Quote Originally Posted by Dieterstrife View Post
All I'm seeing from the Pyrene, the Juggernaut, the Beast and all other builds like them:

Usually just giving yourself between 2 and 4 ranger levels, then either 2 monk or 2 fighter is enough to fit in Manyshot and Overwhelming Critical into a single build.

Does this make them the best? Probably not, but it does make efficient builds capable of a lot of things. What it does give though is a good base setup: You can literally make one of these builds with any class you want, and it will accomplish the same thing more or less. Yes, a barb version is not gonna have anywhere near the same self healing (or evasion, since you would have to take fighter) nor is a bard version going to have the dps output of these ideas.

You've not really posted a build so much as you've posted a feat list that can be done with any and all classes. It's quite nice, actually.

Soon as I get the money I'm lring my rogue into this, just as proof. Difference: I don't much care for overwhelming critical, but I do care for stunning fists. Cons compared to all of these builds: I'm gonna be SOL on HP. 600 in dread most likely, but it will still be a fun toy to try. I'm also going to have a LOT lower str score, but I'm going to have a more reliable form of CC (like it's really impossible to hit a 65dc on stunning fists, even for a first lifer) Do I solo a lot? No, I'm to sociable for that nonsense. I like having someone to talk to. Will I be useful in a quest? Don't know, haven't gotten around to testing the build out and getting it geared.

Will it matter? It's an alt, and I like her to have a weird funky build. Only character I haven't deleted and remade at least once, just capped and tred her.

I do appreciate the feat list though. Makes it easier to deal with a feat starved class.
The core concept is really 2 monk / 1 ranger; additional ranger levels are nice where they can be worked in, as they effectively give additional feats at at least the same rate as fighter levels (i.e. the ranger bonus feats at levels 2 and 4 are ones you'd want to pick up to boost ranged combat anyway).

You can bolt this onto things like 17 cleric, 17 FVS, 14 or 15Pal, and probably even 17 or 14-15 Druid would work.

The pyrene build presented in this thread is really just a particular instance of the 2monk/1ranger concept, and in all honesty the credit for this component probably belongs to Haek who used it for the juggernaut build (from what I understand of that build from the juggernaut thread, it started off as 2monk/2pal but the real stroke of genius was changing the /2pal to /2ranger, as the small ranger splash is much more synergistic with archery).