Forum Reputation

[eonfreon]

Nah, didnt get any negrep for that. well actually i did, but of a kind that is perfectly valid in my book. Youre more likely to get pos rep than negrep for this pots i think, since my basic stance is not one that is popular. Namely: its a game, play and have fun.

Nah, that part's fine. I think the part where you basically categorize anyone that complains too loudly or too negatively as a whiner that annoys you, is probably where you start to get less popular.

It's one thing to say that you're fine with how things are. The Devs should hear from those who are not annoyed overly by the bugs and weird mistakes that sometimes occur. They need positive reinforcement too, they're only human after all. But if you feel the need to tell people to "shut up" basically, because their overly negative complaints "annoy" you, I'm sure some people just feel like telling you to "shut up" in turn. And the rep system is a passive-aggressive way of doing so without getting into a heated debate.

Personally, I prefer heated debates. But I can see why others would just hit neg. I'm sure I'm guilty of it too, when I feel someone is being insulting. Sometimes I actually regret it when my anger gets the best of me. I wish there was a "retraction" button, so that someone could take it back once they calm down a bit and realize that it wasn't really as insulting as it first sounded. I guess a person could report their own neg repping and ask the Devs to take it away from the person they gave it to?

The worst thing is when I've accidentally negged someone I actually wanted to pos rep. I've always sent them a PM apologizing and so far everyone's just laughed it off. Which is easy to do since the rep system is really meaningless. I'm not even sure if too much negrep will put someone in moderation like it was initially supposed to. So it's just a gauge I guess of if people disagree and to what degree they do.

[bartharok]

Nah, that part's fine. I think the part where you basically categorize anyone that complains too loudly or too negatively as a whiner that annoys you, is probably where you start to get less popular.

It's one thing to say that you're fine with how things are. The Devs should hear from those who are not annoyed overly by the bugs and weird mistakes that sometimes occur. They need positive reinforcement too, they're only human after all. But if you feel the need to tell people to "shut up" basically, because their overly negative complaints "annoy" you, I'm sure some people just feel like telling you to "shut up" in turn. And the rep system is a passive-aggressive way of doing so without getting into a heated debate.

Personally, I prefer heated debates. But I can see why others would just hit neg. I'm sure I'm guilty of it too, when I feel someone is being insulting. Sometimes I actually regret it when my anger gets the best of me. I wish there was a "retraction" button, so that someone could take it back once they calm down a bit and realize that it wasn't really as insulting as it first sounded. I guess a person could report their own neg repping and ask the Devs to take it away from the person they gave it to?

The worst thing is when I've accidentally negged someone I actually wanted to pos rep. I've always sent them a PM apologizing and so far everyone's just laughed it off. Which is easy to do since the rep system is really meaningless. I'm not even sure if too much negrep will put someone in moderation like it was initially supposed to. So it's just a gauge I guess of if people disagree and to what degree they do.

Fortunately im not out to get popular. And i will continue to comment everything, im famous for never shutting up.

[eonfreon]

Fortunately im not out to get popular. And i will continue to comment everything, im famous for never shutting up.

Well then take your lumps and don't whine about it then . j/k

[WestiesMA]

Give us some links to posts of yours that got a lot of neg rep, so we can see if you are being unfairly prosecuted

If Negative Rep is not supposed to be used just because you disagree with someone, please explain how giving negative rep for this post was justified and/or how this post violated forum rules:

/Not Signed

Devs, please do NOT spend time on dances! Please spend time on new content and fixing bugs that have been around for six years! Or fixing lag!

Sorry to those who want to dance!

Here is the full original thread:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=396389

[bartharok]

Well then take your lumps and don't whine about it then . j/k

Can i get domething to go with the lumps? and is it white or red whine, that makes a bit of a difference, you know.

[FengXian]

I have been playing this game since beta, and have been posting on the forums since just a few months after launch. I do not post a lot, but when I do post something it is generally relevant and well thought out. And yes, sometimes controversial or contrary to the opinion of many other people, but I thought that the purpose of the forums was to promote constructive discussion (which can lead to constructive tension), and the sharing of ideas and knowledge.

I do not believe that the Forum Reputation system supports the expression of varied opinions. People who post opinions contrary to the crowd get Negative Rep, which may make them afraid to post what they really think another time. The really frustrating thing is that if you don't get enough Positive Rep, or too much Negative Rep, then you can't give any Negative Rep to anyone that you disagree with. How is that fair?

OK so now feel free to Negative Rep me to death and nuke the few reputation points I have managed to get after years and hundreds of posts just because I want the Devs to spend time creating game content instead of dances, and I don't feel that guilds that did not get hit with the recent excessive guild decay should get free renown that they did not work for. What do you care, since I don't have enough Positive Rep to give anyone Negative Rep if you post something that I do not agree with?

My personal experience - dunno if it can be of any help: I happen to debate stuff a lot. This is probably wrong, post count just goes up if you keep replying to people you strongly disagree with, but no real benefit. Neg rep is not really an issue since as long as you don't break the rules you can have it removed.

But yes, 1.5k+ pos rep guys who neg rep you just because you disagree (fact, since that neg rep is removed afterwards if you report it) make you wonder how did they get to 1.5k+ in the first place.

I guess for pos rep you should make funny posts or make nice (and possibly colorful) builds and such, which is ok. I don't really care about rep that much anymore at this point, it's not necessarily proportional to how good or bad a poster is.

I don't think it should influence your judgement at all. For example I happened to agree lately with a user that has a lot of pos rep but I usually strongly disagree with. Judgement should be based on the current situation, more than on the reputation.

[Gremmlynn]

Every time I've contested bad rep it's been overturned...

For clarity's sake I have to admit that I've not reported all negrep I've gotten. I review my post first to see what the objection is. If I can see why it was negged I let it slide and learn from the experience.

Personally, I have never cared enough about it to waste either my, or a mods time over it. That said, the one post I found annoying enough to neg, I did take the time to quote and explain how neg rep can be disputed (anonymity is for the weak, though from what I gather it is against forum rules to openly say you negged someone).

[Peter_Stauffenberg]

You can report your own posts if you believe that they got undeserved neg rep. A moderator will analyse it and clean it up for you. It has worked for me before.

How do you know if you get negative reputation unless your level drops so you can see it?

[PuppiesAndRainbows]

I had -400 rep from my old forum name

[bartharok]

How do you know if you get negative reputation unless your level drops so you can see it?

click on the "user CP" under the word community at the top of the page.

[Silverwren]

Personally, I think the Rep system has done a fair amount for the forums. Its primary purpose, at this point, is as a tool to let people know when they are, in the eyes of the community, being a poor community member.

If this were true we could all hand out neg rep, but it is only those who have enough positive rep that can hand out neg rep. Therefore it's not a very good tool, since only a select few can actually use it. The word "community" in your statement really needs to be changed to "minority".

I have been posting in these forums for years and still cannot hand out neg rep.

[Zenako]

If this were true we could all hand out neg rep, but it is only those who have enough positive rep that can hand out neg rep. Therefore it's not a very good tool, since only a select few can actually use it. The word "community" in your statement really needs to be changed to "minority".

I have been posting in these forums for years and still cannot hand out neg rep.

You could debate the line in the sand they drew for when a poster gets the neg rep privilege, but the need to have something in place is clear, otherwise all sorts of free accounts could be use to neg something all over the place and place a serious burden on the mods that is easily avoided. Those free accounts have nothing invested in this place and often would add little to the community. With the current set up, it takes a while or some very well received posts to get that privilege so those with the power are inclined generally to use it responsibly. I seem to recall a couple of posters, who had that ability, and then lost it after bouts of being petty and vindictive some years back.

[Kalari]

Every time this topic comes up I say the same thing. Rep has never mattered save the fact that it was the best psychological tool this company ever instigated.

Think about it even before this system was introduced with moderation these boards were hardly ever wild and out of control.

Then came all the new stuff, more people of course griping about that stuff and bam forum rep system comes.

Now almost half the complaints are rep related. Someone negged me for this? Or rep farming which they say is against the rules but you still see them crop up.

In fact many new posters to the boards end up asking "how do you check your rep" its become as common as asking any other new player questions. Well plaid turbine for real on this.

I will say this I have a high rep been had it still post the way I feel gets my point across. I choose not to display my rep since I feel the system is just a popularity contest. Thing is many people assume all the ones hiding it are in the negs, trust me if I was id probably not be posting here no more.

The only thing ive learned about this system is that it never matters even if you get enough to neg rep people you dont get a giddy feeling from doing it (well maybe some might but that's something for a psychiatrist to handle). Its just not a big deal at all.

[Nitesco]

Rep has never mattered save the fact that it was the best psychological tool this company ever instigated.

It does when used to bomb the author of an unpopular opinion into forced moderation. The only way a system like this was EVER going to be used on a public forum, was as a harassment tool.

[Kalari]

It does when used to bomb the author of an unpopular opinion into forced moderation. The only way a system like this was EVER going to be used on a public forum, was as a harassment tool.

thing is if you are unfairly negged you can report it, they will never just assume unless there is proof that the person negged is automatically a troll. Thats why they kept in the report post.

For me if someone is doing something so offensive I prefer to report their posts then neg rep them. Especially after an incident where I negged someone I felt was spamming the forums and got into trouble for it. So trust me neg repping willy nilly has consequences more for the people doing it if the person reports their rep is erroneous.

If you have neg rep for a post that does not qualify report it to the mods they really do look into those things and more times then not take the neg rep away.

[Nitesco]

thing is if you are unfairly negged you can report it, they will never just assume unless there is proof that the person negged is automatically a troll. Thats why they kept in the report post.

For me if someone is doing something so offensive I prefer to report their posts then neg rep them. Especially after an incident where I negged someone I felt was spamming the forums and got into trouble for it. So trust me neg repping willy nilly has consequences more for the people doing it if the person reports their rep is erroneous.

If you have neg rep for a post that does not qualify report it to the mods they really do look into those things and more times then not take the neg rep away.

Who can be bothered administering that? They remove all neg rep, infract your for something silly and it's back to square one. Just remove it altogether and save us all a lot of time and energy.

[geoffhanna]

• I give out +1's whenever I remember, which is a lot, I want to encourage people who add value
• I gave out -1 twice (I think?) and immediately regretted it each time
• I get -1's for the wrong reasons all the time but I've never reported them

Really who cares?



Maybe I am insufficiently controversial.

[RedDragonScale]

...not ANOTHER forum rep thread.

[cdbd3rd]

... The guy that has some sarcastic one-liner and winky face emote for every reply?
....

Me me me!!!





(I had to...)

[squishwizzy]

I have been playing this game since beta, and have been posting on the forums since just a few months after launch. I do not post a lot, but when I do post something it is generally relevant and well thought out. And yes, sometimes controversial or contrary to the opinion of many other people, but I thought that the purpose of the forums was to promote constructive discussion (which can lead to constructive tension), and the sharing of ideas and knowledge.

I do not believe that the Forum Reputation system supports the expression of varied opinions. People who post opinions contrary to the crowd get Negative Rep, which may make them afraid to post what they really think another time. The really frustrating thing is that if you don't get enough Positive Rep, or too much Negative Rep, then you can't give any Negative Rep to anyone that you disagree with. How is that fair?

OK so now feel free to Negative Rep me to death and nuke the few reputation points I have managed to get after years and hundreds of posts just because I want the Devs to spend time creating game content instead of dances, and I don't feel that guilds that did not get hit with the recent excessive guild decay should get free renown that they did not work for. What do you care, since I don't have enough Positive Rep to give anyone Negative Rep if you post something that I do not agree with?

I am often reviled because when people ask me what's my opinion, I usually give it to them.

And a forum like this is one continual, "what's your opinion," because that's what its function is.

And the one thing that I've learned about human nature is that, more often than not, when people ask for your opinion, they don't actually want it. They want to hear what it is they want to hear regardless of the truth. Plus people generally don't like to hear stuff that distupts their notion of reality. This is the reason why some people have rough lives.

Given the problems of the world today, and the bovine-like herd mentality that dominates the collective thought of many (in its various forms), forum reputation is probably one of the last things I worry about. I care far more when I get canned from my job because people don't like what I say or what I think. I could care less if I got booted from this forum because I bruised the fragile ego of some hothouse flower gamer.

I'm a big believer in having a place to express an opinion, virtually any opinions. Anything claiming to be open and free should be open and free for the exchange of information. Some of it you may like what you see, and some not. However, this also comes with the wisdom and knowledge that there are very few right answers for something, and a staggering number of permutations of wrong.

And very few want to be looked at as being "wrong."

So whether they click a little button, or hold a grudge (they usually do both), it doesn't make much of a difference. I've learned to ignore both.




But it works for me...