Need some advice/help on using Free LR on an unusual Hordo bard build

[whereispowderedsilve]

***FOR A FREE LR NOT A TR!*** ***Also for my reference but helpful suggestions are invited!***

***I will eventually TR this toon but not for a month or 2 or more! So in the meantime trying to optimize it!***

***NOTE: NOT PLANNING ON RUNNING EPIC ELITES WITH THIS TOON*** Maybe down to the road, eventually.

Please make any suggestions/recommendations/advice bearing that in mind.

Yes, yes any ___ can run EH, but I still want to be the best at it or strive to be the best & steadily improving.

Also if you do make a suggestion on gear or feats or anything, please list the reasoning behind it! Thanks!

The terrorweb plate is staying as it's the upgraded one & I have the clerics set.

Also the Epic bucc ring tier 3 has GFL slotted in it, so that is staying as well.

What bracers should I get instead?(Thinking healing amp 20% with Superior Parrying).

The belt will eventually be replaced with a greensteel +45 hp belt. Any other advice on gear is more then welcome! !

Weapon wise I have 2 drow scimitars, also almost have 2 tier 2 alchem scimitars(earth/air flametouched iron)

2 seals & a base away from having 2 EKronzeks, I will also try & grab 2 balizarde's from CITW as well. Cheers!

I have 2 +5 Holy scimitars of EOB for running shroud, and 2 smiting scimitars as well, and 2 epic calomel scimitars.

Build info/screenshots:

http://my.ddo.com/character/orien/goargos/

http://ddocrafting.info/index.php?se...kup%21&p=myddo





Original build by Hordo: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=13

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Hordosoul Canach
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Male
(14 Bard \ 6 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 304
Spell Points: 1070 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 16
Will: 21

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 21                   21
Dexterity             8                 10                   10
Constitution         14                 16                   17
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom               12                 14                   14
Charisma             18                 20                   20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               3                 19                   19
Bluff                 4                  5                    5
Concentration         6                 26                   26
Diplomacy             4                 11                   11
Disable Device       n/a                n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                  5                    5
Heal                  1                  2                    2
Hide                 -1                  0                    0
Intimidate            4                  5                    9
Jump                  2                  5                    5
Listen                1                  2                    2
Move Silently        -1                  0                    0
Open Lock            n/a                n/a                   n/a
Perform               8                 28                   28
Repair               -1                  0                    0
Search               -1                  0                    0
Spot                  1                  2                    2
Swim                  2                  5                    5
Tumble                3                 10                   10
Use Magic Device      8                 28                   28

Level 1 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Perform (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Mixed Heritage
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Social Graces (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Spell (1): Focusing Chant
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I


Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I


Level 3 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Spell (1): Sonic Blast
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Rage


Level 5 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (1): Feather Fall


Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (3): Good Hope
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (2): Invisibility


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Undying Court
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Nightshield
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 10 (Bard)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Spell (3): Displacement
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Child of the Undying Court
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (2): Deific Vengance
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II


Level 13 (Bard)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Spell (2): Spawn Screen
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Undying Call
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Spell (4): Dimension Door
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 17 (Bard)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Break Enchantment
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III


Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II


Level 19 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Shout
Spell (5): Greater Heroism
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Perform (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (5): Greater Dispel Magic
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV

Shout out to Hordo for the build! I like it a lot! :P! ! ! xD!

starting stats a bit diff though:

17 STR
8 DEX
16 CON
8 INT
10 WIS
16 CHA

I want to change it to this:

14 Bard(Warchanter 2)/6 FvS(Angel of Vengeance 1)

17 STR
10 DEX?
17 CON
8  INT
8  WIS
12 CHA

All +2 tomes(will buy upgrade of STR & CON to +3)

Level 1  Feat: Helf Pally
Level 1  Feat: Toughness

Level 3  Feat: Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons ***(Prereq for Warchanter)***

Level 6  Feat: Power Attack ***(Prereq for Warchanter)***

Level 9  Feat: Empower Spell ***(Prereq for Angel of Vengeance)***

Level 12 Feat: Extend or Drop for Cleave to meet prereq for Overwhelming Crit?

Level 15 Feat: Imp Crit: Slashing

Level 18 Feat: Great Cleave (Had Force of Personality here)

Level  4 +1 STR

Level  8 +1 STR

Level 12 +1 STR

Level 16 +1 CHA or STR?

Level 20 +1 CHA or STR?

Level 21 Feat: Overwhelming Critical

Level 24 +1 CON (for Epic Toughness)

TLDR:

Should I swap in cleave & great cleave & pick up Overwhelming Critical & Epic Toughness?

What other gear should I switch around?

Epic Destiny wise: Run in FS with Lay waste & momentum swing twisted in? Or run in LD & keep the same twists as I have them now?

[whomhead]

Here I was thinking a Hordo bard would be one built for the bard-sacrifice to the loot gods.

[whereispowderedsilve]

Here's some more info on my playstyle etc. Would really appreciate some advice before I do this Free LR, will try it on Lama 1st.

• I do no offensive casting at all practically. I do use lots of scrolls though as the situation requires.
  
• Usually will buff the group/pug/raid group just before we get started. I usually rush in with the melees, use sirens song & dirge & try & DPS as I can.
  
• Try to heal if someone needs healing, try & keep my songs up.
  
• I'm pretty sure on the starting stats in regards to the STR & CON at 17 cos I'm trying to fit in those 2 Epic feats(Epic Toughness & Overwhelming Crit).
  
• I'm not so sure on the rest though, DEX @ 10? INT @ 8 or 10? Dump WIS @ 8? CHA @ 12 or?
  
• The skills I will still use from the original build. The feats it sucks I have to drop Extend to pick up OC.
  
• Enhancements wise I think I will drop Racial toughness 3 & pick up Bard Wand & Scroll Mastery I & II for sure.
  
• Not sure about Undying call, that is 4AP, any thoughts what I could replace it with?
  

Again gear wise, please take a look at my yourddo profile (http://ddocrafting.info/myddo/orien/goargos/).

I want to replace the Tharaak bracers for something else, not sure what though!

Also any other suggestions gear wise would be greatly appreciated! :P! !

ED wise, thinking running in Fatesinger with Lay waste & Momentum swing twisted in(I fight with dual scimitars don't forget).

Will try grind out 3 more fate points then use either Brace for Impact or Unearthly Reactions as my last twist.

Also could try running in LD with Reign & Unearthly & Brace twisted in? I don't have FOTW unlocked yet so. I could try that as well.

Again if you do make any suggestions please explain the reasoning behind it/them! Cheers! :P! !

[Cealdor]

my thought of the day about your build:
your getting rid of racial toughness 3 -> why not replace it with bard wand mastery 3 and 4?

[Celastelin]

Have you thought of going for the house C bracers to complete the house C set?

[whereispowderedsilve]

my thought of the day about your build:
your getting rid of racial toughness 3 -> why not replace it with bard wand mastery 3 and 4?

Yes I'm going to drop Racial Toughness 3 & pick up at least Bard Wand & Scroll Mastery I & II.

I may also drop Undying Call & pick up Bard Wand & Scroll Mastery 3 & 4.

Have you thought of going for the house C bracers to complete the house C set?

Ya the house C bracers are an option, as are some of the sweet EGH bracers or the loot-gen 20% hamp with the Sup Parrying on them.

Any other thoughts from anyone else? Again not 100% on the 32 point stat distribution. Thanks in advance! Cheers! :P!: )!