Prison of the Planes

[Madae]

That's obvious. Your opinion is the only one that counts. You made that clear in your previous posts.

I love this. So basically, nothing anyone could have said would have been "right" unless he said, "Yes, I agree with you 100%. /signed" Any other response simply received a venomous retort. Geesh, these folks were trying to help you and give suggestions, after all.

For the record, it's not a "poor design" just because someone fails at it and thinks it's unfair. Maybe the devs made it that way on purpose to encourage team play in an MMO. I hate certain mechanics about Coal Chamber, but that doesn't make it a poor design. A poor design is hierlings that stand in a trap and cast heal on themselves while dying. A poor design is countless bugs that don't get fixed, with new bugs coming out every update (where did my outfit go???). There's lots of fights I could pick about poor design, but this isn't one of them.

I get the frustration, but not the logic of the argument.

I said it already; this is a suggestion forum, not an argue with the OP forum because you don't like the idea. You being here and arguing with me, while slightly entertaining (and tiring) means absolutely squat, because it's not you or your fellows that decide what gets changed and what doesn't, it's whether or not Turbine thinks the idea is relevant and worth looking at. If it changes, it changes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I could really care less. I merely thought the idea was worth presenting, so I made a post about it.

You people can talk over me all you want, tell me how awesome you are at the game and how you saw this miles away, how you have all these great ideas for getting by the problem, and how you don't think it's a problem to begin with. That's great, but arguing with me won't get your way any more than arguing with you will get my way. It's just boring and nonsensical.

The ultimate irony; you're acting like your opinion means more than mine when you say "Here's how you get around it, no problem at all". Again, I don't care, I already see your suggestions and workarounds because I'm not a moron that can't figure it out for himself. It's simply not the point.

Thanks for your time.

[shadereaper33]

So, you ran a quest for the first time, knowing absolutely nothing about it or how to work your hireling, and failed. Now, you come to the forums and suggest that Turbine makes the game easier to support you not having to learn anything the hard way? And you wonder why there are so many negative responses to your suggestion. Yes, this is a suggestion forum, for people to post suggestions about possible improvements to the game. However, it is NOT solely for the posting of suggestions and then leaving the thread completely alone. This forum is also for other community members to read the suggestions of their peers and provide their feedback on said suggestions to either improve upon the original suggestion, assist the OP with whatever issue brought up the suggestion in the first place, or provide counter-arguments to the suggestion. This isn't your personal "I think the game should be this way" forum, others are equally able to come in here and post reasons why they disagree with your suggestions. If you don't like that, don't post.

[Madae]

And you wonder why there are so many negative responses to your suggestion.

I'm sure that has so much to do with my opinion being "bad" and not anything to do with the character of the person making the post.

I also don't make a habit of going into other threads and starting arguments because I feel like it, and I don't feel the need to swing my opinion around in other threads just because I can.

Yes, this is a suggestion forum, for people to post suggestions about possible improvements to the game. However, it is NOT solely for the posting of suggestions and then leaving the thread completely alone. This forum is also for other community members to read the suggestions of their peers and provide their feedback on said suggestions to either improve upon the original suggestion, assist the OP with whatever issue brought up the suggestion in the first place, or provide counter-arguments to the suggestion.

And I was fine with it up until a point. I'm not going to tell a dozen people the same thing over and over because they don't want to hear what I have to say and then act like they know better.

If you don't like that, don't post.

I can easily just say "If you don't like what I post, don't post". You have a very self-serving attitude.

And you being here and arguing with me isn't going to magically make a difference when Turbine takes a look and decides whether or not it's worth changing. They are smart enough to figure out for themselves whether or not it's a good or bad idea.

[xxScoobyDooxx]

This is a suggestion forum. This is my suggestion. Telling me how wrong I am is meaningless

No one is telling you that you are wrong... they are just suggesting it.

[sirgog]

You should have been given a warning "Group quest - recommend 2+ players, hirelings might not suffice" before entering the quest. I recommend paying attention to those things.

POP is not designed for a solo player at all and the game gives you ample warning. If you want to show off by trying to solo something not designed to be soloed, don't expect sympathy when you come unstuck.

[Madae]

No one is telling you that you are wrong... they are just suggesting it.

I refuse to argue semantics.

[Madae]

You should have been given a warning "Group quest - recommend 2+ players, hirelings might not suffice" before entering the quest. I recommend paying attention to those things.

POP is not designed for a solo player at all and the game gives you ample warning. If you want to show off by trying to solo something not designed to be soloed, don't expect sympathy when you come unstuck.

You are correct - I just checked and didn't see the warning in my journal. I will concede that point.

However, assumptions are not needed here. You're being rude by (incorrectly) assuming anything about me. I did it because I just wanted to unlock the next quests, and I did the other two just fine on my own. It did not occur to me that there were even quests like that. Strange? Maybe. I was watching Boardwalk Empire when I walked in.

At the least, I now know to look. So thanks. That being said, being a jackass isn't going to win you any points.

I could also argue "ample warning", but I'll leave that for another thread.

[Maxallu]

You people just don't get it, do you? This forum... I swear.

I'm done here. Have fun hashing it out among yourselves. Your opinions mean nothing to me anyway.

Now you have zero credibility. I can't believe a word you type, unless that is not you and we have some imposter! Mods! Someone has hijacked this poor man's account! He said he was not coming back and now someone is hacking him!

If that is you, why are you back?

[Madae]

stuff

Welcome to my ever growing ignore list. You sound like just the type of person I could go through my entire life never knowing and being better for it. Thank you for saving me the time of figuring that out on my own.

[arminius]

Gosh, the OP needs to just step away from the monitor and keyboard for a while. Sometimes people on the internet get their blood up and feel like they're backed into a corner and just start lashing out at everything and everybody, but don't realize how they're coming across. This looks like one of those times.

Just take a deep breath and walk away for a while. When you come back, the game and the forums will still be here.

[Maxallu]

Welcome to my ever growing ignore list. You sound like just the type of person I could go through my entire life never knowing and being better for it. Thank you for saving me the time of figuring that out on my own.

I don't understand, did you come to this conclusion by yourself, or did someone else point this out for you? Are you still being hacked?

Hey hacker! Stop making forum members sound like jerks!


By the way, about the ignore list. If you are on my server, and I ran with you, and you can't do POP after 7 years, You're already on mine.

[Madae]

Gosh, the OP needs to just step away from the monitor and keyboard for a while. Sometimes people on the internet get their blood up and feel like they're backed into a corner and just start lashing out at everything and everybody, but don't realize how they're coming across. This looks like one of those times.

Just take a deep breath and walk away for a while. When you come back, the game and the forums will still be here.

Ignoring your attitude for just a moment, I will admit I get offended rather easily, but that's only because I'm more intelligent than your average poster here, and watching the degradation of the human race - these people that lack any type of social skills that weren't otherwise learned through trolling people anonymously on the internet - just breaks my heart. Truly.

So, spare me. Your post is the kind of post that this thread could have easily done without. You're just acting like another one of those people that talk too **** much. I blame your parents.

Learn some restraint, and when to shut your mouth (or, in this case, stop slapping your limp wrists on your keyboard).

I may regret the "snarkiness", but I'm tired and bored of this.

[johnnyputrid]

Ignoring your attitude for just a moment, I will admit I get offended rather easily, but that's only because I'm more intelligent than your average poster here, and watching the degradation of the human race - these people that lack any type of social skills that weren't otherwise learned through trolling people anonymously on the internet - just breaks my heart. Truly.

So, spare me. Your post is the kind of post that this thread could have easily done without. You're just acting like another one of those people that talk too **** much. I blame your parents.

Learn some restraint, and when to shut your mouth (or, in this case, stop slapping your limp wrists on your keyboard).

I may regret the "snarkiness", but I'm tired and bored of this.

Wow. Seriously, you want a suggestion? Stop insulting everyone else and claiming you are more intelligent than they are. Take your own advice and learn some restraint and when to shut your own mouth.

[Charononus]

ibtl

[RedDragonScale]

So, thank you for your tips and tricks and all that, but there is a logic here that I think you're missing.

The logic YOU'RE missing is the Da'anvi Perfect Order room REQUIRING a Lawful person to talk to the dude in there.

This makes PERFECT sense.

Sorry you missed it.

[Qhualor]

OP provided good /popcorn tonight. thank you OP

[Enoach]

OP, I think the problem is that you have become irritated that no one seems to agree with your suggestion. I don't think anyone is arguing with you. What I see are people that are disagreeing with you. It appears more that you (as intelligent as you claim to be) have decided that you cannot learn from people you feel are not as intelligent as you are. I find that sad, because to me that is a sad state to be in.

My honest suggestion would be to step away and rest. Remove the emotional baggage you are carrying into each post and realize plain and simple that those that posted here are simply disagreeing with your suggestions and have gone further than just posting /Not Signed {your a noob}.

This is a case where wisdom is far more valuable than intelligence.

[donfilibuster]

Please stop arguing with me. This is a suggestion forum. This is my suggestion. Telling me how wrong I am is meaningless, because you do not decide whether a fix gets implemented. If you can't see the logic in this, than there is nothing I can do for you.

It is valid to want to learn the quests without help, but before calling a quest broken one should ask around to see if it is really undoable with basic means.
There's plenty of places where players miss levers or get stuck at puzzles or gates, and the quests are all doable.
There's no such thing as an impossible quest, only special conditions like "no reentry", "no soloing", and such.

Rooms that trap your character until death are common and is part of the design, bad design maybe, but intended.
If you don't have a way to come back from death or escape the quest is indeed failed and you have to restart.

It was quickly pointed out that the quest was not "impossible", obscure i'd agree, hard to figure indeed, but not undoable.
Furthermore the OP doesn't really give a suggestion, other than wanting a way out of the locked room.
As far as suggestions go that'd be a valid suggestion, yet *has* to be weighted against the common solutions.
After all, it is a suggestion forum, and part of it involves having ideas checked thoroughly, dissected, torn up, bashed.
Let alone wanting the internet to stay away in a corner, it's just silly, getting angry for it is even more.
It's fine to want to discuss the idea as it is presented but at the very least make it clear from the start.

This thread may go for future reference, for new players: whenever you get stuck in a quest it is a good habit to ask first and rant later.
Ask in chat, someone would know something about it, it'd save time and frowns.
If don't want spoilers then ask for hints, it's very likely are you'll be pointed out to what was missing.
(e.g. in Haywire and other quests that often spawn this kind of threads)

[dunklezhan]

I said it already; this is a suggestion forum, not an argue with the OP forum because you don't like the idea. You being here and arguing with me, while slightly entertaining (and tiring) means absolutely squat, because it's not you or your fellows that decide what gets changed and what doesn't, it's whether or not Turbine thinks the idea is relevant and worth looking at.

Yes, and Turbine use the debate (when there is one which doesn't devolve when someone takes the hump like this one has) as part of the assessment of whether or not to listen to the suggestion. If the responses are overwhelmingly negative, that will provide some weight to the idea that it wouldn't be a popular suggestion. Of course, that isn't exclusively what they look at because forums are notoriously negative. But it's part of it, nonetheless.

In this case I kind of agree with you - there is no way at all to know what will happen before you go into that cell. All the other cells involved combat, this one single cell has a talky-element to it and it's alignment based, which hasn't happened anywhere else in the game. So it's a bit of a dirty trick, yes.

However what do you propose? A lever on the inside of the cell? It's a PRISON! That wouldn't make any sense. A warning of what's about to happen? None of the other cells get that, so that wouldn't fit with the plot either.

A fix to hireling AI so when they run into a trap/damaging bit of scenery they don't just stand there? Now that's a suggestion I can get behind.

My counter suggestion here would be that if you're the wrong alignment the guy at least agrees to talk to you but only to let you back out - but this would have to be quite carefully approached, because at the end of the day he's a prisoner. If he could open the cell door... he wouldn't be a prisoner.

[btolson]

You should just be allowed to kill the Danvi guy for 0 xp if you are not lawful, so you can escape the cell and deal with the greater evil (Stormreaver/Truthful One, depending) if you have no other options. So what if he's not a "monster"... he's a necessary sacrifice in the name of the greater good... stop forcing us to roleplay a certain way!