Pug groups, they always amaze me in some way!

[ChadB123]

If there was a caster in that raid who didn't have that item, I would pass it to one of them even if they all rolled 1's and the fighter a 100. I don't care if loot rules weren't given.

[Gkar]

The OP is a completionist XD

Yeah, I noticed that sig after... that makes his comments even more bizzare.

[Gkar]

guess courtesy is lost nowadays and surprised how few people care about it anymore.

Its fairly easy to argue that you are the one that showed a lack of courtesy, so I guess you are correct, its often lost nowadays.

[fork_aka_spoon]

Its fairly easy to argue that you are the one that showed a lack of courtesy, so I guess you are correct, its often lost nowadays.

How so? I was on my barb and didn't roll on the blue bar item, nor did I include the persons name in my post, and actually doing a favor for those who choose to not run with loot wh0res. Even if I was planning to go completionist on my barb I still wouldn't have rolled on the vile because I believe items should go to people who have use for them at the time, but that's just me. I have courtesy when loot is concerned.

Edit: And I gave the guy my toons names who wants to avoid me, I think I was very curt.

If there was a caster in that raid who didn't have that item, I would pass it to one of them even if they all rolled 1's and the fighter a 100. I don't care if loot rules weren't given.

Glad someone sees it how I do. But apparently people should just roll on everything they want and not what they need. I guess I need to join pug tods and see how many encrusted/kyoshos go to blue bars, and the opposite for blue bar rings.

[xSeverinax]

If there was a caster in that raid who didn't have that item, I would pass it to one of them even if they all rolled 1's and the fighter a 100. I don't care if loot rules weren't given.

Now I would not have a problem with that at all if it dropped in your name and you told the party that you were going to pass it as it is yours to do with as you see fit. What bugs me is when items are just put up for general roll and then not given because the person changed their mind / didn't like the winner or what ever, as that is just bad manners. If it is your loot take it, pass it, put it up for roll with what ever distinctions you want, but be decent and stick to it afterwards or bad feeling will erupt and silly things will happen like in this cse with the litany being left unlooted.

[fork_aka_spoon]

meh gotten about 15 tells/pms about people wanting his name to avoid him, seems about 50/50 so far with people agreeing this was wrong, and people thinking items should go to who wants them and not who needs them.

[Jasparion]

meh gotten about 15 tells/pms about people wanting his name to avoid him, seems about 50/50 so far with people agreeing this was wrong, and people thinking items should go to who wants them and not who needs them.

Or maybe they are just curious types and dont really care either way. I know if I won a roll and then was told after the fact "sorry, bad luck Ive decided you cant have it" then I would not put what I got up for a roll. Or at a minimum exclude anyone who was okay with what just happened.

It is just bad form to take something back after offering it.

If I was told before hand not to bother rolling, I would not be fussed. Because its your loot.

As a completionist, surely you've run enough things to know that rules should be stated before, not after the rolls?

[fork_aka_spoon]

Or maybe they are just curious types and dont really care either way. I know if I won a roll and then was told after the fact "sorry, bad luck Ive decided you cant have it" then I would not put what I got up for a roll. Or at a minimum exclude anyone who was okay with what just happened.

It is just bad form to take something back after offering it.

If I was told before hand not to bother rolling, I would not be fussed. Because its your loot.

As a completionist, surely you've run enough things to know that rules should be stated before, not after the rolls?

No because it's always been common sense and courtesy to let blue bars roll on the caster items and to let the non blue bars roll on the non blue bar items, apparently this is now a myth.

[Milikki]

I don't know how exactly to fall into this one. It sounds to me like you got butthurt cause someone you didnt think was worthy wanted an item, and then broke the rules set up (roll for it) by not giving them the item they won.. and THEN got mad because they did what they wanted with something that dropped in their name. To top all this off, you came over here to whine to the forums, griefing the player, and hoping someone would pat you on the head and tell you everything is ok.

There are times when someone says "I want this for my TR" and its true. There are times when someone rolls when the post is "xxx item, roll d100" with no restrictions and they feel it would be to their benefit. It sounds like YOU (the person with the item) broke the rule by not passing it to the high roller that won by the rules set up.

Meh, your loot is your loot, do what you will. I got grief when my FvS pulled a pair of madstone boots (that dropped in my name) that she is now wearing as a barbarian, but hey, she didnt actually need those did she...

[tomatt72]

I just love these posts where some d-bag admits that he screwed over someone then start crying about how the guy he screwed over wouldn't give him a different rare item. Serves you right, it's you that should be added to the squelch list not the guy you screwed over

[fork_aka_spoon]

Actually I read quite well and it sure sounds like you came over here to stir up the pot and grief the player you didnt think deserved the item.

yes this is what I did. Allows people who want to avoid him to avoid him.

Anyways, keep the flame coming, brb changing my diaper and getting some kleenix so I can whine some more.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Once upon a time, I had this gimpy paladin, who I still got to level 20, as my first character. When u14 came out, with the free lessers, I used it asap, but I was still somewhat gimpy (still 28 point build, bad gear, etc.). Not nearly as bad as before, but I also realized that during the time before u14, when this character was collecting dust, I had started to dislike playing melees because they seem to lose health so much faster.

I wanted to try out a favored soul arcane archer, because I felt like it. I also knew I would need a lot of build points if I wanted dex, str, wis, con and a small amount of cha, and I figured I could put that paladin to use by creating a 34 point build out of it.

I'm just one of those people who likes to feel like I'm at my best at every level, and I decided to get the bow and quiver from abbot before TR'ing.

Now I have that archer leveled up and stuff, who I find quite fun to play, and I'll be on that life for a good while.

If people are rolling on loot saying it's for a TR, and you don't believe them, where do you think it's going? As vendor trash? Or the person just wants to keep it from one of the other rollers out of spite? It's not like, as that first life 28-point paladin people saw wanting loot "for next life," that I wanted everything just in case I sometime needed it. Just the quiver, bow, and I would take Vile Blasphemies if I came across them but I wouldn't expect to have them.

Also, a "melee" rolling on it may have been a paladin or ranger, I'm not sure. But they both are a lot squishier if they don't have the spell points to throw powerful quickened cures on themselves.

[Enoach]

fork,

Where I disagree with your position is the fact that rules were not specified before the roll. If there is one thing we as a community should hold to is our maturity to resolve issues like this. By changing the rules after the roll and it was obvious that this person had won - As it really does not matter if they can actually use it now or not as there were no restrictions.

Next I would like to point out that vile blasphemy, does have features that a melee character without spell points could put to use:

1) Dex +6
2) +3 UMD
3) Greater Dispel Guard (upgraded)

Mind you they do have other options available that could cover 2 of the 3

Where I agree with you is on the courtesy side one should not roll against someone that can obviously use all of its features now.

So basically the whole vile blasphemy looting was a cluster @$%$ on both sides. And it appears that possibly neither side will come to own up to the mistakes made and hold to that they are both right in their position when in reality they are both just as wrong.

Happy hunting

[jillie]

Actually I read quite well and it sure sounds like you came over here to stir up the pot and grief the player you didnt think deserved the item. Not all people who take items you dont agree with are loot *****s, but there seems to be a lot of loot nazis in this game.

There are. And they provide a lot of lovely drama to read while I eat my

[Atremus]

Lame tears thread.

[Milikki]

Enoach said it better than I did. The reason I'm divided on this is because, from the OP, it sounds like the rules were changed in mid-roll. If the initial roll was 'xxx item, roll d100' then whomever gets the highest roll gets the item, regardless of class or perceived need. If the initial was 'xxx item, roll d100, bluebars only', then it should have been given to the highest rolling bluebar. To change the rule in midstream because the winner was perceived to be unworthy was a total dirtbag move.

On the other side, it could be that the person who was d-bagged got butthurt and decided 'fine, then no one gets my xxx'. And you know what, while it may have been poorly done on his part, leaving the item to rot is also part of 'your loot is your loot'. So here is the dilemma, if we are going to go by rules that have been warmed over too many times in the forums, are we going to follow the same set all the way through, or are we going to complain when it doesnt go the way we feel it should. If it all comes back to your loot is your loot. The person with the caster item was entitled to pass it to whomever they wanted, at the risk of ****ing people off, and the person with the other item was entitled to pass it to no one, at the risk of ****ing people off.

The only thing about this that really bothers me is that you were butthurt enough about this to run crying to mommy about how bad this person was and to tell everyone that they were mean and you shouldnt play with them. Really, I saw enough of this from my kids when they were 6. Stand up, brush yourself off, wipe the tears from your eyes and go organize another raid, this is only numbers on a server after all.

[Therigar]

You know, it wasn't me and I haven't run this particular raid in well over 2 years. I don't think the loot is particularly the best there is any more so it is sort of like getting upset over not a lot of anything important IMO.

But, people have the right to their point of view. And, just because that POV doesn't agree with ours it doesn't make them right/wrong/good/evil/whatever.

I'll almost never roll for loot because I almost never need or want it. But, if some super item dropped and it went for roll w/o some clear guidance AND if I were looking to do a next life or a final life on a character that might benefit from it AND if the party chat just said "Super Loot for roll" -- if all those applied, I'd roll.

And, if I won and didn't get the item I'd be upset. Not rage quit upset, but upset.

People tend to take things pretty literally. So if something is put up for roll without caveats, they feel they are entitled to roll and entitled to win.

Lesson there is to be explicit when typing into chat. "Super Loot for roll by arcanes only -- roll a d72, arcane with roll closest to 53 w/o going over wins."

Because, as much as we might want to say, "People should know," the fact of the matter is that people don't know. So, yes, bad on whathisface for rage quitting. But bad on the player who put the item up for roll w/o clear guidelines.

Naturally, these things never happen in guild runs -- only in PuGs. That should be a hint right there.

[Meficio]

I think the Vile Blasphemy is a powerful item that has 2 major attributes that makes it desirable.

1. The spell point clicky.
2. The +3 umd

For my part its one of my favorite Tr item from level 13 to 25.
Actually, its one of the most important item you can use on a melee/self healing toon combined with a gs cha skills item. You have almost no fail heal scrolls very soon in your leveling run. Displacement, GH, teleport scrolls... I'm not using the golden cartouche as I reserve the necklace slot for noxious embers, torc, silver flame talisment etc. However at those levels I mostly alternate from brawling gloves/caster gloves and vile. At times I use spectrals or gloves of gnoll hide if I do traps. I really like the Titan raid but I much prefer running abbot and I consider the Vile to be a great replacement for seven fingered gloves I'll probably never get.

To me, even though its common sense to consider the Vile a caster item first, its a good piece of gear for all umd using classes, moreover it has dex+6 and I haven't tested the greater dispelling guard yet.
Overall its a great item for all who are interested in it.

However what I think is that its sad to let a litany rot in a chest and make 11 other people pay for that needless rage against 1 person for a Vile, that even as cool as a Vile is, its not a litany. Just thinking its wrong to do what that person did.

[Therigar]

I think the Vile Blasphemy is a very powerful item

Like I said, everyone has their own POV. Regardless of how the items themselves are viewed, the question is really one of group dynamics.

In a PuG you cannot expect everyone to adhere to unspoken loot rules. Well, you can expect that, but you will be disappointed.

This is why party chat has to be explicit about who gets to roll and how the roll will be done.

I've been in groups where someone asks, "Is X up for roll?"

Before there's even a reply you'll have 6 people rolling a d100 for top roll and people moaning about losing or congratulating someone on their win.

Hilarious when the person with the loot finally replies, "No," and then loots the item.

PuGs are just crazy like that. If you don't expect it and aggressively do something about it then you're always going to be posting stuff about the stupid things PuGs do.

[Deathdefy]

I have no problem with people rolling for gear for a TR.

I also, though, have no problem with people changing the rules after a roll. Just because you called for a roll doesn't mean you lose 'my loot is my loot' privileges.

For funzies, here are some reasons why I might change my mind after calling for a roll:
1 - I decided I want to loot it after all
2 - I decided my friend could use it after all
3 - Someone offered me 5000TP for it after not winning the roll
4 - The roll winner did not contribute throughout the raid. (I see 0 point in telling them that's why they're disqualified from rolling before hand since they're still going to be mighty PO'd. Better to just hope they don't win and deal with the being skipped rage if they do).
5 - I strongly suspect this person won't use the item. On asking, they either admit such, or are a massive jerk about the polite inquiry.
6 - The roll winner was unnecessarily offensive to me or someone else in the raid.
+ many, many others, including "I'd prefer to give it to someone who can use it now, not at some TR in the indefinite future" (though that's not a problem for me as an individual, others evidently do have that reservation)

Just don't count your chickens before they hatch. While loot is in someone's else name - it's in someone else's name.

Incidentally, I've only ever done reason 4/ reason 5 combo once. But I certainly have 0 regrets about it.

I do feel that leaving any named loot in a chest that someone else could use is a bit slack... my loot is my loot though, so I'd get over it, but it's not particularly cool.

TL;DR. Wouldn't blacklist OP or Litany leaver, would be a bit miffed momentarily at Litany guy but would certainly get over it.