A FR Drow born in Eberron

[SofiaNRage]

Eberron Drow are very weak compared to their counter parts in FR, and they have a fair amount of negativity to their base stats, but I thought there has to be a way to make them less squishy. I don't have plans to build this 'yet', but it is an idea that I've been kicking around for a while;

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Level 20 Chaotic Good Drow Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Barbarian \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 414
Spell Points: 70 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 14
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 23                   26
Dexterity            13                 16                   20
Constitution         15                 21                   22
Intelligence         10                 13                   13
Wisdom                8                 11                   11
Charisma             10                 13                   13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                     5
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         2                     6
Diplomacy             0                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  1                     5
Intimidate            0                     7
Jump                  4                     8
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         1                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     3
Spot                 -1                     2
Swim                  4                     8
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Aberration


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: CON


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Animal


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Precision
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Swamp Lore I
Enhancement: Barbarian Tundra Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Trap Sense I

I selected Khopeshes for the build for the sack of higher base dmg and larger crit range than the racial weapons of short sword rapier of drow but and not against taking a different weapon path for the build. Yes it does require at least a legend build to get the base stat pts, and my legend builds all have +3 or better tomes thats why I included them in the build and the are needed to get to the epic feats. Maybe someone can come up with some tweaks or has a better idea, just throwing this out there for the community at large.
I figure in the SD stance that will add to str and con and give a slight bonus to HP, add in a GFL item and a GS HP item and argo favor, should see about 600hp.
Still messing around with this so nothing is set in stone.
Enhancements were chosen just to get to the end and spend pts to get prerews for prestige classes so they may not be optimum choices.

You can also do this with a 1st life drow but need a +4 tome for either con or str, just drop either by one at character creation

[Kinerd]

For a build with higher Con than Dex and no gain from Int or Cha, why be drow?

Why not go human or half-elf for Damage Boost, Improved Recovery, and [feat or SA bump] instead of 2 Dex via enhancements?

[Uska]

For a build with higher Con than Dex and no gain from Int or Cha, why be drow?

Why not go human or half-elf for Damage Boost, Improved Recovery, and [feat or SA bump] instead of 2 Dex via enhancements?

I think he is shooting for flavor as well but to me FR tastes like sawdust. but if it is what he wants I say good for him. But it looks like a pnp drizzle smizzle build I saw once.

[Khatzhas]

Eberron Drow are very weak compared to their counter parts in FR, and they have a fair amount of negativity to their base stats,

I thought that they have the same stats in both Eberron and the Realms. The difference is the cultures.

[SofiaNRage]

I thought that they have the same stats in both Eberron and the Realms. The difference is the cultures.

I'm thinking FR Drow are not getting the con penalty that Eberron Drow are, as well as the int/chr boosts, the FR Drow culture being more martial melee orientated. That's just a guess though.

As to why not go helf or human, like another person suggested, well then it wouldn't be a Drow and I'm building a Drow, for the same type of reason that I once built a half-ling barbarian, something fun and different. Any Race can be any class, some get slight bonuses or penalties and can not achieve the ultimate max whatever (Dmg, Spell DC, or what have you). Its a game, I build my characters on how fun i think they are to play, as long as they are effective at what they do and are survivable, I'm good, they don't have to be the best toons in the game, I'm not trying for that.

On a side note, I did find a server in which I unlocked Drow on and built this toon as a VetII character. After arriving in the market with the awesome starter gear that they give you, took the ranger gear, I ran to the bank to see if by chance I had stashed anything in there from any previous attempts at char creation or Favor farming runs and found a SS of pure good that I equipped as an off hand weapon to go with the starter +2 shocking rapier, and opened up the lfm panel to see if there were any groups I might join.
I saw the best thing ever in a lfm posting "Elite Carnival chain, all welcome", so I joined. Upon meeting up with the party outside the quest I saw that 3 of them were TR's, so figured that might hide the under-equipedness of my fresh faced toon.
So unlike the fighter that plummeted to his death for forgetting to equip a FF item while jumping over some rocks on the way up the mtn in small prob (not having a FF item, made not equiping it a wash) and I safely made it around. Or like the TR'd wizard that got lost 2x in a completely linear quest and needed directions to go forward, I survived the chain with 0 deaths, a feat that only the TR'd cleric in the group shared with me. I might not have had the most kills in all of the quests, or dealt the most damage in any of them, but I probably had the most fun, and that is whats important to me.
Now one chain does not make a build, but it did show me that I'm on the right path in my thinking on how to build this toon, and that the concept is at least valid.
For the sack of anonymity and not to shame others, I will not say which server I tried this on, but know this, if you ran a carnival chain recently with a dual wielding drow ranger, that was all done with starter equipment except the aforementioned +2 SS of pure good

[Kilbar]

All drow everywhere, even the Realms, have a 2 point Con penalty. This has been the case since 1st Edition Unearthed Arcana made them a PC race.

[Gkar]

I'm thinking FR Drow are not getting the con penalty that Eberron Drow are, as well as the int/chr boosts, the FR Drow culture being more martial melee orientated. That's just a guess though.

No, you are just confusing Monster Stats with PC stats. The drow you are fighting in FR are epic or near epic level high HD monsters. Their stats are made up as whatever the game dev felt like giving them.

A PC drow in FR would have the same stats as a PC drow in Eberron.

[unbongwah]

Oh, is it that time of the month again when all the Drizzt clones come out to play?

Here's my take on the classic:

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Level 25 True Neutral Drow Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 412
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 18
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    27
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Rapier Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Sunder


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Kensei Rapier Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) II
Enhancement: Fighter Rapier Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 21 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Fighter)


Level 23 (Fighter)


Level 24 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 25 (Fighter)

Standard Tempest I / Kensei II build aimed at newbies who just unlocked drow; has relatively modest tome pre-reqs (+1 DEX for GTWF, +2 STR for OC, +3 DEX if you want IPS). Deviations from the canonical Drizzt build: different base stats; rogue splash instead of barb (UMD, 1d6+3 SA, W&S Mastery I, Evasion); True Neutral instead of Chaotic Good (Stability items, immunity to unholy/anarchic/axiomatic dmg, no neg lvl from evil/anarchic/axiomatic gear); and rapiers instead of scimitars (for racial +2 dmg bonus and Balizarde is arguably the best 1H weapon in DDO...for now).

There are basically three feats to spare on this build; I used them for PBS, IPS (need +3 DEX tome), and Imp Sunder. You could use them for other tactics feats (e.g., Stunning Blow, CE+Imp Trip); or drop Imp Sunder for IC:Ranged; or add khopesh (would also need to switch to Slash instead of Pierce feats); or different DPS feats like Precision, Quick Draw, and Power Crit.

My hope is when the Enhancement pass finally comes along, we'll be able to add full Tempest line to drow melee builds like this.