Charisma Based 18fvs/2pally

[Candela90]

Im posting it in case I missed something in my build - that could make it better or more survivable.

The idea is partially inspired by Nova build. Im looking for a light/fire dps + heal amp, PPR, big sp pool and EE healing capability. I thought of 20 fvs at first but... 20 fvs will give me spells I wont use without good spell pen and DC (like drain or implosion).
I thought (well...actually my friend pointed that to me) that 2 pally (+ about 20 to all saves from charisma at lvl 25 and heavy armor profiency) is better than DR10 and capstone. And now when I look at it I think I agree.

Starting Stats (human)
STR 8
DEX 8
CON 18
WIS 10
INT 10
CHA: 18
All lvl ups in charisma.
Maxing out UMD, Concentration and Balance from beggining, when tomes come to count -> adding to jump.

FEATS:
HUMAN: Toughness
1. Maximize
3. Empower.
6. Quicken
9. Mental Toughness
12. Imp. Mental Toughness
15. Empower Healing
18. Shield Mastery


Main ED: Exalted Angel (With Epic Moment and Divine Wrath and Avenging Light, also maxed out +10% sp, 30 Light and Healing Power).
In enhancements maxed out everything to light, 2 tiers of heal amp, toughnesses, Scroll MAstery 2, AoV2, Improved Empowring 3 and ofc all charisma things (2 from fvs cause 6 ap for 1 stat is well... not efficent).

Twists:
1) Draconic Fire Energy Burst
2) US - 40% fort and + to saves
3) Furry Boulder OR US PPR for having shield from tier 2 (only tie 2 too cause I dont have Imp. Shield Mastery).


I am wondering if not to exchange Emp. Healing for Imp. Shield Mastery but I thing Ill stay with Emp. Heal. Ill see at epic lvls actually. Was fvs before EGH was added and no idea if emp. heal is must have now or not. (on cures Ill use empower as I have enhancements for it).


Is there anything I missed that would make my character better?

[Partydeluxe]

I did something similar with my cleric, basicly turning it into an easy-button EE healer: All levelups into CON, chilling out in unyielding sentinel with some twists from EA. Results in having 90 prr, 80+ac, 1000+ hp. Lovely.

[voodoogroves]

Personally, I wouldn't stop with one Shield Mastery if you're building for Shield Mastery. I'd take that from somewhere else.

I'd also, and this may sound crazy, would only go to 16 on CON. Those 6 other points can go to STR for early leveling fun, or INT for more skills.

[nni]

I've been thinking about this build lately. I have a CON based nova soul and he is tons of fun to play. Going CHA you lose 75 HP from the CON level-ups, but with sufficient gear you should be able to reach a comfortable amount.

What I have in mind though, is going half-elf and taking monk dilletante for the heal amp. This pretty much requires a 36 point build and your stats would be:

STR 8
DEX 8
CON 17 (+4 tome required for epic toughness)
WIS 13 (For monk dillie)
INT 10
CHA: 18

Since helf makes you a feat short compared to human, I don't think the mental toughness line is worth taking. I would rather go Shield mastery, ISM, Epic Toughness and have the last free up for whatever you feel like (Force of personality possibly).

You gain AoE dps from Energy burst and divine wrath, but lose a bit of single target dps due to losing searing light SLA. You also obviously lose access to the capstone, so need to slot DR. Luckily the Ghost-walking cloak seems to be designed for this build.

I am wondering if not to exchange Emp. Healing for Imp. Shield Mastery but I thing Ill stay with Emp. Heal. Ill see at epic lvls actually. Was fvs before EGH was added and no idea if emp. heal is must have now or not. (on cures Ill use empower as I have enhancements for it).

No! Seriously though, Empower healing is key if you want to be an EE healer. It not only empowers your Heal spells, but is also the only metamagic that empowers renewal and cocoon. Even for mass cures I only use empower healing and deliberately turn off empower and maximize for those. That way you can cast them more often, being more sp efficient and also building up your ardor stacks.

[Darkrok]

Those 6 other points can go to STR for early leveling fun, or INT for more skills.

Or both if you have lots of BTA lesser hearts.

[Candela90]

Hm... So Ill leave Enp. Healing.
Sadly I have no Lesser Hearts at all .
Was thinking bout Helf too but **** it... I have no APs to even take the heal amp enh . So I prefer the free feat.

[Darkrok]

Hm... So Ill leave Enp. Healing.
Sadly I have no Lesser Hearts at all .
Was thinking bout Helf too but **** it... I have no APs to even take the heal amp enh . So I prefer the free feat.

I've gotten about 4 or 5 BTA Lesser Hearts in the last 2 months just doing the DDO lottery thing. Worth a look as they really make some lives easier when you can swap directions mid-way through for free.

[Candela90]

I've gotten about 4 or 5 BTA Lesser Hearts in the last 2 months just doing the DDO lottery thing. Worth a look as they really make some lives easier when you can swap directions mid-way through for free.

Ure lucky. Im taking part in it every time I can. And I never won anything. In 2 years. I mean never ever. Not even **** essences or hair dyes :P.

[Darkrok]

Ure lucky. Im taking part in it every time I can. And I never won anything. In 2 years. I mean never ever. Not even **** essences or hair dyes :P.

Hrm...I won't say anything else for fear of jinxing myself. :P

[nni]

Hm... So Ill leave Enp. Healing.
Sadly I have no Lesser Hearts at all .
Was thinking bout Helf too but **** it... I have no APs to even take the heal amp enh . So I prefer the free feat.

Care to post what your enhancements are?

[Candela90]

Care to post what your enhancements are?

Not are right now Im currently a wizzy preparing to TR into this fvs build.
Enhancements:
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Id also love to dump e.g. Life Magic 4 and take more Scroll Mastery.

[unbongwah]

I can't help thinking the saves on this build are overkill compared to, say, WIS-based pure HE FvS w/pally dilly & both Shield Masteries. That way you can get the Searing Light & DR 10 capstone as well as PRR from SM + ISM + Legendary SM. Likewise the Mental Toughnesses always seem so unnecessary on a FvS, esp. since staying pure nets about as many SPs (245 base SPs + 10% from Wizardry item). It just feels like you're sacrificing too much spellcasting for excessive boosts to survivability.

[Candela90]

I can't help thinking the saves on this build are overkill compared to, say, WIS-based pure HE FvS w/pally dilly & both Shield Masteries. That way you can get the Searing Light & DR 10 capstone as well as PRR from SM + ISM + Legendary SM. Likewise the Mental Toughnesses always seem so unnecessary on a FvS, esp. since staying pure nets about as many SPs (245 base SPs + 10% from Wizardry item). It just feels like you're sacrificing too much spellcasting for excessive boosts to survivability.

I dont feel like its overkill. I mainly run EE conent. I have monk with 55-60 saves. And failed saves are not that rare... I will never get to 60 without taking 2 pal lvls.
I dont like wis builds as in EE its not really doing anything. Pally dilly gives u only +2 max to saves from what I see. Im gonna be at 50 charisma most of time.
I know its not usual build - but I had wis based evoker fvs and in EE content it just wasnt great at all.
10 DR is not a big loose for me. Its not like items Dr and fvs cap Dr stacks... no idea if its supposed to... but from my tests I know it does not.
Searing Light Cap is sweet BUT - I feel like I prefer Sovereigh Host Faith considering skill that removes all Death Penalties, heals to full hp and removes neg lvls and skill dmg. Its a nice skill if someone in your pty died 3-4 times and have too low hp to survive. And no ones going to sit and wait till it goes away.
Also with Divine Wraith and Avenging Light and twisted burst I feel like im good without capstone. The only loose from capstone that hurts me is 2 cha.

I know that in EH content wis build fvs will be a lot better than this build/ But in EE wis based is just meh... :P. Survivability in EE is priority on fvs. Then goes keeping up others. And then goes instants/dmg. (instants on fvs are just not working with 58-60 dc 70% of time to yeah...).

I am still considering dropping ment. toughness for a imp. shield mastery tho...

[Matuse]

I am wondering if not to exchange Emp. Healing for Imp. Shield Mastery but I thing Ill stay with Emp. Heal. Ill see at epic lvls actually. Was fvs before EGH was added and no idea if emp. heal is must have now or not. (on cures Ill use empower as I have enhancements for it).

If you're going to drop something, I'd make it Imp Mental Toughness. Just not really worth it for the pittance of SP you get.

Empower Healing used to be not worth it for FvS, but it gives a -huge- boost to ED healing abilities, and has become a lot more important.

Is there anything I missed that would make my character better?

Feats at 21 & 24...

Also definitely put me in for dropping Con down to 16 and investing those points in Str and/or Dex. Str drain starts at level 1, and it never ends. Even with a Str score in the low 20s, it's incredibly easy to become heavily burdened or even helpless due to the myriad of str drains that spellcaster mobs use on us. Plus, at low levels, you're going to need to be able to pick up a weapon and hit things at least a LITTLE bit. I would never under any circumstances build any character with less than 12 str.

[Ellihor]

If I do a build like this, but going for greater dragonmark of finding, what feats should I change?

[unbongwah]

If I do a build like this, but going for greater dragonmark of finding, what feats should I change?

Well, you'd need the 3 Finding DMs, obviously, and at least one metamagic for AoV PrE (probably Maximize); beyond that it's up to you, but I'd want Quicken & Emp Heal at a minimum.

[Candela90]

If I do a build like this, but going for greater dragonmark of finding, what feats should I change?

Hm... I dont see the reason for doing it. You would need to drop 3 feats.
Obviously Id drop mental toughness, imp, mental toughness and epic mental toughness for this build. I mean - dropping paladin lvl or shield mastery would mean loosing a lot of survivability. Maximize, Empower, Emp. Heal and Quicken are great also and dropping any would mean worse spellcasting in EE.
I feel like 500-600sp is better than this dragonmark for me. But if u wish to do so, it wouldnt be a big loose. ITs only mana. We have torc. Pots. Conc opp items.

[AtomicMew]

I've been playing this split for a while. It's excellent support DPS and a party healer who is not a waste of space. With divine wrath and energy burst twist, you have amazing AoE DPS that rivals shiradi/draconic sorcs. The problem is that you have terrible single target DPS outside of divine punishment which takes too long to ramp up for trash mobs. So while it's excellent in a group setting, it's a bit weak for general and solo play.

[Candela90]

I've been playing this split for a while. It's excellent support DPS and a party healer who is not a waste of space. With divine wrath and energy burst twist, you have amazing AoE DPS that rivals shiradi/draconic sorcs. The problem is that you have terrible single target DPS outside of divine punishment which takes too long to ramp up for trash mobs. So while it's excellent in a group setting, it's a bit weak for general and solo play.

Solo Id just kite thro BB, and Burst, Divine Wraith. DP Bosses ofc. True - its not BIG dps. But its better to take mobs down longer and survive than to have burst dps but be squishy. At least from my point of view.
Still... I got to 20 with my wizzy yesterday and waiting to Tr into this one... Ill wait a while to see if Turbine goes with this enh pass or not - considering that enh pass can make better or break this build.

[AtomicMew]

True, you can kite melee mobs through BB, but not all mobs are BB-able. And being that the build is charisma based, your DCs won't be so great. Still a great build especially for party play, just not as solid for solo play IME.