It's Spring! how long before the Enchancement Beta comes to Lamannia?

[Aelonwy]

I don't know how long this has been the case, because I haven't completely respeced a character's enhancements in ages but just yesterday I respeced by 23rd level clerics enhancements and noticed that her prestige enhancements gave no list or indication whatsoever as to the requirements to achieve them (good thing I wrote her previous enhancemnts down). This was with even Show Unavailable checked. Also most or all of the possible enhancements that use Turn Undead charges such as Cleric Divine Light, Cleric Divine Might, Cleric Divine Cleansing were all labled Unknown and had to be opened to see what they actually did. I had Collapse All checked for quick viewing purposes when I noticed this. This was on the live server.


I hope this was just because it was a respec. If not, than if anyone new to the game was trying to acquire their cleric prestige enhancement they'd have to research the requirements from some other source than the enhancements themselves.

[Cetus]

I really hope that with the amount of time and hype devoted to this, turbine delivers a robust, high quality system.

Hell, there's even a pinch of optimism in me about the possibility of an epic level redesign, giving us the much more interesting capacity to splash the actual levels with other classes, rather than sticking to a generic leveling system. The onset of level cap expansion and epic TR's may synergize better with class-based epic levels rather than generic, un-interesting, easy-way-out levels.

[dlsidhe]

My prediction:

1) They're redoing the DDO website functionality; included in this is a change to the character copy mechanism.

2) When they put the enhancement pass in beta (which will be free, so much as there are free classes - if you have to pay to use class functionality, you'll lose new players), there will likely be a Server Wipe of Llamaland.

3) Given (2), they will wait until (1) is complete.

4) (1) is supposed to be done by the end of April.

5) The downtime for (1) will be accompanied by downtime on Llamaland.

6) When the website comes up, the enhancement pass beta will be up, and we will get to use the new character copy (which will, hopefully, be less buggy).

...thus, by the end of April. Watch for an announcement on the website upgrade date, and count on the new Llamabuild being up within 48 hours.

Assuming that a new vBulletin install goes smoothly.

As a former vBulletin technical admin for a fairly large site, that will be a miracle if there are any essential plugins.

[Archangel666]

I don't know how long this has been the case, because I haven't completely respeced a character's enhancements in ages but just yesterday I respeced by 23rd level clerics enhancements and noticed that her prestige enhancements gave no list or indication whatsoever as to the requirements to achieve them (good thing I wrote her previous enhancemnts down). This was with even Show Unavailable checked. Also most or all of the possible enhancements that use Turn Undead charges such as Cleric Divine Light, Cleric Divine Might, Cleric Divine Cleansing were all labled Unknown and had to be opened to see what they actually did. I had Collapse All checked for quick viewing purposes when I noticed this. This was on the live server.


I hope this was just because it was a respec. If not, than if anyone new to the game was trying to acquire their cleric prestige enhancement they'd have to research the requirements from some other source than the enhancements themselves.

It's been like that since Motu came out. Basically once your character gets to level 21 the tooltips vanish and you have to use the wiki to reference what you need for pre-reqs.

It's a pain in the arse, but at least we have a work-around of sorts.

I use http://ddowiki.com/page/Radiant_Servant_enhancements That's the link to Radiant Servant, but from that page you can easily get to other PrE's for other Classes.

[Ape_Man]

I know everyone is anxiously awaiting the Enhancement pass. SOON™ you will be able to check out the new Enhancements!

seriously, this really isn't funny anymore.

[shadereaper33]

seriously, this really isn't funny anymore.

In all fairness, it wasn't that funny the first time around either.

[Ape_Man]

In all fairness, it wasn't that funny the first time around either.

it kinda was, but after being delayed A WHOLE YEAR it's insulting to the customers.

[Seikojin]

Core game mechanics are free. They wouldn't charge for enhancements since you start with those at level one. There are plenty of revenue streams in the game with what they have and what they are adding (quests, expansions) to continue being profitable.

I hope soon comes sooner.

[Azara]

1 - Squeak, ya know I loves ya, but SOON is NOT an answer...it is a delay tactic.

2 - To the poster who said they wouldn't charge for core game mechanics, we are talking about Turbine right? Have you seen the things they try to get away with putting a price tag on? Anyone remember when Warforged were FREE at game launch? I FULLY believe that nothing that was free to a subscriber pre-f2p should be charged for now. Turbine, however, has put a price on almost all of it!

3 - For the Neverwinter Online posters, Closed Beta 4 is ONLY for those who have bought the early access Founder's Packs. Open Beta is April 30th.

Have a good one

[Qezuzu]

My guess:
Some enhancements will be free, but the better ones will cost (you can't train improved power attack, because you don't have enhancement pack, visit DDO store now).

I don't think even Turbine is that stupid.

it kinda was, but after being delayed A WHOLE YEAR it's insulting to the customers.

With no deadline (unlike Destinies, which were released with a fair number of bugs), I imagine they're taking their sweet time to not get this wrong.

Character customization is a core feature of this game... failure is not really an option here.

[Charononus]

failure is not really an option here.

Are we playing a game by the same manufacturer? This is Turbine failure is always an option. =P

[Nephilia]

My guess:
Some enhancements will be free, but the better ones will cost (you can't train improved power attack, because you don't have enhancement pack, visit DDO store now).

And that would be a totally fair reason to /quit the game

[Failedlegend]

I know everyone is anxiously awaiting the Enhancement pass. SOON™ you will be able to check out the new Enhancements!

Soon means nothing, that the joke I know your probably not allowed to say anything but there's something about that word that just urks people...I'd reccomend against using it.

Any chance you can throw a few random new enhancements out to distract the community (or you know "accidentally" leak something onto lammania) anyways we know its coming latest June.20 (end of spring) but since it was said early spring my guess is by the end of the month.

[Truga]

Turbine employee posts on forum.

Forumites go ape****.

Turbine employee doesn't post on forum any more..

Where have I seen that before? Oh yeah, on this forum.

[bhgiant]

I really hope that with the amount of time and hype devoted to this, turbine delivers a robust, high quality system.

Hehehehheheheehehehe *snickersnickersnicker* /wipes away tear

Thanks, I needed that .



But honestly, I imagine it will be just as well thought out, organized and bug free as Epic Destinies when they came out.

[Drwaz99]

Turbine employee posts on forum.

Forumites go ape****.

Turbine employee doesn't post on forum any more..

Where have I seen that before? Oh yeah, on this forum.

If they posted useful, intelligent posts 100% of the time and the forumites still "raged" I would agree. But SOON does absolutely nothing. And considering how some take it (as depicted in this thread alone) if you don't have anything more to post than SOON, don't post. FoS started by posting inconsequential things too and was torn apart. Now he's considered on of the best dev posters because he actually communicates with us with actual information.

Your scenario reminds me of a teenager who gets mad at you solely because you are mad at them. I hope the Devs are more mature people than you make them out to be.

[Failedlegend]

If they posted useful, intelligent posts 100% of the time and the forumites still "raged" I would agree. But SOON does absolutely nothing. And considering how some take it (as depicted in this thread alone) if you don't have anything more to post than SOON, don't post. FoS started by posting inconsequential things too and was torn apart. Now he's considered on of the best dev posters because he actually communicates with us with actual information.

Your scenario reminds me of a teenager who gets mad at you solely because you are mad at them. I hope the Devs are more mature people than you make them out to be.

Well to be fair these forums did break MadFloyd...not everyone here are Doooooommmites but I'd say a good size chunk very vocal forumites are.

Madfloyd's office is still in the same place, and he is still found within during normal work hours.

You all just wore him out. Everyone needs a break once in a while.

[Drwaz99]

Well to be fair these forums did break MadFloyd...not everyone here are Doooooommmites but I'd say a good size chunk very vocal forumites are.

Yea, I admit, we as a collective fubar'd that relationship. He did try but I think the "Let's Talk!" threads were the key factor in that. They became so big so fast that he couldn't really craft a meaningful response to any post and get his day job work done. But they also shot themselves in the foot with those threads. Almost unilaterally going against what thousands of posters/players wanted in their respected subject without a explanation.

Those last 3 words are key to this discussion for me. Explanations go much further for forum goodwill. We probably won't agree very much, but most can respect their decisions if we have a bit of insight into how they were made.

[WruntJunior]

Are we playing a game by the same manufacturer? This is Turbine failure is always an option. =P

As I learned from television, failure is ALWAYS an option.

[Mikula]

Am I the only one happy that this thing isn't being rushed out? I'd rather this be SOON™ than something they slap together and call it good. Druids took forever for them to ship out and they are one of the more well put together and balanced classes.

Not saying that More Time=Better Quality but I will say that Less Time= Less Quality. I'm sure there is a graph somewhere for this cause eventually stuff does hit that Duke Nukem drop off point but no way is the Enhancement Pass there yet.