Juggcher - thinking of giving this a try

[Machination]

So I've got my ranged Jugg all geared out with everything I could want for him except the Stormreaver Pendant, eSOS, and the soul gem thing from FOT EE.

So, what to do now....well I have really enjoyed Haek's build (ranged version), and I have been playing almost strictly as a ranged toon, swapping between Needle to build up fury counter and Adrenaline, then to Pinion for Manyshot/fury or Manyshot/Adrenaline. Having 7 fucillade I find is handy, as it builds up fury fast and does so so damage while doing so.

Now, if I could only add in 10k stars. So started playing with the build planner and looking at 12arti/6monk/2ranger. This would give me 10K stars, 25% concealment from ninja spy, and an extra save for fort and reflex save. I would also lose 200 SP, and then the big loss of Reconstruction and Deadly Weapons. Reconstruct is a big one, because then I am left with only Repair Crit and Repair Serious, and of course Reconstruct scrolls (hitting for around 200). That is a major loss of self healing. But, I will basically have 10K stars, Manyshot, and Fucillade for a constant stream of projectiles. Is it worth it?

Here's what I was thinking to lesser TR into to test:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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DOOF LAWFUL NEUTRAL
Level 25 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 483
Spell Points: 862 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 17
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    25
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         16                    23
Intelligence         12                    16
Wisdom               12                    18
Charisma              8                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               2                    12
Bluff                -1                     6
Concentration         3                    12
Diplomacy            -1                     6
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     8
Heal                  1                     9
Hide                  2                    12
Intimidate           -1                     6
Jump                  3                    14
Listen                1                     9
Move Silently         2                    12
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     8
Search                1                     8
Spot                  1                     9
Swim                  3                    12
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    6

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Artificer)


Level 8 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 20 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 21 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Artificer)


Level 23 (Artificer)


Level 24 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Artificer)
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I
Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III

[Apoxia]

So I've got my ranged Jugg all geared out with everything I could want for him except the Stormreaver Pendant, eSOS, and the soul gem thing from FOT EE.

So, what to do now....well I have really enjoyed Haek's build (ranged version), and I have been playing almost strictly as a ranged toon, swapping between Needle to build up fury counter and Adrenaline, then to Pinion for Manyshot/fury or Manyshot/Adrenaline. Having 7 fucillade I find is handy, as it builds up fury fast and does so so damage while doing so.

Now, if I could only add in 10k stars. So started playing with the build planner and looking at 12arti/6monk/2ranger. This would give me 10K stars, 25% concealment from ninja spy, and an extra save for fort and reflex save. I would also lose 200 SP, and then the big loss of Reconstruction and Deadly Weapons. Reconstruct is a big one, because then I am left with only Repair Crit and Repair Serious, and of course Reconstruct scrolls (hitting for around 200). That is a major loss of self healing. But, I will basically have 10K stars, Manyshot, and Fucillade for a constant stream of projectiles. Is it worth it?

Here's what I was thinking to lesser TR into to test:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
DDO Character Planner Home Page

DOOF LAWFUL NEUTRAL
Level 25 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 483
Spell Points: 862 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 17
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    25
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         16                    23
Intelligence         12                    16
Wisdom               12                    18
Charisma              8                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               2                    12
Bluff                -1                     6
Concentration         3                    12
Diplomacy            -1                     6
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     8
Heal                  1                     9
Hide                  2                    12
Intimidate           -1                     6
Jump                  3                    14
Listen                1                     9
Move Silently         2                    12
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     8
Search                1                     8
Spot                  1                     9
Swim                  3                    12
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    6

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Artificer)


Level 8 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 20 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 21 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Artificer)


Level 23 (Artificer)


Level 24 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Artificer)
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I
Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III

Do you think you can get your WIS high enough to make up for the loss in self sufficiency you incur? Keep in mind 10k Stars is all about the WIS.

[Pilgrim1]

Why not wizard as the base? You would still have access to reconstruct that way.
12 wizard 6 monk 2 ranger.

[Daemoneyes]

Why not wizard as the base? You would still have access to reconstruct that way.
12 wizard 6 monk 2 ranger.

Arti gets more hp,
weapon buffs,
ranged feats as choice for class feats
and trap skills / umd

You would probably get it to work as Wiz but not as good as Arti

[Machination]

Yes I was wondering what the exact wisdome brackets for 10K stars are.

This build gives 26 wis with gear and ship buff (no yugo). Could probably squeeze some more but don't want to lose more dex than needed (for ref save). So it really depends on the wisdom bracket for 10K star. I remember Chai posted somewhere but I could not find it yesterday.

Do you think you can get your WIS high enough to make up for the loss in self sufficiency you incur? Keep in mind 10k Stars is all about the WIS.

[Apoxia]

Yes I was wondering what the exact wisdome brackets for 10K stars are.

This build gives 26 wis with gear and ship buff (no yugo). Could probably squeeze some more but don't want to lose more dex than needed (for ref save). So it really depends on the wisdom bracket for 10K star. I remember Chai posted somewhere but I could not find it yesterday.

Iirc you want at least 40 wis to make 10k stars a worthwhile option. I think it's around 3-4% damage added (on average) per wis modifier.

I have a link to a thread with testing, it's old but I think the numbers are still valid.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=351973

[Machination]

Well, after looking at that thread, looks like I will need to build this around a completionist and dump INT and CHA, which puts the build like this:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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RTFM MONKCHER.RANGER.TXT
Level 25 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male
(6 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 533
Spell Points: 958 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 18
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    28
Dexterity            15                    22
Constitution         17                    27
Intelligence          8                    15
Wisdom               14                    22
Charisma              6                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               2                    15
Bluff                -2                     8
Concentration         3                    16
Diplomacy            -2                     8
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    10
Heal                  2                    13
Hide                  2                    15
Intimidate           -2                     8
Jump                  3                    18
Listen                2                    13
Move Silently         2                    15
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                    10
Search               -1                    10
Spot                  2                    13
Swim                  3                    16
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    9

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Artificer)


Level 8 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 20 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 21 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Artificer)


Level 23 (Artificer)


Level 24 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Artificer)
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I
Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III

That will give me:

WIS in mid 30's buffed with full gear (Base 22, gear +12, ship +2 Yugo +2 = 36 WIS). This should be good enough to make 10K stars worthwhile.

STR easily in 50's (Base 28, gear +12, Ship +2, Yugo +2, Tensors +4, Titan +6)

saves in mid 50's buffed. Would help if I had 3x PL pali but only have one so healing amp will be OK but not spectacular.

All the other stats are going to be similar to jugg, working AC, etc. Trap skill should be good enough for eCasual

Iirc you want at least 40 wis to make 10k stars a worthwhile option. I think it's around 3-4% damage added (on average) per wis modifier.

I have a link to a thread with testing, it's old but I think the numbers are still valid.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=351973

[DarkForte]

No recon?

[Marmaduke]

No recon?

Or deadly weapons for that matter. This has practically nothing to do with a juggernaut. You might as well choose a primary class that offers more in the way of enhancements for bow combat. And not bother with warforged.

[Bacab]

This is garbage...sorry.

You HAVE TO HAVE Quickened Reconstruct.

Otherwise, you are just another archer that spams manyshot with FotW.

You lack Deadly Weapons also.

[Machination]

I have not used recon on my jugg for weeks now. Wanted to test the theory if its doable without. It is.

This is garbage...sorry.

You HAVE TO HAVE Quickened Reconstruct.

Otherwise, you are just another archer that spams manyshot with FotW.

You lack Deadly Weapons also.

[Steveohio]

The main point is, what do you gain by trading 4 arti lvls for 4 ranger levels?

Loss of deadly, blade barrier, spell points,all lvl 5 spells, item and clicky lvls and dps for10k stars and incorp? Dunno
??

[Machination]

The main point is, what do you gain by trading 4 arti lvls for 4 ranger levels?

Loss of deadly, blade barrier, spell points,all lvl 5 spells, item and clicky lvls and dps for10k stars and incorp? Dunno
??

1. not trading 4 lvls of arti for ranger....you might want to actually comment on the post

2. i have never used bladebarrier on my existing jugg....ever. not sure any do

clicky lvls are a rounding error. spell points i think 1200 are enough (its enough on my existing build). average DPS will be higher and that's the whole point.

[Bacab]

I think you are trading DPS for survivability.

I personally don't think its an improvement.

But maybe you can make it work.

[RTFM]

Well got him all capped out.

Still using some lame gear (the PDK gloves, monk turn in eveningstar belt, etc.) but overall I'm pleased with it.

1. The healing amp from enhancements and cocoon twist in is more than enough to replace any need for reconstruct. My own healing scrolls hit for 380 HP on myself.

2. Having 10K stars and the monk shadow form is very nice addition. Grab sireth and go cleave if you need to build up some KI for more 10k stars. If you run out of Ki still want to range and on timer for manyshot, go fucillade. Its incredibly versatile. It is actually a lot of fun to get a master's blitz going and just 10k stars/manyshot/10k stars/fucillade then grab sireth and build up ki for another couple 10k stars. With a max'd out blitz the DPS is high and sustainable and with so much ranged focus you don't get hit much.

3. Fury, LD and Primal Avatar are ALL fun to play in if you want to change it up a bit, and you can pick the best one for the quest considering number/types of mobs, etc. Twisting in double rainbow/prism for Fury most of the time, or sense weakness/primal scream in LD most of the time depending if I want to range or melee mostly in a particular run. If I want more survivability for EE FOT or something twist in saves and energy sheath and cocoon, etc.).

I'm sticking with the build for a while, till it gets boring

Now time to TR Doof my first ranged jugg into something else.

I think you are trading DPS for survivability.

I personally don't think its an improvement.

But maybe you can make it work.

[psyko_peta]

Well got him all capped out.

Still using some lame gear (the PDK gloves, monk turn in eveningstar belt, etc.) but overall I'm pleased with it.

1. The healing amp from enhancements and cocoon twist in is more than enough to replace any need for reconstruct. My own healing scrolls hit for 380 HP on myself.

2. Having 10K stars and the monk shadow form is very nice addition. Grab sireth and go cleave if you need to build up some KI for more 10k stars. If you run out of Ki still want to range and on timer for manyshot, go fucillade. Its incredibly versatile. It is actually a lot of fun to get a master's blitz going and just 10k stars/manyshot/10k stars/fucillade then grab sireth and build up ki for another couple 10k stars. With a max'd out blitz the DPS is high and sustainable and with so much ranged focus you don't get hit much.

3. Fury, LD and Primal Avatar are ALL fun to play in if you want to change it up a bit, and you can pick the best one for the quest considering number/types of mobs, etc. Twisting in double rainbow/prism for Fury most of the time, or sense weakness/primal scream in LD most of the time depending if I want to range or melee mostly in a particular run. If I want more survivability for EE FOT or something twist in saves and energy sheath and cocoon, etc.).

I'm sticking with the build for a while, till it gets boring

Now time to TR Doof my first ranged jugg into something else.

double rainbow is tier 4, but needs prism

prism is tier 3 and come w/o double rainbow (4+3 isn't unable to get as twists right now)

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Prism is Tier II dood.....

double rainbow is tier 4, but needs prism

prism is tier 3 and come w/o double rainbow (4+3 isn't unable to get as twists right now)

i ignored rest of posts

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1. The healing amp from enhancements and cocoon twist in is more than enough to replace any need for reconstruct. My own healing scrolls hit for 380 HP on myself.

No recon, no deadly, what's the point of being warforged if you devote so MUCH gear for "fleshie" hjealing ?
Besides, being VERY generous here : 110*1.75 mastery*1.1monk*1.2*1.3*1.1*0.8 HF3 = 290, how are you getting 380 ? I know sm4 scroll from bard/rog hjeals very well geared fleshie tank for ~ 500, that's why the number seems so high on a toaster.

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No recon, no deadly, what's the point of being warforged if you devote so MUCH gear for "fleshie" hjealing ?

Well here is what I like about the build:

1. Faster base run speed than jugg (monk 6 lvls). This means i get hit a bit less and kite more effectively.

2. Incorporeal form from monk ninja spy. This means i get hit less.

3. 11% dodge in water stance (with only one dodge item being +3%, could get dodge higher if needed). This means i get hit less as well.

4. Repair Critical hits for around 100. With all the permanent mem'd repair spells it is more than enough to use all of these in combo to spot repair, combined with cocoon. So yes there is a big payback in investment on self healing and self repair. WF also gives +25% fort, the extra CON at char creation allows stat points to be spread out and still hit the epic toughness requirement, and the bonus to will and fort saves from enhancements, etc. So I do like WF for this build. A guildie wants to try it fleshie, I'm not so sure it will work as well as stat points will be spread even thinner and the self healing aspect will be ONLY cocoon and scrolls. WF also let's you use toughen and reinforce construct, which are minor buffs but hey, it all adds up and I use these constantly.

5. I never have to drink pots. On my other Jugg, I would have to chugg a pot now and again. I don't seem to need pots on this toon ever except in very rare circumstances. I have not figured out why because he has less SP than my jugg.

Things I don't like about it:

1. Pretty much have to stay centered to build and retain KI for Shadow Fade and `10k stars. I like using cleaver for the crowd control aspect of limbchopper on mobs, and i still do sometimes. If you like staves only it would be great.

2. Lower PRR. Pretty much the only PRR gonna get is a blue augment. I don't have the gear yet so have no PRR. So its the extra dodge and shadow fade vs. PRR tradeoff.

3. No precision. I have contemplated dropping completionist feat for precision.

Besides, being VERY generous here : 110*1.75 mastery*1.1monk*1.2*1.3*1.1*0.8 HF3 = 290, how are you getting 380 ? I know sm4 scroll from bard/rog hjeals very well geared fleshie tank for ~ 500, that's why the number seems so high on a toaster.

Well here is a screenshot of me casting a heal scroll on myself

Here is the final build: Again still missing several gear pcs but working on that.

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RTFM LAWFUL NEUTRAL
Level 25 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(6 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 533
Spell Points: 999 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 18
Will: 18

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 25)           (Level 25)
Strength             16                 28                   28
Dexterity            15                 21                   22
Constitution         16                 24                   26
Intelligence         12                 18                   18
Wisdom               12                 18                   20
Charisma              8                 15                   15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 25)          (Level 25)
Balance               2                  6                   15
Bluff                -1                  2                    9
Concentration         3                  8                   16
Diplomacy            -1                  2                    9
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                  n/a
Haggle               -1                  2                   11
Heal                  1                  5                   12
Hide                  2                  6                   15
Intimidate           -1                  2                    9
Jump                  3                  9                   18
Listen                1                  5                   12
Move Silently         2                  6                   15
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  4                   12
Search                1                  4                   12
Spot                  1                  5                   12
Swim                  3                  9                   16
Tumble                n/a               n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                 2                   10

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Construct Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Scrolls
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Great Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Artificer Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Automatic) Revive Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Unleash Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Traits


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Craft Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Potions
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Rune Arm Use


Level 7 (Artificer)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Wands


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Arms and Armor
Feat: (Automatic) Retain Essence


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge (ALL)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 21 (Artificer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+58568984)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Artificer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+58570712)


Level 23 (Artificer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+58571516)


Level 24 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Artificer)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I
Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II
Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III

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