The One Fund Memorial Ribbon is now available!

[phillymiket]

I applaud the effort, but the implementation is just messy.

You say that you're making a corporate donation that has nothing to do with how many ribbons are sold vs given for free, meaning that the 100TP that people spend goes right into the Turbine coffers.

You say you can't sell it for 1 TP. You can't put the code into the description. It's like you want people to spend 100 TP on this so Turbine can make money off of this effort, which I do not agree with. All proceeds from this should go directly to the charity and not to Turbine. If you can't legally do that, remove the ribbons from the store so people are not fooled into thinking that perhaps their 100 TP is a donation in some way.

If you cannot legally find a way to get that spent TP into the 1 fund, then why not just give every toon a ribbon for free like what was done with the birthday cakes? Surely you have the tech to do that if you can't give it away in the store.

This situation, which should have been something respectable has turned into another money making machine. Whether it was intended or not, that is what it looks like to me and it's sickening.

They certainly can just say "We will donate <X> dollars for each ribbon sold in the store".

Someone could just say it right now and make it so.

They could say "Sorry it wasn't more clear but that was our intention all along".

I would gladly suspend disbelief right now and stand and cheer the effort.

Please do so.

[~karatekid]

...but due to various technicalities...

I am starting to find the frequency of this phrase and near-clones of it (technical difficulties, etc) being used by Turbine humorous.

[~redspecter23-A]

They certainly can just say "We will donate <X> dollars for each ribbon sold in the store".

Someone could just say it right now and make it so.

They could say "Sorry it wasn't more clear but that was our intention all along".

I would gladly suspend disbelief right now and stand and cheer the effort.

Please do so.

I think that would be a great thing to do. I'd immediately go and spend 100 TP on a ribbon if it had some effect on a donation somewhere. As it currently does not, it's a pretty shady way to make a buck. I think they should remove it from the store until they decide that it will contribute to a donation or until they can make it 100% free.

[~Absolution1]

I hope the concern is being communicated up the chain.

[~Lorien_]

Not to go off-topic, but I have never said such a thing, and if it was said by someone else, it would be an inaccurate statement.

Really? It was said repeatedly in the past that only 5-10% ever visited the forums.

Just out of curiosity, what is the participation rate based on your stats?

[~Lorien_]

To address a couple of folks' concerns: We are making a donation to The One Fund. If you choose not to use a coupon for the item, that purchase does not directly affect the donation we're making, which is why we were careful not to state it as such in our description of the effort. Initially, that was the plan, but various legal and technical hurdles prevented us from going that route. Instead, we're simply making a donation at the corporate level to the fund. Details will be forthcoming when it's all worked out.

Now THAT is unfortunate.

You just scammed people. Unintentionally or not, you scammed people. Every 100TP/$1 you collect that way is done through taking advantage of your customer's and their feelings about the incident.

Guess I was right to be mad earlier on.

[seebs]

So, if I'm reading this right, you can't directly donate the revenue of the ribbons, so instead you're donating a sum of money at the corporate level and then using the revenue of the ribbons to compensate some/all of the losses?

That's fine I guess, at least you're donating stuff. Is the size of the donation(s) you're giving going to be giving affected by sales of the ribbon?

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

[Cableman]

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

Thanks for saying this, I couldn't agree more!

[rest]

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

I can hardly wait to see what they do for the folks who were impacted by the West, Texas tragedy.

[phillymiket]

I think the difficulty here is that TP aren't money, and they don't have a consistent monetary value.

Say I go to the Turbine store, spend $5, get points, and spend those points buying 5 ribbons. Clearly, they've gotten $5 or so from sale of ribbons, right?

Now say instead I roll a bunch of alts on servers I've not been active on, and run each of them around farming favor until I get 100 TP per server from favor bonuses. And now I buy 5 ribbons. How much did they get from the sale of those ribbons?

My actual DDO account has, at the moment, some number of Turbine Points. Among them:
* Points I got from favor.
* Points I bought. Does it matter that I bought them during a 3x bonus points sale?
* Points I bought as part of a pack along with the expansion pack.
* Points I get for being a VIP.

Please advise: What is the correct dollar value for them to donate if I buy 5 ribbons using these points?

Keep in mind, if they claim they are donating "the proceeds", they have to be able to prove that the number they picked is correct. People could threaten them with legal hassle. Say they just average out the dollars I've spent and the points I have left. And then I threaten them with legal action, because while their average is about right, I feel that the points I spent back when I first started playing were obviously all from the much cheaper per-point pool I got when I bought the expansion pack, so now I expect them to be weighting this heavily towards the more-expensive points from my VIP subscription, which I believe should be priced as $10 per 500 points, because it's $10/month and I am getting 500 points and since I haven't logged in much the entire $10 has gone into getting those 500 points.

Basically, I don't see a way they can do this that isn't a huge nightmare to work out. If they donate less than about a buck per ribbon, people who buy small amounts of points to donate will feel like they're being scammed. If they donate most of a buck per ribbon, they lose a ton of money from all the people whose points were probably quite a bit cheaper.

Solution: They donate money, and they accept points for ribbons if you wanna contribute something, but you can get ribbons free if you have any worries about it.

Frankly, it sounds fine to me.

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

Ok.

I get your point.

I hope you can understand my point.

Which is, they have presented this in a way that seems deceptive and is sloppy as all get up.

I am not doubting their motives but WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?!?

You get NOTHING from this purchase!

NOTHING!

SOMEBODY should have realized when they couldn't offer the item for free that it must be rethought rather than push it through.

Like you said, THEY ARE IN BOSTON!

Someone should have thought about the appearance of having the 100 TP go to profit and said "This could be taken the wrong way. There are emotions of the highest magnitude involved here. We MUST be careful on this."

I get your point about the intention.

But the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The clumsiness involved here is grand and they deserve these tongue lashings and more and should correct the issue post haste.

My company does charity events all the time.

We are very clear exactly what proceeds go to the charity (like maybe a door charge) and word things in a way that it is CLEAR that other things go to bills and profit (like maybe bar sales).

That is NOT the time for carefully worded sales copy that leads you down the wrong road.

You just can't drop the ball and not be careful when you appear to be collecting for a charity.

And if you ARE NOT collecting for charity then you must be clear on that!

You have a RESPONSIBILITY because if you do it wrong or are deceptive then peoples money goes TO YOU instead of an organization that ACTUALLY CAN help.

As far as the complaints of the ribbon or memorial being there at all I say GIVE ME A BREAK.

The companies fiends and neighbors were blown up!

I would hope you would do something similar if this had happened next door to your company, knock on wood.

[seebs]

I can hardly wait to see what they do for the folks who were impacted by the West, Texas tragedy.

I wasn't aware Turbine was in West, Texas. I thought they were in Boston.

People care more about stuff that's near them. This is not a horrible thing.

[seebs]

Ok.

I get your point.

I hope you can understand my point.

Which is, they have presented this in a way that seems deceptive and is sloppy as all get up.

See, that's the thing. It doesn't seem deceptive to me. I thought about whether they could donate the proceeds, realized it was obviously impossible, and figured they'd donate money but that there'd be no way they could establish whether the amount was "the proceeds" or not.

You get NOTHING from this purchase!

A cosmetic item isn't quite NOTHING.

SOMEBODY should have realized when they couldn't offer the item for free that it must be rethought rather than push it through.

Well, they do have the coupon. But as noted, they don't seem to have a thing for 0-point base costs. Which is sort of weird, but hey, it happens.

We are very clear exactly what proceeds go to the charity (like maybe a door charge) and word things in a way that it is CLEAR that other things go to bills and profit (like maybe bar sales).

Well, that's because it's possible for it to be clear. Because you are actually collecting money.

You have a RESPONSIBILITY because if you do it wrong or are deceptive then peoples money goes TO YOU instead of an organization that ACTUALLY CAN help.

I basically agree, except that in this case, I think it's pretty clear that what will actually happen is, whatever the apparent-value of all the ribbons bought is, they'll donate more than that to charity. But there'll be no meaningful way to define the value so that everyone can agree on what happened to "the proceeds".

So basically: I think that, if there were any way to give a clear and unambiguously correct answer to the question "what are the proceeds of this sale, anyway?" they would have gone with that. But there isn't. So they're doing the best they can to get something happening. Something where they give money to charity and they solicit memorial contributions, and do their best to make that line up without saying anything that'd create legal action problems.

Maybe it's clumsy, but frankly, I can't think of any case I've seen where someone did better when their business model involved "points" of no fixed dollar value.

[~usernameanon]

I wasn't aware Turbine was in West, Texas. I thought they were in Boston.

People care more about stuff that's near them. This is not a horrible thing.

Then collect donations from the office people, not from the game.
Turbine powered by the fans, we don't say that, Turbine does. But now with them not donating a set amount and obviously not going to make a shrine for "the fans" who Turbine wouldn't be here without for each horrific event that happens. This has no place in a game.


Turbine has yet to say they will even "donate" a greater amount then they will make off of 100TP sales. For all we as fans know they will "donate" $10,000 to the fund, while we as players as a whole spend $500,000 on the ribbons. It's just wrong.

[seebs]

This has no place in a game.

You are welcome to play soulless games in which there is no hint of the people who create them. I'd rather not.

[yhelm123]

Look. I'm just gonna eat the forum warning or something if this gets hit by the mods, but I gotta say it.

For ****'s sake, people. The people at Turbine are living someplace that just got hit by ****ING BOMBS. There are a whole heck of a lot of people in Boston who know someone who is missing one or more limbs now that they weren't missing a month ago. The chances are not bad at all that some of the people you're picking on were within a block or two of a ****ing terrorist attack. And you are sitting here trying to argue that this is some kind of horrible cash grab.

I would be really, really, surprised if the net result of all this were that Turbine ends up "profiting". My guess is that they'll donate more money than they take in, even disregarding the costs of the development work and the extra time and effort. And that since it's impossible (as in, literally, there is no way to do it) to come up with a universally-agreed estimate of the value of the points spent, there will be no way for them to ever "prove" to anyone's satisfaction that they really did just donate some money to people in need because people they know have been hurt.

And this? This is really, really, sad. It is pathetic that y'all are jumping on them for being people. How dare they! How dare they have emotions. How dare they care about their community. How dare they act out of emotion rather than fully planning out the details in advance and making sure no one would object!

Screw. You. I am happy with what they're doing, I trust them to be acting in good faith, and I think I'm gonna go buy some points and some ribbons just so that they know that somewhere, somehow, at least one person is not busy trying to accuse anyone who acts out of emotion of running some kind of scam.

(Sorry, mods. I have considered, and I do not feel I can tone this down further. If you have the time, please edit out what you have to and leave the rest, 'k?)

Thank you for saying what I have been thinking this entire thread. What does it matter to anyone if they want to do something nice for their community? Just move on, people. Let them have a moment to deal with the emotions that effected them, their loved ones, and their coworkers. You can get back to complaining about the new forums.

[phillymiket]

See, that's the thing. It doesn't seem deceptive to me. I thought about whether they could donate the proceeds, realized it was obviously impossible, and figured they'd donate money but that there'd be no way they could establish whether the amount was "the proceeds" or not.



A cosmetic item isn't quite NOTHING.



Well, they do have the coupon. But as noted, they don't seem to have a thing for 0-point base costs. Which is sort of weird, but hey, it happens.



Well, that's because it's possible for it to be clear. Because you are actually collecting money.



I basically agree, except that in this case, I think it's pretty clear that what will actually happen is, whatever the apparent-value of all the ribbons bought is, they'll donate more than that to charity. But there'll be no meaningful way to define the value so that everyone can agree on what happened to "the proceeds".

So basically: I think that, if there were any way to give a clear and unambiguously correct answer to the question "what are the proceeds of this sale, anyway?" they would have gone with that. But there isn't. So they're doing the best they can to get something happening. Something where they give money to charity and they solicit memorial contributions, and do their best to make that line up without saying anything that'd create legal action problems.

Maybe it's clumsy, but frankly, I can't think of any case I've seen where someone did better when their business model involved "points" of no fixed dollar value.

Sorry, I disagree.

"Enter the coupon code 'Boston' to receive 10 free ribbons per account. Turbine has made a generous donation to The One Fund. Proceeds from the sales of this ribbon cover the cost of creating the ribbon and in-game memorial and do not go to The One Fund."

That pretty much covers it.

THAT is honest, straight forward and clear.

Don't give me that hogwash about it being impossible to do it any way but how it was done.

[~usernameanon]

You are welcome to play soulless games in which there is no hint of the people who create them. I'd rather not.

That's not even the issue. The issue is Why not me? Why not you? When is enough a enough?

Why is there nothing to "honor" the dead from the Texas explosion weeks ago? I'm sure Turbine has "fans" who live there.
We have a great many Chinese players. Why no "memorial" to honor the 21 dead from there recent "terrorist attack"?

I can keep listing and listing about where and when, and how those people will never get a memorial ingame.

That's the exact reason this type of thing DOESN'T belong ingame. And by using the excuse of Turbine being located in the Boston area, is just that, an excuse.

[phillymiket]

That's not even the issue. The issue is Why not me? Why not you? When is enough a enough?

Why is there nothing to "honor" the dead from the Texas explosion weeks ago? I'm sure Turbine has "fans" who live there.
We have a great many Chinese players. Why no "memorial" to honor the 21 dead from there recent "terrorist attack"?

I can keep listing and listing about where and when, and how those people will never get a memorial ingame.

That's the exact reason this type of thing DOESN'T belong ingame. And by using the excuse of Turbine being located in the Boston area, is just that, an excuse.

Because charity starts at home.

I'm sure local companies in Texas are doing things for the victims of the explosion and not for the Boston event.

As well they should.

Besides this being a local and personal issue for Turbine there is the fact that we're talking about Boston here.

They look out for each other.

That's how they roll.

Let them do their thing.

[~usernameanon]

Because charity starts at home.

I'm sure local companies in Texas are doing things for the victims of the explosion and not for the Boston event.

As well they should.

Besides this being a local and personal issue for Turbine there is the fact that we're talking about Boston here.

They look out for each other.

That's how they roll.

Let them do their thing.

And you just made one of my points. If charity starts at home, ask around the office, don't ask from the playerbase AROUND the world. Especially if you are not going to ask around the world for other "horrific" events.

[seebs]

That's not even the issue. The issue is Why not me?

Because you aren't the entire staff of the company.

Why is there nothing to "honor" the dead from the Texas explosion weeks ago?

Because Turbine isn't there, either.

That's the exact reason this type of thing DOESN'T belong ingame. And by using the excuse of Turbine being located in the Boston area, is just that, an excuse.

No, it's a reason.

Seriously, what the heck. How many funerals do you go to? How many of them are for people you've never met, and don't have any prior experience of or connection to?

Ever wonder why people mostly go to funerals for people they know?

The people making the game were affected by this, so they're acting on that. Look, seriously. I have a clinical diagnosis for my difficulties figuring out what people who aren't me are experiencing, what's your excuse?