Kai Witch in the Movie Dungeons & Dragons: The Book of Vile Darkness - And She DOES NOT have a Shaved Hair Style!



I was particularly annoyed by the lack of choices in Bladeforged Faces {Spikes, Spikes and MORE Spikes!} - In fact there's only ONE Usable choice for me {Guess What = NO Spikes!}.

Come on Devs - DDO is far in advance of the other MMO's I've tried to play {LotRo, Allods, SW:TOR, Neverwinter} when it comes to character customization and Graphics!
IN FACT: Whenever I read/hear someone say how great the graphics are in new games like SW:TOR and Neverwinter I'm ASTONISHED!
Cos to me they're not in the same league as DDOs!

More choices for Character Customization is good!
LESS IS BAD!
Get it?

[JarinDearly]

While creating a new Shdra-Kai, I noticed that they are in fact considered "human", but only get one feat at level 1. Now, I realize that it is an iconic class, but since they are considered "human" (and you cannot select any other race), I was expecting to recieve the standard, human bonus feat. Because, you know, they are "human".

I'm sure it is WAI (and it's not a game-breaker), but still - "human" is "human" so don't they deserve the bonus feat that "all" humans get?


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Edit: Nija'd!

I completely agree. But, just in the wondering sort of way...

[hi_sa1nt]

99 action points for Whirling Chain?!?! No thanks.

[Caeremon]

I noticed when creating the shadar kai character that in the description it mentions the shadar kai starts with more dex and less wisdom
when looking at the points prior to spending the 32 pts I noticed that while dex did start at 10
I noticed it was 6 charisma and 8 wis. is this a typo or the way its meant to be?

[WargamerIV]

Two comments:

The spiked chain use clicky looks too much like an always active ability octagon, not a square clicky.

Someone hit me for damage in town where normally you can't hurt others (this was in Wheloon, near the quest givers.

[Vargouille]

- Shadar-kai is human for the purposes of items and effects, but they aren't actually human per se. You don't need massive UMD to use Race Restricted: Human items, for instance. They are not considered human in terms of character creation. They get +2 to Dexterity and -2 Charisma (there is a text bug saying Wisdom).

[Alistina]

There is supposed to be some set bonus to dual wielding both the starter dagger it seems. I am getting an icon where all the set bonuses are shown, its got a dragon like image, but it has incomplete description, says it gives 0.5 (Exactly 0.5 of what is missing)