Pug groups, they always amaze me in some way!

[fork_aka_spoon]

Just a usual raiding with the Obsidian Marquis lfm for abbot, all goes smooth as usual, then we come to the loot which was fantastic! Quiver, litany, a seal, and a vile blasphemy which was put for roll by my guildy. 4 casters and a melee (first life at that) rolled on it. The melee won claiming he needs for "tr" which always is untrue. Anyways, the vile went to the high caster roll, then the same melee had the litany sitting in his name and instead of rolling it off he instead whined over voice about not getting vile, recalled out and dropped group leaving litany to rot in the chest.

I'm not posting this because I'm displeased, just have 0 respect for people who roll on things they don't need or "ITS FOR TR."

Meow. Also awesome loot, only had 9 people in group!

[Jasparion]

Was he only told after he won the roll that he couldnt have it? If yes, fair enough for him to get angry. Sure, its up to whoever gets the loot as to what they do with it, but the same can be said about his loot.

If he was told up-front that he couldnt roll and he rolled anyway, then he clearly had a hissy fit.

BTW: why is someone wanting it for a TR any better or worse than someone wanting it for a current life? Again, you can make whatever rules you want, and plenty of people will say that only current casters can roll. That is their choice. Was this mentioned before the roll was made?

I was in a HoX raid the other day and after half an hour of organising, getting to the raid, recalling to pick up late comers, going back to clear respawned Beholders, the raid finally begins and as soon as we start the raid leader decides to kill all the hounds.

Sometimes people do things which boggle the mind.

[jillie]

lootrage

/popcorn

it's been a while since we've seen a lootrage post, hasn't it? Like at least a week?

I figure any rules set by the person the loot drops to are acceptable; it's his. If she chooses to agree to a more general set of rules, perhaps one that their guild has agreed to, that's cool - it's still that person's privilege. Does that mean that there are groups I prefer not to run with? Well, yes. But that's *my* choice. If I do run with them, then I know what to accept, and I handle my loot accordingly.

[Meetch1972]

On G-Land mere hours ago I joined a PUG for Von5 elite BB. The LFM had no mention of zerging, BYOH or any other TLAs or ETLAs that make people baulk. My usual time online is generally offpeak, and having cleaned up the rest of the BB options up to L10 I was keen to get it sorted. I was the first to join and the leader's first words to anyone were something along the lines of "I can put a group together but don't know the quest well enough to lead. Can you?" Eventually, someone did. It also took a bit longer to form than I would have preferred (my ship buffs were due to run out at about the time I needed to get off and ready for work), and it was shortmanned (11 players) once we got a cleric, but the whole thing was ... efficient. The only deaths were due to lag or expected due to not having evasion and having to navigate through the trap to get to the box. No biggie.

But unfortunately, one of the casters DC'ed and when he came back and started running toward the end someone triggered the end fight, shutting him out. (I had a pet who was about to expire in there, but was right by the door and he wasn't moving til after someone else did, however I still felt a bit guilty that he hadn't gone yet...) So after getting the XP the caster quietly stepped out.

Not a major issue for this caster, except that since we did well enough in 5, the remaining 10 members of the PUG stepped into 6 on elite, worked as a team (with a few false starts on some bases going down), and cleaned Velah up inside 10 minutes. And then the cleric had the audacity to pull a Sword of Shadow and put it up for roll! The nerve of him to not hog said sword for himself, even though he's already got 3 others!! (ok ok I have no idea how many he's actually got). That's the first one I ever saw sitting in the chest, glinting in the starlight... Anyway, I thought to myself "Gee wouldn't it be nice if..." and won the roll. My eternal thanks to that individual for being so selfless. If you know who you are, don't be afraid to PM me. I might have a spare scale or two on a toon somewhere if yer interested.

Sometimes PUGs provide particularly pleasant surprises. The whole experience left me nothing short of warm and fuzzy. If you were there, thanks again for the awesome run.

Edit: Perhaps the message here is joooiiiiinnnnnn uuuuusssssss on G-Land.

[fork_aka_spoon]

BTW: why is someone wanting it for a TR any better or worse than someone wanting it for a current life?

idk if this is serious question or not.

anyways, a melee throwing a hissy fit and leaving a litany in the chest over not having a caster item passed to him is hardly justified, thats pretty much all i was pointing out in this thread but somehow it got missed. i guess i will start rolling for kyoshos and encrusted on my cleric because im going to tr.

[darthhento]

Hey fork, shoot me a pm with the name of this amazing individua so I can keep him outa my Abbots. Kthxbye.

[Jasparion]

idk if this is serious question or not.

Of course it is. Unless you said before hand that only casters can roll then he has a right to be angry.

Him leaving an item in the chest is no different to you not giving him the item he won with a roll.

[Cyiwin]

Yay more TR hate

[Narfle_the_Garthok]

It's not tr hate. It's new-player-with-no-concise-plans-too-tr-but-that-just-want-too-hog-good-items-because-of greed-hate.
Passing it for a tr, that actually has some lives under his belt, or has otherwise proven too know his stuff is fine. But too oft it's an excuse.

[FestusHood]

I just don't get it. So the melee runs the raid, but isn't allowed to roll on other loot, and must put his own loot up for a roll? People who only play one or a few characters can run through tr lives so fast that i really don't see anything wrong with wanting something for that purpose. After just screwing him over on loot he won with a roll, i'm not surprised at all that he did that.

[Gkar]

idk if this is serious question or not.

anyways, a melee throwing a hissy fit and leaving a litany in the chest over not having a caster item passed to him is hardly justified, thats pretty much all i was pointing out in this thread but somehow it got missed. i guess i will start rolling for kyoshos and encrusted on my cleric because im going to tr.

Sounds like loot rules were not explained until after the rolls, which means he is justified in being upset.

Just as you can do what you want, he can do what he wants with his loot.

As for TR being a BS reason to get an item, I have to think you are inexperienced and have never TRed. What if he had 6 caster lives ahead of him and his final build was going to be a caster completionist? Sometimes a TR is more justified in taking an item than someone who just happens to be on a caster life this time but in a few levels with TR into something else and never be a caster again. That's a very 2009 attidude you have.

[Narfle_the_Garthok]

Anyone who is experienced enough to plan tr lives should be experienced enough to be familiar with standard loot etiquette and it's reasons.

This sounds like a gimpy new player that did not bother to do his research, and in reaction too being told he's gimpy hoards **** he doesn't need because others seem to value it highly.
I am personally just glad that Nwn is coming out.
Could be wrong though.

[patang01]

Just a usual raiding with the Obsidian Marquis lfm for abbot, all goes smooth as usual, then we come to the loot which was fantastic! Quiver, litany, a seal, and a vile blasphemy which was put for roll by my guildy. 4 casters and a melee (first life at that) rolled on it. The melee won claiming he needs for "tr" which always is a load of sh*t. Anyways, the vile went to the high caster roll, then the same melee had the litany sitting in his name and instead of rolling it off he instead whined over voice about not getting vile, recalled out and dropped group leaving litany to rot in the chest. I'm not going to mention the name, but if you'd like to know it you can so you can avoid them too feel free to send me a tell!

I'm not posting this because I'm displeased, just have 0 respect for people who roll on things they don't need or "ITS FOR TR."

Meow. Also awesome loot, only had 9 people in group!

While I find it a little juvenile to have lootrage and leave good loot unrolled or at least pick up yourself (for that future TR) I can understand the persons frustration if it was not decided up front that only casters could roll. It's your loot. You decide, but it feels wrong to me to arbitrarily shut out someone after the fact. I know why you did it, but next time stipulate your rules first. Most of what we do in DDO is a spit and a handshake. There are not set in stone rules. I've suffered people ninja things like eardweller while the rest of us figured out how to roll for it and then drop. I wish I remember that person because I would never in a million years run with that guy again.

But I think the fighters reaction was due to the lack of foresight. So many things can be avoided with a clear understanding how anyone see their loot. And I personally wouldn't be upset if the rules were upfront. And even so I would most likely leave my item up for roll instead of clutter my bank with stuff I might once in a blue moon use.

[maximadan]

I have to disagree with you Fork

Usually Marquis runs don't limit people to roll on any loot , why start now?

The guy was incorrect leaving Litany , but he should get blasphemy if he won the roll on it.

Last week i joined elite ToD run organized by Matrix with my monk , and at the end there was a ravager ring for roll. Barbarian from that guild (who organized the raid itself) really needed that ring but i won the roll and was passed the ring. He was second highest roller. Luckily i checked that it wouldn't realy benefit my build and i passed it to him before we looted and recalled.

I also got PMs from a member of the guild asking if i was forced to give it up. That was very nice of him but nobody asked me to give it, that was my decision.

[zwiebelring]

just have 0 respect for people who roll on things they don't need or "ITS FOR TR."

Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses

[Varashad]

Sorry Fork, I love ya, but it sounds like you did goof with this. If you'd said "Casters only" then I'd agree with you that this kid was being a prima dona. But you didn't. Sorry to see a Litany rotting in a chest. What a waste...

[xSeverinax]

Just so I understand this correctly, a vile blasphemy was put up for roll with no restrictions, then after seeing who won the roll you changed the rules and put restrictions on who could roll?

Sure he may have been a first life melee, but he clearly stated he was going to TR and use it.

After treating the person like that you must have huge cahones to come here and brag about how you screwed him over and then blubber like a little crybaby because he didn't give you his litany. I don't want his name - it's you I would be avoiding.

[Crazyfruit]

Did you folks not understand that this would make someone go "Screw you guys, you can't have my ****"?

If you're going to pull things like this, get them to roll off the litany first.

That said, Vile Blasphemy is Min Level 13. A character doing Abbot and planning on TRing will probably get more use out of it than someone who is staying a class for awhile.

[Shrggnien]

Sounds like loot rules were not explained until after the rolls, which means he is justified in being upset.

Just as you can do what you want, he can do what he wants with his loot.

As for TR being a BS reason to get an item, I have to think you are inexperienced and have never TRed. What if he had 6 caster lives ahead of him and his final build was going to be a caster completionist? Sometimes a TR is more justified in taking an item than someone who just happens to be on a caster life this time but in a few levels with TR into something else and never be a caster again. That's a very 2009 attidude you have.

The OP is a completionist XD

[fork_aka_spoon]

it's you I would be avoiding.

ok sounds good. my toons are forking, forkme, forked, and kittydps, if i make more would you like a pm?

The OP is a completionist XD

ya i have never trd, whats that?

i guess i have been out of the pug scene for too long, no one ever appreciated someone rolling for tr. if my guildy thought a melee was going to roll on it he would have been more specific, guess courtesy is lost nowadays and surprised how few people care about it anymore.

more flame please!

edit: apparently more than a few people have had problems with this guy, everyone who has wanted his name so far has told me they weren't surprised by him doing it.