Pyrene, the Endgame Paladin

[Blackheartox]

Very nice vid sith, very nice


I enjoyed your build pre encha revamp, felt low in dps but the never being able to die part was amazing.

Doing same split or shifting toward 15 4 1?
Was thinking about 1 figter 4 ranger 15 paladin 2 weapon fight but it seems 2 weapon fight is weak in current lamma state.
Didnt try new tempest things, so another option as pointed out to me would be 18 palie 1 ranger 1 fighter

[Saekee]

love the vid!

[Silverleafeon]

The return of the Sith...may the force be with you...

[Nightmanis]

Just a little cinematic trailer to announce the return of the Pyrene to its full glory

I actually quite liked that. Good bit of roleplaying to make us all remember why we love this game.

[Takllin]

Very nice vid sith, very nice


I enjoyed your build pre encha revamp, felt low in dps but the never being able to die part was amazing.

Doing same split or shifting toward 15 4 1?
Was thinking about 1 figter 4 ranger 15 paladin 2 weapon fight but it seems 2 weapon fight is weak in current lamma state.
Didnt try new tempest things, so another option as pointed out to me would be 18 palie 1 ranger 1 fighter

TWF does benefit more from the smites and divine sacrifice. But you lose out with the new cleaves and no melee power.

Without knowing how they will implement ranged power, it's hard to take manyshot especially since the level 18 core and the capstone are really nice IMO. If they change ranged power to be equivalent to melee across the board, and reduce Furyshot so that Monkchers don't become even more OP, I'd take manyshot again. As the 18/1/1 build.

[Leclaire1]

I am curious what Sith plans to do for a level spread when U23 hits live soon. While I rarely follow cookie-cutter builds, this build has always intrigued me, and I am thinking about spending a +20 heart to turn my level 20 pure pally into this build. As such, I am would be interested in what Sith intends to do. Will he keep the same level distribution? Will he follow others on this thread who are thinking about an armored build with a different level spread? How in accordance with this will Ap be spread, and how do the autogrants of cleave/great cleave effect feat distribution? I have many questions, and hope to hear from Sith how he intends to follow this build.

[Symerith]

Very nice vid sith, very nice


I enjoyed your build pre encha revamp, felt low in dps but the never being able to die part was amazing.

Doing same split or shifting toward 15 4 1?
Was thinking about 1 figter 4 ranger 15 paladin 2 weapon fight but it seems 2 weapon fight is weak in current lamma state.
Didnt try new tempest things, so another option as pointed out to me would be 18 palie 1 ranger 1 fighter

Hey, thanks! Good guess, that's exactly what I went for, 15 paladin 4 ranger 1 fighter TWF using khopeshes/warhammers. Been 28 for a few days and the build performs very well. There's a big minus though that I didn't expect.. manyshot feels quite weak now, and I'm debating giving it up for a straightforward 18/1/1 or 20 paladin TWF DPS.

love the vid!

Thank you

The return of the Sith...may the force be with you...

The force isn't with me, the force is within me (that's what I used to tell my sister before each one of her exams ^^). Nice to see you are still around

TWF does benefit more from the smites and divine sacrifice. But you lose out with the new cleaves and no melee power.

Without knowing how they will implement ranged power, it's hard to take manyshot especially since the level 18 core and the capstone are really nice IMO. If they change ranged power to be equivalent to melee across the board, and reduce Furyshot so that Monkchers don't become even more OP, I'd take manyshot again. As the 18/1/1 build.

You are quite right, and I'm seriously debating going for 20 paladin since manyshot feels quite weak after the update...

I am curious what Sith plans to do for a level spread when U23 hits live soon. While I rarely follow cookie-cutter builds, this build has always intrigued me, and I am thinking about spending a +20 heart to turn my level 20 pure pally into this build. As such, I am would be interested in what Sith intends to do. Will he keep the same level distribution? Will he follow others on this thread who are thinking about an armored build with a different level spread? How in accordance with this will Ap be spread, and how do the autogrants of cleave/great cleave effect feat distribution? I have many questions, and hope to hear from Sith how he intends to follow this build.

I dumped evasion for a heavy armor build and it's totally worth it. Amazing defenses, great saves, super DPS, I'm lovin' it
As I said earlier, I'm 15 pal / 4 ranger / 1 fighter atm TWF DPS + manyshot, but lending towards a straightforward TWF DPS now, as 18 paladin core enhancements or even 20 are really great.

[Symerith]

As for those who enjoyed the first episode for the Pyrene's adventures, here's the sequel!

[Eth]

.. manyshot feels quite weak now, and I'm debating giving it up for a straightforward 18/1/1 or 20 paladin TWF DPS.

In LD manyshot lost quite a bit of its power. In Fury it's still great but that doesn't work well with pally stance obviously.
If you stay TWF you should really consider going 5 ranger and invest in the tempest tree.

[Blackheartox]

In LD manyshot lost quite a bit of its power. In Fury it's still great but that doesn't work well with pally stance obviously.
If you stay TWF you should really consider going 5 ranger and invest in the tempest tree.

Yea, been trying tempest myself, made over into a druid with 6 ranger levels.
Fatal harrier, 2 weapon fight, balanced attack while doing aoe?
Well ty mr turbine

[Leclaire1]

I dumped evasion for a heavy armor build and it's totally worth it. Amazing defenses, great saves, super DPS, I'm lovin' it
As I said earlier, I'm 15 pal / 4 ranger / 1 fighter atm TWF DPS + manyshot, but lending towards a straightforward TWF DPS now, as 18 paladin core enhancements or even 20 are really great.

Thanks for the response Sith! Its good to know that it is now more than viable to give up evasion. Thanks also to everyone else for the suggestions. I'd definitely be interested in more details on what everyone is initially thinking about stats, feats, and AP spread for the various options. As I see it so far, the options are as follows (only posting through level 20 here):

1) Paladin 15/Ranger 14/Fighter 1

Granted Feats: Religion stuff, TWF, Rapid Shot, Precise Shot, Diehard

9 Other Feats: ITWF, GTWF, IC: Slash, IC: Ranged, Power Attack, Point Blank Shot, Many Shot, Improved Precise Shot and 1 other. I'm curious what everyone else would choose for this. Magical Training has obvious benefits, esp. as it gives endless Divine Sacrifice, though it can be gained through the AA tree. Extend could be nice though less critical now that Zeal has a better duration. Empower Healing is also a useful choice. The Orien Dragonmark provides a lot of utility for soloing provided one has enough AP to invest in the human tree. What do people think?

AP: I'm guessing this build would invest a lot in KotC, sink enough into AA to get metalline arrows and cheap magical training and sp, and just enough into defender to buff the heck out of HP, saves, PRR, MRR, and AC. Could maybe invest in tempest, but probably not enough AP to get the good stuff. What else would people want?

2) Pure Pally

Granted Feats: Religion Stuff

8 Feats: TWF, ITWF, GTWF, IC: Slash, Power Attack, Magical Training, and two others. List would be similar to the one above. I am curious what people would choose.

AP: A bit less taxed then the first build, so more would be available to invest in the human tree, thus making dragonmarks a more viable option.

3) Pally 18, Fighter 1, ? 1

I'll admit, I'm a bit confused about this one. The main suggestion I've seen is that the third level is Ranger 1, though Wizard 1 was also suggested. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious here, but as someone who has done quite a few ranger builds I am very foggy on what the benefit of Ranger 1 would be. You'd get bow strength, but this seems to be an option which jettisons MS, so that doesn't seem to be so great. You'd also get access to cheap magical training via AP and some sp, but that could be gained from wizard along with a free metamagic and other goodies. The T1 tempest stuff isn't that great, so its hard for me to see this option as being highly desirable. Again, I could be completely missing something, so if I am, feel free to enlighten me.

The wizard option is much more intriguing as it provides more bang for one's buck. I'd lean this way at the moment if I were going 18/1/1, but the pure pally option seems far superior to either of these to me at this point in time.

At any rate, I'd be curious to hear everyone's thoughts/plans. Thanks!

[Luxmus]

As for those who enjoyed the first episode for the Pyrene's adventures, here's the sequel!

Hey Sith. Nice to hear the Pyrene is back. When does the full build come out? and can i work with 34 point build?

[TheLegendOfAra]

So I've been leveling up a 15Paladin/3Ranger/2Monk version of this build, and I've been playing around Heavy Plate, Light Armor, and Robes/Centered with wraps in Water Stance(For when you really need the saves. Usually with traps/caster heavy fights while soloing.)

I've seen some really good use of Heavy Plate in just general questing when there aren't a lot of casters.
But I usually swap to light armor for evasion when casters pop up. I'm not sure it's really needed yet, because I haven't gotten to epics.

Beyond the loss of evasion I'm noticing a very substantial defense boost in Heavy Plate. At level 10 I had 76 PRR and 62PRR all from Giant crafted heavy plate. This is huge considering last life in robes at level 28 I had 55 PRR.

What I'm wondering is if splashing for evasion/bow access when needed is just wasted effort at endgame now, and if heavy plate is enough?
I like the idea of using heavy plate most of the time, and swapping light armor/robes in for evasion when needed, but if it's not worth it I might just be in for another TR when I cap.

Really I'm just kind of blown away by how high PRR can get at low levels with nothing at all but heavy plate.

[depositbox]

So I've been leveling up a 15Paladin/3Ranger/2Monk version of this build, and I've been playing around Heavy Plate, Light Armor, and Robes/Centered with wraps in Water Stance(For when you really need the saves. Usually with traps/caster heavy fights while soloing.)

I've seen some really good use of Heavy Plate in just general questing when there aren't a lot of casters.
But I usually swap to light armor for evasion when casters pop up. I'm not sure it's really needed yet, because I haven't gotten to epics.
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I'm playing a 2 rogue splashed pally shadar. Wanted iconic life. Using light armor for traps and caster heavy content is, to me, much better in heroics. Since my reflex can hit mid 40s at lv 15, I can pretty much walk through undermine mine room and the such. I dont feel mobs hit hard enough physically in heroic to beat out reflex and evasion. My saves wont be good enough to use that evasion in epics anyway. At least not in the 70s. I dont think your build should swap to light armor over robes, in epics, because it loses centered benefits, like stances and dance of flowers- granted narrow weapon sets here short swords, kamas, staff.

[Bloodskittle]

Mind doing a write up of the u23 build? or is it already posted and I just missed it?