DPS pally build?

[Symerith]

Good idea but I would splash a little more:

15 paly 2 fighter 3 monk

Go S&B with bastard sword or D-axe and bastion (easy to get) in LD Destiny.

Take both shield mastery´s and exotic weapon feats.

This would open up option for evasion (with great saves this is a very viable option in EE)
More defense with shield and glancing blows with bastard sword or D-axe. Spamming cleaves and momentum swings and other LD goodies. With Zeal, shield feats and double-strike gear you will get some nice double-strike percentage.

But nowhere near as fun or powerful DPS wise as an esos THF pally or dual deathnips paladin

Looks like Wujoh still has some days ahead to decide anyway :P

[Purkilius]

But nowhere near as fun or powerful DPS wise as an esos THF pally or dual deathnips paladin

Looks like Wujoh still has some days ahead to decide anyway :P

Yeah I was thinking to TR my main to either similar pally build or esos wielding melee druid decided on the druid just need the basic weapon now

Only wish I could make a GS tenser clickie

[SealedInSong]

Generally you want to go TWF for paladin DPS.

Agree with Sigtrent here since you're talking about as past life. Viconiax is of course making a very valid point about THF when it comes to epic content (and you being in Fury or Dreadnought), however.

Personally, I'm guessing unarmed will give you the most bang for your buck for many reasons (alacrity, Divine Might + full off hand bonus, presupposition of having 2 monk levels for evasion, etc)

[drowrogue]

Wolfy has a solid build laid out for ya.

Another build to consider...

9MNK/11 PLD (if you are TRing right away).

1-9 MNK for Touch of Death and improved Evasion.

Then just roll with PLD from then on out.

This^
I did this for my pally PL and it worked great..you can even throw in a Fighter level at 10 if you want an extra feat.
So 1-9 Monk
10 fighter
11-20 Pally
TR

[Purkilius]

im looking for a EE capable/ self suffiencent / decent DPS build

^^

[drowrogue]

im lookingat the 14 pally 6 monk, its decent i have lots of wraps, il most likely TR asap when i cap

^^

[EllisDee37]

For all around DPS, chalice.

Erm...what? KotC only helps against evil outsiders. Unless you meant the extra 3 smites?

You know pally is in bad shape when the tank prestige is also the dps prestige, but there you go.

[maddmatt70]

Level 20 Paladin Human Hunter of the Dead. Fury of the Wild 5.
Feats:
Human: Empower Healing
Quicken
TWF
ITWF
GTWF
Power Attack
Icrit Slash
Cleave (toughness)
Great Cleave (precision) if going helf and drop overwhelming crit.
Overwhelming critical slash

Weapons: Primary hand Axe of Adaxus and off hand Balizarde rapier.
The physical resistance will be about 58 wearing full plate with prr augment and planar focus trinket. The healing amp will be 1.3 * 1.3 * 1.3 * 1.2. Saves will reach close to 50 for each save. Hit points will be 800s about.
Wear ee ring of shadows. devotion item or slot devotion on axe of adaxus.
Enhancements: max out smites and divine might and healing amp and put some into devotion.
Twists: Cocoon, regenerating smites, regenerating lay on hands.
Playstyle: Your adrenaline smites will reach about 10k under optimum conditions. you will be about self healing cocoon should hit on yourself for 150+ per tick and cost 12 spell points, you have 6 lay on hands that regenerate and cure seroius woiunds hits for 300+. Style is self healing so imagine a higher dps battle cleric/fvs with less group spells.

[Enoach]

Not sure if by cap you mean 20 or 25. And if you mean 20 why the EE requirement?

If going to 20 and TR, might I suggest 1/6/11 Rogue/Fighter/Paladin Kensei/HotD, build to your own taste for THF or TWF.

Use the Rogue Level at 1 to jump start skills, have basic trap and lock pick abilities for extra XP - Keep enhancing the gear for Spot/Search/OL/DD.

[Dieterstrife]

Hey

for something that could work in EE with high DPS and maintaining self sufficiency.

Human 20 paladin OR 18 paladin / 2 fighter
Feats: 8 or 10 depending on if fighter splash
Cleave
Great cleave
OC
Toughness
Quicken
PA
Stunning blow
THF
ITHF
GTHF
(last 2 THF feats w/ 2 ftr splash)

Fury of the wild (there's just too much synergy btw adrenaline and smites)
Twists:
Haste boost
Tactics
Brace for impact


Another idea would be (definitely what I'd do if I was making a paladin)
Human 18/2 paly w/ ftr splash
Dual wielding Deathnips.
THF>TWF atm in the game although dual wielding is rather viable with paladins.
You are looking at a little DPS machine with full time DR breaking deathnips on a high saves/high PRR platform with extreme self healing (quickened heals/LOH) and +10k crits.

Although you are probably just grabbing the pally life, this build should be fun to play at cap, and with a lot of potential for the enh. pass as you'll be able to grab ravager (at a higher cost. Horc variant would drop toughness, and might struggle a little with to-hit).

This thing. Go dual wield if you please, but regardless this is the dps Paladin build. Have a buddy that started off as a Barbarian, but has since decided to travel onto the Completionist train. Did a few lives of different things, but then decided to do his Paladin life. All other builds he did (including a melee Arti, similar to Juggernaut but just 2 fighter) he stayed on for only about a week or so. The paladin life? Over a month and a half, doing EE's and just testing out the widely accepted theory of "Paladins are not dps."

Notice, he's more or less one of the max geared people running around. ESOS, Cormyr red armor, claw set etc etc. He could not get over just how much damage he did for something that just would not die.

[Loriac]

Hey

for something that could work in EE with high DPS and maintaining self sufficiency.

Human 20 paladin OR 18 paladin / 2 fighter
Feats: 8 or 10 depending on if fighter splash
Cleave
Great cleave
OC
Toughness
Quicken
PA
Stunning blow
THF
ITHF
GTHF
(last 2 THF feats w/ 2 ftr splash)

Fury of the wild (there's just too much synergy btw adrenaline and smites)
Twists:
Haste boost
Tactics
Brace for impact


Another idea would be (definitely what I'd do if I was making a paladin)
Human 18/2 paly w/ ftr splash
Dual wielding Deathnips.
THF>TWF atm in the game although dual wielding is rather viable with paladins.
You are looking at a little DPS machine with full time DR breaking deathnips on a high saves/high PRR platform with extreme self healing (quickened heals/LOH) and +10k crits.

Although you are probably just grabbing the pally life, this build should be fun to play at cap, and with a lot of potential for the enh. pass as you'll be able to grab ravager (at a higher cost. Horc variant would drop toughness, and might struggle a little with to-hit).

This is missing an improved critical qualifying feat for OC. Also, how effective would stunning blow be in EE content given the paladin's more limited ability to boost DCs (vs. fighter) and lower strength?

If looking to go without evasion, I think a Pal18/F1/Rgr1 could work, with the following feats (at level 25):

PA, Cleave, G. Cleave, IC:S, OC
PBS, Rapid Shot, Manyshot
Toughness, Quicken

I'm not so enamoured of the OC feat either; it gives bigger numbers but ultimately its an additional 10% of base damage. I'd be strongly tempted to drop it for empower healing on a paladin. A human paladin could afford to keep it, but an interesting dps alternative is a HOrc version to pick up the PA and 2H damage enhancements.

An alternative is the Pal15/Monk3/Ranger2

This one has an additional feat from the monk levels, and gets rapid shot for free. It also has very nice saves, with +5Ref/Fort from the splash and +3Wil, offsetting the HOrc cha penalty. If you want DoS you'd have to pay for it with a feat, unless you swapped the classes to P15/M2/Rgr3 which would give you diehard for free from ranger 3. On this variant, you could keep OC and pick up IC:Ranged too.

With both variants, you pick up sprint boost from ranger which is quite nice for general speed. If you drop stunning blow, you'd also drop legendary tactics, leaving something like momentum swing as a logical choice of twist. Otherwise, haste boost and brace for impact are very solid choices.

[maddmatt70]

This thing. Go dual wield if you please, but regardless this is the dps Paladin build. Have a buddy that started off as a Barbarian, but has since decided to travel onto the Completionist train. Did a few lives of different things, but then decided to do his Paladin life. All other builds he did (including a melee Arti, similar to Juggernaut but just 2 fighter) he stayed on for only about a week or so. The paladin life? Over a month and a half, doing EE's and just testing out the widely accepted theory of "Paladins are not dps."

Notice, he's more or less one of the max geared people running around. ESOS, Cormyr red armor, claw set etc etc. He could not get over just how much damage he did for something that just would not die.

Cocoon is incredible for pallys' - you just cant beat 12 spell points for the type of healing if you do a pally right with massive healing amp and fit in empower healing and devotion you are looking at 6-8 ticks of 150-200 healing for 8 seconds with a rather short cooldown. Cocoon, endless lay on hands, and endless smiting are the best three twists. If you need more fort wear an exceptional fortification item.

[nni]

The more I've thought about it, the more I'm convinced of an 15/3/2 Paladin/Monk/Fighter being better in every way than a 18/2 with either Fighter or Monk splash. This is if you were considering going HotD. You give up the 3rd tier prestige (which I'm not sure is worth getting anyway), but gain back the heal amp from the 3rd monk level. You get 2 extra feats, faster movement speed, possibility of using light monk buffs if needed.

You can still go THF or TWF and wear light or heavy armor acording to the quest.

[whereispowderedsilve]

The more I've thought about it, the more I'm convinced of an 18/3/2 Paladin/Monk/Fighter being better in every way than a 18/2 with either Fighter or Monk splash. This is if you were considering going HotD. You give up the 3rd tier prestige (which I'm not sure is worth getting anyway), but gain back the heal amp from the 3rd monk level. You get 2 extra feats, faster movement speed, possibility of using light monk buffs if needed.

You can still go THF or TWF and wear light or heavy armor acording to the quest.

you mean 15 pally // 3 monk // 2 fighter :P! !

[emptysands]

But nowhere near as fun or powerful DPS wise as an esos THF pally or dual deathnips paladin

Looks like Wujoh still has some days ahead to decide anyway :P

14 Paladin with Zeal is pretty close to Fighter 20.

Self-heals from 15 Paladin/3 Monk/2 Fighter is much better than full out dps from 20 Fighter.

With 15 Paladin/3 Monk/2 Fighter you have:

7 base, 2 fighter, 2 monk, 2 epic = 13 feats, 14 if human. Go Dwarf for extra saves, tactics and Axes. Or Human for extra feat/heal amp.

Defensive (3): Toughness, Empower Healing, Quicken
Offensive (8): PA, IC:Slash, THF, ITHF, GTHF, Cleave, GC, OC

Leaves 2 free feats:
Shield Mastery, Improved Shield Mastery for shield dps mode.
Improved Sunder, Stunning Fist of Stunning Blow for CC option.

Potentially push 17 + 4 CON as dwarf for Epic Toughness.

As mentioned by someone else, monk 3 replaces HOTD 3 for heal amp.

[nni]

you mean 15 pally // 3 monk // 2 fighter ! !

:d

[EllisDee37]

Yeah, 15/3/2 has a LOT going for it.

Leaves 2 free feats:
Shield Mastery, Improved Shield Mastery for shield dps mode.
Improved Sunder, Stunning Fist of Stunning Blow for CC option.

Potentially push 17 + 4 CON as dwarf for Epic Toughness.

You probably won't have any usable stun dc, so can likely toss those. The two shield mastery are sweet for tanks, for sure.

Personally I'd spend them on Magical Training (80sp + Echoes of Power) and Extend, both mainly for quality of life.

[Therigar]

Str 17 (13)
Dex 14 (06) +3 tome for GTWF
Con 15 (08)
Int 08 (00)
wis 11 (03)
Cha 14 (06)

I agree with the stat distribution except in one area: I would not put points into WIS but would instead continue to raise STR to 18.

The reason is this, Paladins top out with L4 spells. An 8 starting WIS with any common +6 WIS item enables full spell use. With the overabundance of augments on equipment as of the last update it should be trivial to slot a +6 WIS. You could even work a combination of tomes (likely at least +3 on any TR already) with gear to easily meet or exceed the WIS requirement.

Keep this in mind as well, if you splash you are likely not going to even get L4 spells -- making WIS even less important.

Regarding feats and combat styles, THF is generally considered dominant at the moment. Splashing Ranger for access to TWF and bow feats is clever but probably does not increase DPS.

Instead, I would probably look at 12 Paladin/8 Fighter. This surrenders evasion but many characters do without evasion. Evasion in and of itself should not be the deciding factor on the build.

Taking 8 fighter levels gives 5 feats that can be directly linked to combat. In particular things like Stunning Blow and giving a tactics approach to the build.

If evasion is important to you then 6 figher/2 monk gets you 6 feats to work with. Given the changes to the AC system I'm not sure that you benefit from the monk levels and evasion. But, that is up to you to work through.

[emptysands]

Yeah, 15/3/2 has a LOT going for it.

You probably won't have any usable stun dc, so can likely toss those. The two shield mastery are sweet for tanks, for sure.

Personally I'd spend them on Magical Training (80sp + Echoes of Power) and Extend, both mainly for quality of life.

Stunning Fist - you are probably right

Stunning Blow - maybe:

17 +4 +8 +1 +3 = 32 +1enh. +2(ship) +5 (primal) +2(yugo) = 40 +5 lvl = 46 (one level up into CON for epic toughness.)

10 base
18 STR
10 item
05 eCM
03 Dwarven Tactics III
03 Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
06 LD
=55
03 Improved Sunder debuff
~58
01 Profane STR gloves

... maybe a bit tricky to get a decent 60+ GH EE level stun. But good enough for MOTU.

[emptysands]

Another idea that might work with the level 28 epic feat is Human 15/4 Ranger/1 Monk:

7 base, 1 monk, 3 epic, 1 Human = 12 feats.

Ranger (Free): Bow Strength, Rapid Shot, TWF, Precise Shot

Defensive (3): Toughness, Empower Healing, Quicken
Offensive (5): PA, IC:Slash, Cleave, GC, OC
Ranged(4): PBS, Manyshot, IPS, IC: Ranged

Manyshot - Rq: PBS and Rapid Shot, DEX 17 and BAB6
Improved Precise Shot - Rq: Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, DEX 19, BAB +11

Plus you get Ram's Might and Zeal.