Prison of the Planes

[Madae]

There is one room in this quest that makes it impossible for one person to do it alone if they don't meet the requirements, granted they know nothing about the quest and didn't want to cheat it by looking at the wiki for the walkthrough.

Symbol of the Order of Daanvi, as it's mentioned in the wiki, has a prisoner in it that requires that you be lawful and answer some questions apparently. I went into the room by having my hireling flip the switch, who then immediately tried to follow me and ran into the prison field, slowly killing himself. I was locked in the room with no way to get out, because I was not lawful and he wouldn't speak to me. Even if my hireling didn't kill himself, there was no way for me to select the switch once I was in the room so I could have him turn it off to get out. This is also assuming that my hireling wouldn't magically reappear next to me inside because he couldn't find a route (that could be a problem, too).

I suppose the only option that I could see was to buy an alignment change from the store, but I don't know how that works, whether or not I had to log out, and whether or not I would even be in the quest or room anymore if I did.

Still, it would be nice if there was some way to back out of this in case you make a mistake like I did. Making the force field not cause damage would be one, because you have to know going in that your dumb hireling will try to follow you until he dies on it, which would require setting him to stay put or whatever (and there's no practical reason for why the cell should damage you anyway - that's stupid). Also, if there was a way to select the switch from inside the cell, that would work in conjunction with the previous suggestion. Currently, you can't, or at least I didn't find a way. I was forced to try something that ultimately didn't work (dying and running through the shield to see if I could make it to a res shrine - I found that I couldn't run through it) and then I found myself back at camp after releasing, and a long way from the quest.

[Jevern]

All hirelings have a toggle that allows them to 'stand ground'. If you do this before making your hireling hit the switch it won't follow you and therefore won't kill itself.

Pressing 'G' turns autotargeting off, meaning you won't target anything unless you right click it. This allows you to keep the switch targeted while talking to the Djinn in the room.

[Madae]

All hirelings have a toggle that allows them to 'stand ground'. If you do this before making your hireling hit the switch it won't follow you and therefore won't kill itself.

Pressing 'G' turns autotargeting off, meaning you won't target anything unless you right click it. This allows you to keep the switch targeted while talking to the Djinn in the room.

That doesn't help me right now, and of course I think of this after it happens. I did not realize my hireling would do that. Also, turning off auto target is a bad work around, too, because that's requiring that you know what to do beforehand. Not everyone is that way. Something else needs to be done.

[Maxallu]

It is not required to complete that room to complete the quest.

[Madae]

It is not required to complete that room to complete the quest.

Forgive me for saying, but thank you for pointing out the obvious.

[Madae]

So far, there seems to be a growing misconception in this thread; not everyone here knows everything about the game, or every single quest, or feels the need to look it up and finish it as quickly as possible by, basically, cheating. Some people like to do things just to do them and figure them out for themselves. This quest has a problem with it that makes it difficult to do that, which is why I made it.

So, thank you for your tips and tricks and all that, but there is a logic here that I think you're missing.

[Krelar]

Some people like to do things just to do them and figure them out for themselves.

Nothing wrong with this, it's even how I frequently do thing, but you have to realize that sometimes you're going to fail when you do it this way. Then you either try something else next time or you decide to look for hints.

[Madae]

Nothing wrong with this, it's even how I frequently do thing, but you have to realize that sometimes you're going to fail when you do it this way. Then you either try something else next time or you decide to look for hints.

Losing the bonus to exp by reentry, or dying thinking you can do something to salvage it, and then reappearing at your bind point 5-10 minutes away from the quest is a lesson that doesn't have to be learned in this case. I was doing fine in this quest until I ran into this room, and now I have to run back, reset it (because I care about silly things like maximum exp for a quest) and do everything I just did over again. That's irritating, and in my opinion, is not what a game should be about. You're just making excuses for a quest that has an inherent problem that is easily fixed, and ultimately doesn't affect how you experience the quest either.

[Phoenix-daBard]

The first time I ran this quest I solo'd on a neutral good character without resorting to any help sites. I wasn't able to do that room and figured I would come back to it and figure it out. Then discovered I didn't have to when I completed.

You can retarget the switch at anytime by hitting the Q key while facing that direction as indicated in the manual for the game.

I had no problem with my hireling but then I learned how all the controls for a hireling worked on Korthos. Hirelings are a quest tool and I make sure I know how to use my tools before depending on them.

[Madae]

The first time I ran this quest I solo'd on a neutral good character without resorting to any help sites. I wasn't able to do that room and figured I would come back to it and figure it out. Then discovered I didn't have to when I completed.

You can retarget the switch at anytime by hitting the Q key while facing that direction as indicated in the manual for the game.

I had no problem with my hireling but then I learned how all the controls for a hireling worked on Korthos. Hirelings are a quest tool and I make sure I know how to use my tools before depending on them.

Thanks for making me feel like an idiot for not mastering the tools at my disposal before entering a quest I knew nothing about. I appreciate it.

Please stop arguing with me. This is a suggestion forum. This is my suggestion. Telling me how wrong I am is meaningless, because you do not decide whether a fix gets implemented. If you can't see the logic in this, than there is nothing I can do for you.

[Qhualor]

have to agree with Krelar. if you don't know and want to know by "cheating", than there is a chance you could fail at it. you know the options. wether you like them or not, those are it. next time you now not to go into that room unless you are lawful. I understand wanting max xp in a quest as I do the same thing when I solo, but the xp is only around 650. its the same as the other rooms. not every quest in the game is achievable with max xp. im not upset because my pure barb cant get traps for bonus xp.

[Madae]

have to agree with Krelar.

That's great.

Please stop arguing with me. This is a suggestion forum. This is my suggestion. Telling me how wrong I am is meaningless, because you do not decide whether a fix gets implemented. If you can't see the logic in this, than there is nothing I can do for you.

[Enoach]

I understand your frustration that you got beat by a technicality and not beat by a Monster or Trap.

It was unfortunate that your hireling decided the Electrified wall looked like it could be walk through, thus preventing you from releasing yourself.

Potential Options you do have available

• Call out to friends/guild for some help
• Put up an LFM - You can say IP at Daanvi Room - Just waiting for you
• Recall - Use a Shrine and rest and try again
• /Death go back to your bind point and run back
• Use Dimensional Door Spell (Memory/Scroll)
• Use DDO store purchase a Gold Seal With Dimensional Door abilities
• Teleport/Greater Teleport to a spot closest to Gianthold Ruins
• Have a pity party

What you do is up to you. But ask yourself, what would your reaction have been if You and your hireling got beat by any other method (death by Trap or death by Monster) and is that different than getting beat by a quest mechanic?

I applaud you wanting to learn quests on your own, but in doing so you need to realize you will make mistakes that will cost you a completion.

[Maxallu]

Forgive me for saying, but thank you for pointing out the obvious.

But I don't understand. If that's so obvious, why do you have such a problem with POP?

[Madae]

I applaud you wanting to learn quests on your own, but in doing so you need to realize you will make mistakes that will cost you a completion.

Failure by death or mistake is one thing. Failure by a problem in design is another.

[Madae]

You people just don't get it, do you? This forum... I swear.

I'm done here. Have fun hashing it out among yourselves. Your opinions mean nothing to me anyway.

[Maxallu]

have to agree with Krelar. if you don't know and want to know by "cheating", than there is a chance you could fail at it. you know the options. wether you like them or not, those are it. next time you now not to go into that room unless you are lawful. I understand wanting max xp in a quest as I do the same thing when I solo, but the xp is only around 650. its the same as the other rooms. not every quest in the game is achievable with max xp. im not upset because my pure barb cant get traps for bonus xp.

Awesome. Yes, some people learn by failing first. This is not cheating, sometimes you lose. You got beat and you tried again and were successful. Congratz, you learned something, without 'cheating.'

[Enoach]

Failure by death or mistake is one thing. Failure by a problem in design is another.

The problem is you see this as a design flaw, when it is a mechanic designed in for a reason. Outside of an inconvenience of having to start over you haven't really given much reason why an method outside of pulling the lever on the outside (or the other options I listed) is even needed.

It is a prison cell adding in a release lever inside would not be practical

When the group in the cell are all dead the cell barrier drops (of course you might as well be miles from a rez shrine)

There are other quests that have designs where the mechanic can beat you if not prepared.


And by the way "We" do get it, you got beat by a mechanic of the quest due to a series of unfortunate events. A columniation of which has tainted your opinion of the mechanic.

[Krelar]

Please stop arguing with me. This is a suggestion forum. This is my suggestion. Telling me how wrong I am is meaningless, because you do not decide whether a fix gets implemented. If you can't see the logic in this, than there is nothing I can do for you.

You're correct and we are offering a counter suggestion that the quest is fine as is. So that the people who do decide if a fix is needed or not can see alternate opinions. Is that logical enough?

[Taters214]

You people just don't get it, do you? This forum... I swear.

I'm done here. Have fun hashing it out among yourselves. Your opinions mean nothing to me anyway.

That's obvious. Your opinion is the only one that counts. You made that clear in your previous posts.

I love this. So basically, nothing anyone could have said would have been "right" unless he said, "Yes, I agree with you 100%. /signed" Any other response simply received a venomous retort. Geesh, these folks were trying to help you and give suggestions, after all.

For the record, it's not a "poor design" just because someone fails at it and thinks it's unfair. Maybe the devs made it that way on purpose to encourage team play in an MMO. I hate certain mechanics about Coal Chamber, but that doesn't make it a poor design. A poor design is hierlings that stand in a trap and cast heal on themselves while dying. A poor design is countless bugs that don't get fixed, with new bugs coming out every update (where did my outfit go???). There's lots of fights I could pick about poor design, but this isn't one of them.

I get the frustration, but not the logic of the argument.