Forum Reputation

[kierg10]

Forum rep is dumb.

As of this moment I am sitting at 1372, about 331 of which i got in about 2 days from posting a "clever" one liner reply to a thread.

I think for me forum rep is reason to laugh when you get a ton of rep for something stupid, or to see that people appreciate something you did (like write a guide or make an awesome post about forum rep )

Most of all, it lets me laugh at people who have super high greenies and think they are better than others because of that, as I will not be accused of being jealous by the pricks because my green bar ain't that big (where as it is pretty big right now surprisingly).....

Also I have never reported a neg rep, I just don't think it is worth it.

[Postumus]

Forum rep is the most important virtual measure on the forums. It defines you as a virtual person and validates your virtual credibility.

[Thrudh]

If Negative Rep is not supposed to be used just because you disagree with someone, please explain how giving negative rep for this post was justified and/or how this post violated forum rules:



Here is the full original thread:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=396389

You didn't deserve neg rep for that. Report your own post, say "I got negative rep I don't think I deserved... Please review".

And I'd bet money the neg rep will be removed.

[Thrudh]

I am often reviled because when people ask me what's my opinion, I usually give it to them.

And a forum like this is one continual, "what's your opinion," because that's what its function is.

And the one thing that I've learned about human nature is that, more often than not, when people ask for your opinion, they don't actually want it. They want to hear what it is they want to hear regardless of the truth. Plus people generally don't like to hear stuff that distupts their notion of reality. This is the reason why some people have rough lives.

You still have some lessons to learn on how to interact socially.

You can disagree with someone, and bring up different points of view to most people without being an ass about it. If you are reviled for giving your opinion, you're doing it wrong.

Instead of assuming all other humans are flawed, and there's nothing wrong with you, you might want to look at your delivery method, and tone it down a bit.

When I get canned from my job because people don't like what I say or what I think.

Yeah, you're probably doing it wrong. I guess you can just keep doing it your way, and keep losing jobs. Whatever floats your boat.

But it works for me....

Really? It's working for you?

[Thrudh]

Forum rep is the most important virtual measure on the forums. It defines you as a virtual person and validates your virtual credibility.

Heh. +1 to your virtual credibility!

[ferrite]

Although I find the system silly and usually turn it off, in the rare instance I do have it shown I occasionally review it to see if I ever got any negative rep. You can do the same. Otherwise, I prefer giving out positive rep when possible and have never given out neg rep, since I believe doing so is a form of intimidation and speech suppression. Everyone deserves to have their voice heard, unappealing as it might be.

As long as your post is not "disruptive, trolling, derogatory, inflammatory, or in violation of the guidelines" then it is not subject to negative reputation.

If you take issue with any neg rep you recieved, you can notify Turbine of abuse of the reputation system, from the report post icon. They will look at it and, if it does not meet the above criteria, remove the neg rep and ding the person who did it.

Here is the write-up.

[squishwizzy]

You still have some lessons to learn on how to interact socially.

You can disagree with someone, and bring up different points of view to most people without being an ass about it. If you are reviled for giving your opinion, you're doing it wrong.

No, actually I'm not. You ask an opinion, you'd better be ready to take the good and the bad.

First thing that any lawyer will tell you is don't ask questions that you don't already know the answer.

Instead of assuming all other humans are flawed, and there's nothing wrong with you, you might want to look at your delivery method, and tone it down a bit.

Nice.

Implying that I assume I'm not flawed so you can make the false argument that I'm the one being the a**.

Grow up sonny.

All humans are flawed. I have mine too. But your inability to handle reality isn't my problem. It's yours. Don't try to excuse away your deficiencies by making me the problem.

Yeah, you're probably doing it wrong. I guess you can just keep doing it your way, and keep losing jobs. Whatever floats your boat.

Really? It's working for you?

Actually, yeah.

The first thing you learn is most of the stuff I've posted here.

The second thing you learn is that you'll never change it.

The thrid thing you learn is that if you work for those types of people I've worked for in the past, you deserve the misery that comes from it. In fact, I've never been happier being far outside their influence.

People hire me for my skills (and they are, as I have been told, considerable), not for my witty conversation. Those skills also include an almost ruthless analysis of specific situations. In short, is something I've done is wrong, I don't spend three days deluding myself or trying to make square pegs fit into round holes. if it means scraping months of work, and going in a different direction, that's what I do.

And yeah, I'm not exactly hurting for work either...or money...

[Phidius]

I disagree, I find value in the Rep system.

When I get a green/red box, it means that I've touched someone's life in a meaningful way, and I get all warm and glow-y inside

[WestiesMA]

I have been playing this game since beta, and have been posting on the forums since just a few months after launch. I do not post a lot, but when I do post something it is generally relevant and well thought out. And yes, sometimes controversial or contrary to the opinion of many other people, but I thought that the purpose of the forums was to promote constructive discussion (which can lead to constructive tension), and the sharing of ideas and knowledge.

I do not believe that the Forum Reputation system supports the expression of varied opinions. People who post opinions contrary to the crowd get Negative Rep, which may make them afraid to post what they really think another time. The really frustrating thing is that if you don't get enough Positive Rep, or too much Negative Rep, then you can't give any Negative Rep to anyone that you disagree with. How is that fair?

OK so now feel free to Negative Rep me to death and nuke the few reputation points I have managed to get after years and hundreds of posts just because I want the Devs to spend time creating game content instead of dances, and I don't feel that guilds that did not get hit with the recent excessive guild decay should get free renown that they did not work for. What do you care, since I don't have enough Positive Rep to give anyone Negative Rep if you post something that I do not agree with?

OK I now have both Positive and Negative Rep for my post - is my original post Neg Reppable (is that a word?)? I agree my last paragraph is a little snarky, but does it violate forum rules?

Basically, I have no issue with Positive Rep - agree with whoever you want to and thank people for posting guides and builds! I thank those people with Rep and also with a post saying "thank you". I just have an issue with Negative Rep and the way that many people use it. I would prefer to see a way to report a troll or inappropriate post to a MOD (isn't that their job?) as opposed to allowing only certain people to arbitrarily pass out Negative Rep.

P.S. I have received a great deal of Rep, both Positive and Negative, for this thread. I appreciate the discussion and opinions of ALL who have posted here!

[Kalari]

thing is you can report offensive posts that little ! icon is for reporting posts. The few times I negged someone who deserved it in my opinion did nothing for me and like I said before you can even get in trouble if the person feels they were being targeted on purpose (Haxx4 anyone?)

Point blank the system is what we make of it, I opted out I still get both pos and neg rep because there is no way to really opt out I just choose not to let the length of my bars dictate how I approach the forums.

Once again turbine best psychological trick ever!

[Talon_Moonshadow]

You need to tell better jokes.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

But, more serious than that....

Yeah, it is pretty much a popularity contest.

However, I say plenty that goes against the staus quo and I get mostly positive rep from it.

...and... I even have reason to believe that most of my neg rep comes from the same people.

One bit of evidence for that is they changed the ability to give too much rep in a certain amount of time, and I saw a noticible drop in the amount of neg rep I have gotten since that change.


Now... it did help to get into the rep game early on.... before anyone could give neg rep. It allowed me to build up quite a cushion against any neg reppers, since I already had a ton of positive rep before mpst people had enough rep to neg rep me.


But... back to my joke earlier.
I have probably gotten at least close to the same amount of positive rep simply for writing funny or entertaining posts, as I have for writing informative posts.

I have been blessed with enough personal experience and information taught to me by others about game mechanics, that I have been able to write some really informative posts over the years. That had helped me gain a lot of rep too.




In the end... it really does not matter.
It really is mostly a popularity contest.

[PuppiesAndRainbows]

[Chilldude]

I do not believe that the Forum Reputation system supports the expression of varied opinions.

Being knee deep in a Battlestar marathon, I feel honor bound to first state, "Frackin' Cylons!"

Compared to frackin' cylons, what significance is forum reputation?

[Kmnh]

But, more serious than that....

Yeah, it is pretty much a popularity contest.

However, I say plenty that goes against the staus quo and I get mostly positive rep from it.

...and... I even have reason to believe that most of my neg rep comes from the same people.

One bit of evidence for that is they changed the ability to give too much rep in a certain amount of time, and I saw a noticible drop in the amount of neg rep I have gotten since that change.


Now... it did help to get into the rep game early on.... before anyone could give neg rep. It allowed me to build up quite a cushion against any neg reppers, since I already had a ton of positive rep before mpst people had enough rep to neg rep me.


But... back to my joke earlier.
I have probably gotten at least close to the same amount of positive rep simply for writing funny or entertaining posts, as I have for writing informative posts.

I have been blessed with enough personal experience and information taught to me by others about game mechanics, that I have been able to write some really informative posts over the years. That had helped me gain a lot of rep too.




In the end... it really does not matter.
It really is mostly a popularity contest.

It's not a popularity contest, it's more of a grinding game. There are relatively few people who can give negative rep. There are well known trolls with large greenises because they post a lot and the people being trolled can't really neg rep them.

The easiest way to gain +rep in this forum is to get into the troll clique and harass the right people in the right way.

[Chilldude]

The easiest way to gain +rep in this forum is to get into the troll clique and harass the right people in the right way.

I've found the easiest way to get positive forum rep is to speak your mind and not be a frackin' cylon.

[Kmnh]

I've found the easiest way to get positive forum rep is to speak your mind and not be a frackin' cylon.

Maybe you never harassed the right people

[Gremmlynn]

You could debate the line in the sand they drew for when a poster gets the neg rep privilege, but the need to have something in place is clear, otherwise all sorts of free accounts could be use to neg something all over the place and place a serious burden on the mods that is easily avoided. Those free accounts have nothing invested in this place and often would add little to the community. With the current set up, it takes a while or some very well received posts to get that privilege so those with the power are inclined generally to use it responsibly. I seem to recall a couple of posters, who had that ability, and then lost it after bouts of being petty and vindictive some years back.

Except that free accounts can't give out rep, neither positive nor negative. So each of those free accounts would have to buy the minimum TP package in order to do so. With enough vindictive folks willing to pay for the privilege to neg with throw away accounts, this could actually be quite the windfall for them.

[Gremmlynn]

OK I now have both Positive and Negative Rep for my post - is my original post Neg Reppable (is that a word?)? I agree my last paragraph is a little snarky, but does it violate forum rules?

Basically, I have no issue with Positive Rep - agree with whoever you want to and thank people for posting guides and builds! I thank those people with Rep and also with a post saying "thank you". I just have an issue with Negative Rep and the way that many people use it. I would prefer to see a way to report a troll or inappropriate post to a MOD (isn't that their job?) as opposed to allowing only certain people to arbitrarily pass out Negative Rep.

P.S. I have received a great deal of Rep, both Positive and Negative, for this thread. I appreciate the discussion and opinions of ALL who have posted here!

Personally, when get both positive and negative rep for the same post, I feel it indicates I was successful in making a meaningful contribution to the discussion.

Though that could simply be a deep seeded need for attention exerting itself, but whatever it is it makes me feel a sense of satisfaction.

[kierg10]

Maybe you never harassed the right people

well he did harrass a lot of byoh folks