Artificers should have Returning projectiles

[Vengeance777]

There seems to be some confusion.

The proposal is to add the Returning prefix to the Conjured bolt spell already in the game not to add action points in trees to the game to accomplish this.

Instead of conjuring a stack of 1000 +1 through +6 bolts an Artificers Conjure Bolts spell would conjure 100 Returning +1 through +6 Bolts like arcane archers do with arrows. This tech is already in the game. Arcane Archers summon stacks of 100 Returning Arrows of different types already theres no reason Artificers shouldn't be able to as well.

When Arties first came out bolts were Conjured in stacks of 100 per use of the spell. So it took forever to make bolts before going into a quest. It was annoying and a stupid hindrance. A Dev that played arty agreed and changed the spell to Summon 1000 instead of 100 to save time.

Players would now like to see this further simplified to summon returners instead. Mainly because in long quests and raids, especially Epic Elites its common to go through several stacks of 1000 bolts leading to incidents of running out of ammo during the quest. Its no more overpowered or unbalancing than Arcane Archers summoning returning ammo.

If you must find a way to ensure we keep the spell in our spell slot make it so the bolts disappear when entering and leaving quests. I would gladly cast it once per quest to keep the rare occurrence of running out of bolts mid fusillade from happening ever again.

[chanw4]

There seems to be some confusion.

The proposal is to add the Returning prefix to the Conjured bolt spell already in the game not to add action points in trees to the game to accomplish this.

Instead of conjuring a stack of 1000 +1 through +6 bolts an Artificers Conjure Bolts spell would conjure 100 Returning +1 through +6 Bolts like arcane archers do with arrows. This tech is already in the game. Arcane Archers summon stacks of 100 Returning Arrows of different types already theres no reason Artificers shouldn't be able to as well.

When Arties first came out bolts were Conjured in stacks of 100 per use of the spell. So it took forever to make bolts before going into a quest. It was annoying and a stupid hindrance. A Dev that played arty agreed and changed the spell to Summon 1000 instead of 100 to save time.

Players would now like to see this further simplified to summon returners instead. Mainly because in long quests and raids, especially Epic Elites its common to go through several stacks of 1000 bolts leading to incidents of running out of ammo during the quest. Its no more overpowered or unbalancing than Arcane Archers summoning returning ammo.

If you must find a way to ensure we keep the spell in our spell slot make it so the bolts disappear when entering and leaving quests. I would gladly cast it once per quest to keep the rare occurrence of running out of bolts mid fusillade from happening ever again.

Summon returning bolt is a good idea. The OP didn't really specify what he is adding to so i think many simply think the OP was talking about adding another summon projectiles ability which could include arrows etc.

they could just make it like flameblade where the blade would disappear upon changing instance.

[maddmatt70]

There seems to be some confusion.

The proposal is to add the Returning prefix to the Conjured bolt spell already in the game not to add action points in trees to the game to accomplish this.

Instead of conjuring a stack of 1000 +1 through +6 bolts an Artificers Conjure Bolts spell would conjure 100 Returning +1 through +6 Bolts like arcane archers do with arrows. This tech is already in the game. Arcane Archers summon stacks of 100 Returning Arrows of different types already theres no reason Artificers shouldn't be able to as well.

When Arties first came out bolts were Conjured in stacks of 100 per use of the spell. So it took forever to make bolts before going into a quest. It was annoying and a stupid hindrance. A Dev that played arty agreed and changed the spell to Summon 1000 instead of 100 to save time.

Players would now like to see this further simplified to summon returners instead. Mainly because in long quests and raids, especially Epic Elites its common to go through several stacks of 1000 bolts leading to incidents of running out of ammo during the quest. Its no more overpowered or unbalancing than Arcane Archers summoning returning ammo.

If you must find a way to ensure we keep the spell in our spell slot make it so the bolts disappear when entering and leaving quests. I would gladly cast it once per quest to keep the rare occurrence of running out of bolts mid fusillade from happening ever again.

Oh I know exactly what the OP was talking about. Now returning bolts is fine, but returning projectiles is not. Artificers use crossbows. My guildies often complained about having to manage bolts and how annoying that is.

[Carpone]

Now returning bolts is fine, but returning projectiles is not. Artificers use crossbows.

If devs didn't want Artificers using arrows, then they'd only have access to Flame Bolts instead of Flame Arrow. Character diversity is a huge draw to DDO compared to other MMOs. Pigeon holing concepts to your world view isn't the game I want to play.

[maddmatt70]

If devs didn't want Artificers using arrows, then they'd only have access to Flame Bolts instead of Flame Arrow. Character diversity is a huge draw to DDO compared to other MMOs. Pigeon holing concepts to your world view isn't the game I want to play.

Yeah you go play some other MMO and I will play Dungeons and Dragons Online a game based on the Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 rule set.

[WruntJunior]

Yeah you go play some other MMO and I will play Dungeons and Dragons Online a game based on the Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 rule set.

Because we're adhering so hard to the 3.5e rule set now.

[Viisari]

Yeah you go play some other MMO and I will play Dungeons and Dragons Online a game based on the Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 rule set.

I would ask you to fill the following form with an "X" in what you feel is the closest match:

Are you:

[ ] Troll
[ ] Idiot
[ ] Butthurt
[ ] Mad & Jelly
[ ] Just enjoy making stuff up
[ ] Have no idea of what Dungeons and Dragons is about

If you feel that you fill several of these then feel free to X several of them but do note that at least one must be crossed.

Also I'd like you to answer honestly, at this point it's clear that at at least one of these is true, probably several.

[seebs]

Yeah you go play some other MMO and I will play Dungeons and Dragons Online a game based on the Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 rule set.

So, PRR = based on 3.5, artificer choosing to use a bow instead of a crossbow for character reasons = not based on 3.5?