Clerics are now Hjealbots

[Loromir]

I also won't be taking that domain.

...I will probably be telling raid groups that I have taken it, however. Because I expect that most raids will be demanding "Hjeal domain Cleric/FvS" in the LFM.

I doubt that...Clerics will still be in high demand regardless of domain. It's difficult to get Clerics in raids now as it is. I have a few times where I have had to ask the Pallys and Rangers to backup heal for the one Cleric we could actually get to join.

In the end...people will still expect Clerics to be nannybots regardless of domain.

[WruntJunior]

Forgot to mention...this ability also apparently makes you unable to crit with any spells that don't do positive energy. >_>

[jortann]

Surely, the sky is falling......

[Ape_Man]

Is it a toggle? Is it an option?

If so, why the panic.

Premature d000m, 15 yard penalty.

[Renvar]

Lol. People have been begging for cleric domains for years. Now that they come out the first thread about them is negative. Of course the healing domain focus will include a weakness in offensive.

What? Maybe you were thinking a healing domain should also have a bonus to offensive spellpower, DC's on Evocations and necromancy, and +1[w] on melee damage?

Isn't the whole point of domains that you get a bonus in one area and a reduction in another due to extreme focus?

Geez. Everybody wants something for nothing these days.

[Pape_27]

I also won't be taking that domain.

...I will probably be telling raid groups that I have taken it, however. Because I expect that most raids will be demanding "Hjeal domain Cleric/FvS" in the LFM.

and the pigeonholing has begun. ty for making my point.

[WruntJunior]

Lol. People have been begging for cleric domains for years. Now that they come out the first thread about them is negative. Of course the healing domain focus will include a weakness in offensive.

What? Maybe you were thinking a healing domain should also have a bonus to offensive spellpower, DC's on Evocations and necromancy, and +1[w] on melee damage?

Isn't the whole point of domains that you get a bonus in one area and a reduction in another due to extreme focus?

Geez. Everybody wants something for nothing these days.

Only problem is, the only options now are "healing domain" and "protection domain". As of now, it IS pigeon-holing....it'll be different, perhaps, when there's more options, though.

[Gkar]

Lol. People have been begging for cleric domains for years. Now that they come out the first thread about them is negative. Of course the healing domain focus will include a weakness in offensive.

How do you figure that was obvious? That isn't a feature of D&D cleric domains.

D&D 3.5 domains ADD abilities (with the most interesting domains often being ones that are NOT healing oriented) They do not take ANYTHING away from your existing abilities, its a pure add on. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/clericDomains.htm

(Personally I want Death Domain on my cleric )

[Hendrik]

Lol. People have been begging for cleric domains for years. Now that they come out the first thread about them is negative. Of course the healing domain focus will include a weakness in offensive.

What? Maybe you were thinking a healing domain should also have a bonus to offensive spellpower, DC's on Evocations and necromancy, and +1[w] on melee damage?

Isn't the whole point of domains that you get a bonus in one area and a reduction in another due to extreme focus?

Geez. Everybody wants something for nothing these days.

Run for the hills!

CLRs that specialize in Healing and take the Healing Domain are going to be Healing!

End of the world stuff here! Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria, you know, doom and all.

Whats next?!?! Ranger tree's that specialize in Bow and Arrow and FTR tree's that specialize in melee combat?!?!?

[Lilliana]

Lol. People have been begging for cleric domains for years. Now that they come out the first thread about them is negative. Of course the healing domain focus will include a weakness in offensive.

What? Maybe you were thinking a healing domain should also have a bonus to offensive spellpower, DC's on Evocations and necromancy, and +1[w] on melee damage?

Isn't the whole point of domains that you get a bonus in one area and a reduction in another due to extreme focus?

Geez. Everybody wants something for nothing these days.

The Domains I used in 3.5 were an addition, I don't remember many having a penalty. And they gave a selection of extra spells per day from a specific domain list.

I don't think we should call the cleric trees for Domains, since it's just an enhancement tree just like other classes have trees. It's a bit cheap to call the cleric enhancement trees for domains and say 'hey, you finally got domains!' :P So far we have 2 trees, healing and protection and that is it.

The pacifism ability mentioned in this thread is thankfully a toggle, but it's not a free ability. You have to pay AP's for it and you have to pay for it to continue further up in the core abilities.

I feel much more forced in my choices now compared to the old enhancements. But let us see, perhaps things can still change.

[anivaj]

Run for the hills!

CLRs that specialize in Healing and take the Healing Domain are going to be Healing!

End of the world stuff here! Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria, you know, doom and all.

Whats next?!?! Ranger tree's that specialize in Bow and Arrow and FTR tree's that specialize in melee combat?!?!?

DDOs main appeal is customization and variability. Making the enhancements further require us to specialize would be turning DDO into another WoW clone...

[Viisari]

Is it a toggle? Is it an option?

If so, why the panic.

Premature d000m, 15 yard penalty.

It's a toggle.

This thread is stupid.

[anivaj]

It's a toggle.

This thread is stupid.

A toggle that may very well be expected in EE raids, which is exactly what the OP is worried about. Being rejected from raids due to not wanting to go full healbot is not what most want. Everyone knows you never go FULL healbot

[Viisari]

A toggle that may very well be expected in EE raids, which is exactly what the OP is worried about. Being rejected from raids due to not wanting to go full healbot is not what most want. Everyone knows you never go FULL healbot

Meh, healing isn't really a problem for current EE raiding, most of the stuff that actually kills you doesn't leave much chance for healing...

For EH you hardly even need healing.

[anivaj]

Meh, healing isn't really a problem for current EE raiding, most of the stuff that actually kills you doesn't leave much chance for healing...

For EH you hardly even need healing.

For current EE raids you are correct, but you actually think the way DDO is going, with the ever increasing need to specialize, that eventually some raids will need this clicky to ensure better success?

Try a CitW EE after losing your sp and only relying on bursts and auras. With this toggle it might be doable, without it probably not. So either you waste pots or reenter. Making one person of the same class be significantly less efficient at the classes main ability is not a step in the right direction.

[teh_meh]

This pass is still miles out. "Clerics are now" what they currently are. Too many posts in here from shears exploiters and the unemployed with nothing to do now that Oprah was taken off the air. Calm down.

Conversation belongs in Lama, where it is useful. Putting it here is pathetic Kardashian-style pandering for forum drama.

As always, play the game or don't. It has an on/off switch and your lives are fading away one day at a time regardless.

[Aashrym]

It's a toggle.

This thread is stupid.

I concur.

It's a toggle for a bonus to healing at the expense of melee and other spells. A person just toggles it on for dedicated healing if desired or ignores using it.

[Chai]

and the pigeonholing has begun. ty for making my point.

Nope.

With OPTIONS, there is no pigeonholing. Someone CAN (not has to) take an enhancement that allows them to TOGGLE (not always on) an ability that increases power in one ability while lowering power in another ability. So even if they CHOOSE (a choice? sweet) to take it, it can be turned ON or OFF situationally when more healing power is desired -vs- when more offense power is desired.

[azrael4h]

I also won't be taking that domain.

...I will probably be telling raid groups that I have taken it, however. Because I expect that most raids will be demanding "Hjeal domain Cleric/FvS" in the LFM.

I can see the LFMs now...

Shroud Normal, Need two Healing Domain Clerics only, Levels 25-28.

[Chai]

For current EE raids you are correct, but you actually think the way DDO is going, with the ever increasing need to specialize, that eventually some raids will need this clicky to ensure better success?

Try a CitW EE after losing your sp and only relying on bursts and auras. With this toggle it might be doable, without it probably not. So either you waste pots or reenter. Making one person of the same class be significantly less efficient at the classes main ability is not a step in the right direction.

There isnt an ever increasing need to specialize. In fact its quite the opposite. Those who do specialize end up not being able to contribute as well in quests where their specialty isnt viable for whatever reason. The game is seeing alot more builds that can fill alot more roles than it used to pre expansion.