(rant) So, giving chests after completed quest is greed...

[Enoach]

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I've seen your LFMs a bunch so I know you are working hard to get your bauble and I can understand why you would not want to put something like "still looking for that bauble" which means nothing.

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Interesting take on the phrase, as it means something to those I run into on Khyber anyways. However, I will point out when I used this phrasing, be it for Weapons Shipment or Epic Devil Assault it has netted me the items I was after far more often than it has left me burned (I was burned once, but in retrospect I can say I had all the warning signs of how they were going to handle the situation). So I'll continue to catch my flies with honey .

To the OP, good luck and I know you will appreciate your bauble once you pull it.

[Spoprockel]

My advice: just use /squelch as soon as you get a message like that.

If you give certain people a free chest without asking for anything in return they'll still accuse you of stealing their time, increasing their ransack counters and not giving them a chance to finish the quest with you for xp.

Some people can't or don't want to understand that your lfm was meant for others who like to help or are looking for other items in there.

Wording and the use of capslock only change the amount of things some people want to misinterpret into it.

[Llewndyn]

It's already done.
Identify myself, I'm Icearrow on same server - ghallanda.

Thus, It seems you couldn't recognize one thing.
There is united private guild/raid channel on ghallanda and a lot of private channel.
Gratz. You're one of infamous since you had posted this thread.

For END GAME GUILD? well... good luck, there is no guild which one accept greedy and brazenface guy.

No idea what you're trying to say up there, but you saved me the trouble of trying to find out your toon name on Ghallanda

He shouldn't have to go to a "united private guild/raid channel on ghallanda and a lot of private channel" to get decent people who will read your LFM and come in and get their FREE LOOT and pass you the item YOU AND ONLY YOU worked for.

To whomever said the people joining and clicking on the chest are somehow doing Vellrad a favor, I respectfully disagree. Vellrad ran the quest alone. None of those people helped him. They don't deserve ANY of the loot, because they did no work for it. That's why there are no quests in the game where you zone in, walk down a hallway, and open a chest to get an LDS. If this is what happened, then yes, he would need to ask a little nicer. For a FREE completion and FREE vendor loot the LEAST you can do is pass him the item he ran the quest for.

Vellrad was already infamous.... as one of the better players on the server. His groups almost always complete with little to no trouble, and he is MORE than a competent player whom I respect and would be more inclined to side with and help as he's helped me numerous times, probably without knowing it (I was soul stone number 3 on the grassy knoll in Ritual Sacrifice, thanks for the bacon in the backpack!)

Vellrad is not the greedy one. The greedy "brazenface guy" is the tool who joins, saunters to the end chest unmolested by orthons and devils, opens a chest that he EXPLICITY JOINED THE LFM TO HAND OVER, and then keeps it. 11 out of 10 people agree, given the two the one getting blacklisted would not be Vellrad

[squishwizzy]

Bad behavior is not the same as breaking the law and endangering the safety and lives of families in the neighborhood.

Huh?

Call me crazy, but "endangering lives" is the same as doing something (behavior) that my potentially harm someone (bad).

Complaining on the forums is not the same as going to the police.

Again: huh?

I'm the one who went to the police, not the guy engaging in speeding.

The policeman was the enabler, so was the guy defending the obnoxious jerk.

What part of this don't you quite understand?

It's just a terrible analogy. If you want to come up with an analogy that actually does work, that's fine. But it's not the one you posted.

Its only a terrible analogy if you don't understand the meaning of words, or if you don't want to admit that maybe you're wrong.

The fact that I have to point a lot of this out is rather disturbing.

[squishwizzy]

Maybe if I used sock puppets...?

[Sonos]

Maybe if I used sock puppets...?

Yes please

[k0211312d]

None of those people helped him. They don't deserve ANY of the loot, because they did no work for it.
Vellrad was already infamous.... as one of the better players on the server.

Then, Don't invite another user and Don't let them waste their time.
Run on soloing mode, loot his own portion.
There is no right to claim another user's loot in force[Bauble? Someone know it's useful for their character but the others not. Trickery play possum nuts]

If he run for solo and took own loot, there is no problem.
But not for this situation.
Invitation like this is not a good purpose, just satisfy his(turbokransnel whatever) own greed.

Is it enough for logicless sophist?

[k0211312d]

No idea what you're trying to say up there, but you saved me the trouble of trying to find out your toon name on Ghallanda

He shouldn't have to go to a "united private guild/raid channel on ghallanda and a lot of private channel" to get decent people who will read your LFM and come in and get their FREE LOOT and pass you the item YOU AND ONLY YOU worked for.

To whomever said the people joining and clicking on the chest are somehow doing Vellrad a favor, I respectfully disagree. Vellrad ran the quest alone. None of those people helped him. They don't deserve ANY of the loot, because they did no work for it. That's why there are no quests in the game where you zone in, walk down a hallway, and open a chest to get an LDS. If this is what happened, then yes, he would need to ask a little nicer. For a FREE completion and FREE vendor loot the LEAST you can do is pass him the item he ran the quest for.

Vellrad was already infamous.... as one of the better players on the server. His groups almost always complete with little to no trouble, and he is MORE than a competent player whom I respect and would be more inclined to side with and help as he's helped me numerous times, probably without knowing it (I was soul stone number 3 on the grassy knoll in Ritual Sacrifice, thanks for the bacon in the backpack!)

Vellrad is not the greedy one. The greedy "brazenface guy" is the tool who joins, saunters to the end chest unmolested by orthons and devils, opens a chest that he EXPLICITY JOINED THE LFM TO HAND OVER, and then keeps it. 11 out of 10 people agree, given the two the one getting blacklisted would not be Vellrad

Go for it. Stupid logicless sophist.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Huh?

Call me crazy, but "endangering lives" is the same as doing something (behavior) that my potentially harm someone (bad).

Endangering lives is doing something bad. Being rude is also doing something bad. That does not mean that being rude comes even close to the level of endangering lives. You told a nice story. I enjoyed the story. The story just had nothing to do with this thread.

Again: huh?

I'm the one who went to the police, not the guy engaging in speeding.

The policeman was the enabler, so was the guy defending the obnoxious jerk.

What part of this don't you quite understand?

The part where you think that "defending the obnoxious jerk" has anything to do with law enforcement officers refusing to protect the safety and lives of people who were being actively endangered by reckless drivers (I'm assuming that the safety and lives of people were being actively endangered here based on the fact that you called the police - yes, I realize that is an assumption).

I think that the OP and the person who sent the /tells to the OP were both rude. I don't see any "good guy" here. I also think that trying to connect your story to this thread is silly.

Its only a terrible analogy if you don't understand the meaning of words, or if you don't want to admit that maybe you're wrong.

Nope. Me talk gud. Me reed gud two!

The fact that I have to point a lot of this out is rather disturbing.

The fact that you are trying to cling to a failed analogy is disappointing, but not at all disturbing. You don't have to point any of this out. You choose to justify your analogy (even though it really doesn't have anything to do with this thread). That's your choice. If it makes you feel better, that's fine.

[LrdSlvrhnd]

The way I figure it:

If I hit an LFM and I'm part of the quest and I help provide a completion... **** your LFM rule, if I loot something I want, I'm bloody well gonna keep it.

If I hit an LFM and you did all the work and I'm getting free loot for running to and through the quest... I'll offer up anything and everything that drops, no matter what it is or how much I want it. If I pulled two shards and seals of Templar's Justice in a quest where you did all the work... they're yours, even though my dorf ranger will be screaming bloody murder. I'll hope you *don't* want them... but they're yours.

[Nephilia]

Maybe if I used sock puppets...?

Sure u can!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf--ISBmLno
Enjoy

Then, Don't invite another user and Don't let them waste their time.
Run on soloing mode, loot his own portion.
There is no right to claim another user's loot in force[Bauble? Someone know it's useful for their character but the others not. Trickery play possum nuts]

If he run for solo and took own loot, there is no problem.
But not for this situation.
Invitation like this is not a good purpose, just satisfy his(turbokransnel whatever) own greed.

Is it enough for logicless sophist?

He didn't invite anyone.
He opened a lfm with specific rule.
The guy didn't ask him with a private message "hey I'll join but I'd keep the bauble, is that ok?", and do u guess why?
Cause in that case Vellrad would have declined his request (which was totally in his rights to do).
The guy did read the lfm and apply so he agreed with the its terms!
U don't like 'em?
That's totally your right so don't apply and it's over.

If I open my house to guest with "no smoke inside" rule I expect everyone to don't smoke inside or I'll kick him/her out of the door.
U're lungs are your and u think about their health, totally true, but out of my dominion!
That was his party, with his lfm and his rules.

[Micron]

This thread almost makes me want to start playing on Ghallanda again.

[Miow]

I'd touch your chest all day long if you let me. A bauble is a small price to pay.

:P

[donblas]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172475

The following activities are considered to be violations of the Terms of Service:

* Using any method to loot a chest or accept quest reward with any character who did not complete the related quest objective from start to finish.

[redspecter23]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172475

The following activities are considered to be violations of the Terms of Service:

* Using any method to loot a chest or accept quest reward with any character who did not complete the related quest objective from start to finish.

So what you're saying is that anyone that opens the chest is fine, but if a player that comes in after completion loots ANYTHING from that end chest they are in violation of the terms of service. Looks like anyone coming in at the end to loot MUST pass all loot or risk a ban.

It all depends on what the "quest objective" is in this case. That's a bit subjective. One could argue the "quest objective" is simply walking from the start of the quest to the end, which anyone coming in would be doing. One could argue that the "quest objective" is killing the boss, which would imply that if you were grouped the whole quest but only one person killed the boss, then you would not be allowed to loot the chest. Way too many subjective ways to interpret that rule. That's probably on purpose so it comes down to a moderator decision on what is right or wrong.

[Llewndyn]

Go for it. Stupid logicless sophist.

She does, she told me so.

Vellrad asked people along because he was tired of farming for a bauble and not getting one. I don't know how much more simpler I can make this until you understand, buddy. This is common practice. There is NOTHING wrong with it. If you aren't going to follow the rules of the LFM, don't join. Simple as that.

I'm not sure what a sophist is, so I am assuming you are making up words. But I get the gist of your post. Probably not many people like me and that's OK. My popularity, your popularity, Vellrad's popularity mean little to nothing in this instance. I am simply stating he was in the right and you are in the wrong. I stand by that statement. If someone says don't join unless you are going to pass X, even if caps hurts your tender sensibilities, DON'T JOIN. How did we turn to a community of whining crybabies over some things? Caps may hurt some people's feelings? LOL

[Sonos]

She does, she told me so.

Vellrad asked people along because he was tired of farming for a bauble and not getting one. I don't know how much more simpler I can make this until you understand, buddy. This is common practice. There is NOTHING wrong with it. If you aren't going to follow the rules of the LFM, don't join. Simple as that.

I'm not sure what a sophist is, so I am assuming you are making up words. But I get the gist of your post. Probably not many people like me and that's OK. My popularity, your popularity, Vellrad's popularity mean little to nothing in this instance. I am simply stating he was in the right and you are in the wrong. I stand by that statement. If someone says don't join unless you are going to pass X, even if caps hurts your tender sensibilities, DON'T JOIN. How did we turn to a community of whining crybabies over some things? Caps may hurt some people's feelings? LOL

I'm not sure anyone's feelings are actually hurt, exaggeration poohaps? What has been pointed out was simply that the LFM came off a little d-baggy. The person responding to the LFM was in the wrong as well.

It seems to take real guts to just say "Please" these days. Everyone is so scared of sounding vulnerable that they put up a bulldog front.

You want someone to help you pull a bauble, why not ask nicely? Most people won't mind making the run out there to help out and pick up a couple tchotchkes.

Complete side note: I just realized that a tchotchke can be a bauble :P

[k0211312d]

Sure u can!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf--ISBmLno
Enjoy



He didn't invite anyone.
He opened a lfm with specific rule.
The guy didn't ask him with a private message "hey I'll join but I'd keep the bauble, is that ok?", and do u guess why?
Cause in that case Vellrad would have declined his request (which was totally in his rights to do).
The guy did read the lfm and apply so he agreed with the its terms!
U don't like 'em?
That's totally your right so don't apply and it's over.

If I open my house to guest with "no smoke inside" rule I expect everyone to don't smoke inside or I'll kick him/her out of the door.
U're lungs are your and u think about their health, totally true, but out of my dominion!
That was his party, with his lfm and his rules.

Are you confusing public order and social ethics[avoid smoker in your homeplace] vs intended greedy purpose?
Though, I'm non smoker and agree on your opinion.
Your house is your's also lung is your's. That match for common sense because didn't disobey morality.
But that turbokransnel whatever is not.
Just one's selfish interests and desires.

Now can you catch the difference?

[k0211312d]

She does, she told me so.

Vellrad asked people along because he was tired of farming for a bauble and not getting one. I don't know how much more simpler I can make this until you understand, buddy. This is common practice. There is NOTHING wrong with it. If you aren't going to follow the rules of the LFM, don't join. Simple as that.

I'm not sure what a sophist is, so I am assuming you are making up words. But I get the gist of your post. Probably not many people like me and that's OK. My popularity, your popularity, Vellrad's popularity mean little to nothing in this instance. I am simply stating he was in the right and you are in the wrong. I stand by that statement. If someone says don't join unless you are going to pass X, even if caps hurts your tender sensibilities, DON'T JOIN. How did we turn to a community of whining crybabies over some things? Caps may hurt some people's feelings? LOL

Pathetic... I would throw away not only for bauble but also caught in the web relic weapons or any EE gears on U16, If he ask polite on LFM or for another user.
Thanks god I don't have to join in like these low morality guy's group.

First of all, You should know your place and act accordingly.
I don't need to whinning and begging for specific item or raid group THUS DARN END GAME GUILD, though it's just online game.

Can't believe 32years old man couldn't setup proper morality,mental age,logic then just advocate greedy one.
Birds of a feather flock together?

Are you able to figure the situation out?

[k0211312d]

I'm warning you, I'm angry, and its my rant here.

I was farming weapons shipment to get bauble, then I'm usually putting LFM after it was done, and pop chests with whoever joined in 5 minutes.

People gets money, arrowheads, boots mats and vendor trash and I got better chance to pull item.
But today, it turns out I'm an evil person because of that.

Few minutes later after I looted and recalled the guy was sending me some tells. I don't know how much, because i squelched him after 1st one.

I really don't know what to say.
I'm not forcing anyone to join, I'm not forbiding anyone to complete quest on their own, and farming their baubles. Everyone who joined was usually happy about getting chests without putting much effort into doing something, they seemed to be sad that they can't pass me bauble I'm after.

I don't know what caused this noob's behaviour.
Is it trend to want rewards handed to some players with 0 contribution, is just trolling, or maybe wanting something in return for loot is indeed greed? I doubt it, but the world seem to be changing too fast for me to catch up.

rant off

I'm going to farm this quest until I get that item. I just don't know should I give out chests to people.

People gets money, arrowheads, boots mats and vendor trash and I got better chance to pull item.
But today, it turns out I'm an evil person because of that.

Yes, you're greedy and evil.
That is hypocritical as well as dogmatic.
Just loot your solo loot portion then go away, Don't waste public LFM board and cheat another user.
Thus don't whinning at our sacred ghallanda forum with ridiculous petition.
Seems one of your friend 'Llewndyn' don't know what's truely whinning.

As I said before, Influence : The Psychology of Persuasion.
Though I guess you're far below from standard person to figure out it's power.
If you had realized that, Didn't post LFM as above.

ex .1) quest done, 3free chests. I'm looking for bauble and really need it. Help please.
ex .2) Once you pull that I'll try my best to trade what I need. Let me know what you need.

Jesus... Am I talking with elementary school students?