How are people getting these INSANE DCs?

[20FootCezanne]

You realize "blue shields" is spell resistance . . . and has absolutely nothing to do with your DC.

Obviously, haha. BUT, to get that DC, you sacrifice SR that you could have taken from Peircing Spellcraft/ Echoes of the Ancestors

[sigtrent]

Said sorcerers are full of ****. Lots of folks in DDO are full of **** when it comes to bragging about their characters.

An evo soc is not running around with 55 necro DC. A necro soc, sure that's possible if extreme.

Even among pale masters, 55 is a lot, you have to really specialize as much as possible (or be using store pots etc) to do that. I'm still working on breaking 50 on mine. I'll probably land around 52 as I like to focus a bit on damage casting as well.

In DDO, unless someone is giving you specific advice, it's often just BS.

[Vordax]

Obviously, haha. BUT, to get that DC, you sacrifice SR that you could have taken from Peircing Spellcraft/ Echoes of the Ancestors

There are only 2 quests where spell pen matters, EE detour with the 1 drow, debatable whether this matters and EE CitW. If you really want the spell pen, just change your twists when you do these quests. Personally twisting in 10% spell points is something I wouldn't do also. If I am running EH, I never run out of spell points, and in EE the spell pen twists (if needed) or more Int are better options.

[squishwizzy]

I don't know what you guys are arguing about. My Sorc has a maintainable DC of 70.

I could tell you how I got there...but that is a trade secret. I will tell you this: it requires bananas, duct tape, some plastic sheeting, Vasaline, and a gray house cat.

My toon is so uber, if I reveled my secret it mught unravel the fabric of the Universe. You don't want the fabric of the Universe unrevaling now, do you? Especially with Valentine's Day just around the corner?




I think not.

[squishwizzy]

Just as a side question, how - specifically - getting a 55+ DC gimping your toon? Are you referring to losing increases to spell pen, or something else.

Just seeking some specifics, nothing else.

[squishwizzy]

There are only 2 quests where spell pen matters, EE detour with the 1 drow, debatable whether this matters and EE CitW. If you really want the spell pen, just change your twists when you do these quests. Personally twisting in 10% spell points is something I wouldn't do also. If I am running EH, I never run out of spell points, and in EE the spell pen twists (if needed) or more Int are better options.

What about Servants of the Overlord, Devil Assult, and Chrono?

[Vordax]

What about Servants of the Overlord, Devil Assult, and Chrono?

Why run elite? Once for favor and done. If farming for equipment, faster to just run multiple times on EH. Only the quests that drop difficulty specific versions really need to be ran on elite. And those are end game quests now? Maybe end game pre U14, but not now. As I said, twist in the spell pen when needed, its usually not though.

[Feralthyrtiaq]

Shears...

Braggin rights won't fill an empty stomach.

The good ones don't need to brag. Most bragging is exaggeration. The more someone argues their claims the more they are exaggerating or full of it.


All claims are circumspect due to the Shears exploit.

[Lycurgus]

Every single time I join a group on my PM (which has 14 lives, including 3 wiz and 3 FvS) I get asked what my Necro and Enchant DCs are.

Well, with Yugo pot, Lich form, and ship buffed, they are 52 and 49, respectively. And everytime, someone has "Oh dude too low, I have a Evo-specced sorc with a 55 Necro DC" or something similar.


Are these people just full of it? Because the ONLY way I can think of to get my DCs any higher is to eat a +5 INT tome (have +3 atm), and get a +1 exc INT.


Here's my breakdown -

INT
18 base
6 levels
3 enhancement
1 Feat (took epic INT to even things out - this is temporary)
3 Insightful
8 Item
2 Yugo pot
2 Lich
5 Destiny (Magister)
1 Human Adaptibility
2 Ship
2 Wizard Capstone
3 Tome

= 56, self-buffed

I have +3 Necro DC from Magister, +3 item for both Necro and Enchant, and have SF and GSF of both Necro and Enchant

The only ways I can get this up are to crunch a +5 tome, get exceptional +1, and a Litany for Profane bonus, for a total of 60. From 56 to 60, I gain +2 DC to both schools, increasing it to 54/51.

Note - I COULD increase it further by twisting in 3 INT from destinys, and add in 6 from Magister instead of 5, but this makes me sacrifice too much for just +2 DC. (I would lose 10% SP, +5 Spell pen, 25 SP, +10% cooldown to Necro Spells). Sacrificing those would net me 56/53 DCs.

BUT THAT IS COMPLETELY MAXED OUT ON DCs. So HOW....HOW are people constantly telling me they have 59+ DCs on their sorc/wizard/whatever when I can only manage 54/51 without sacrificing a bunch of valuable ****?

Help me out here.

Fitting in +1 exceptional int shouldn't be that hard. Get exc. int, swap the epic int feat for a major spell focus and you've added 1 dc at little cost. Enchantment dcs are a bit easier to boost between the bard past life and the House P ship buff.

Also, it sounds like you're forgetting that echoes of the ancestors gives 1 int along with the 2 spell pen.

[20FootCezanne]

Fitting in +1 exceptional int shouldn't be that hard. Get exc. int, swap the epic int feat for a major spell focus and you've added 1 dc at little cost. Enchantment dcs are a bit easier to boost between the bard past life and the House P ship buff.

Also, it sounds like you're forgetting that echoes of the ancestors gives 1 int along with the 2 spell pen.

Ah yep, you are correct, I overlooked that, thanks! :P

[zichant]

It wouldn't surprise me if they were quoting their DCs with Arcane Spellsurge from Magister (+5 to all DCs for 20 seconds, can be used every 4 minutes).

[Jasparion]

I don't know what you guys are arguing about. My Sorc has a maintainable DC of 70.

I could tell you how I got there...but that is a trade secret.

Exploit from Shears. Im hoping at some stage Turbine force an ED refresh on us so we have to pick everything again (reset our points spends but we keep what we have unlocked).

Then the discussions on sensible DC requirements for dungeons can take place. And the guys soloing dungeons can prove that its skill/gear which gets them the completes, and not the cheating which does it.

[Aashrym]

Obviously, haha. BUT, to get that DC, you sacrifice SR that you could have taken from Peircing Spellcraft/ Echoes of the Ancestors

Spell penetration isn't always needed. A person can adjust for spell penetration as needed, cover more gap with a lot of past lives, or use spells that don't require a spell penetration check. Spell penetration is important but it's not the end all be all; DC's are still more important for the most part.

[Sydril]

My evocation specced sorcerer has about a 45 necro and enchant dc, and around a 54 evo dc.

Those are pretty pimped out numbers for a sorcerer, although I only have past life wizard in terms of feat selection that affect necro and enchant. Spell pen is slightly above average but nothing to write home about.