Epic Claw set and more stealth nerfed

[Ape_Man]

If i can have a citw weapons, i will prefer it over claw set. +4 attack/damage +15 prr and +8 stat is better than claw, imho. This way you can have PDK gloves + convalescence of superior parrying bracers.

Cool, now where did my heavy fort go . . .

[JOTMON]

If we do find that some item sets become disproprtionally underutilized as a result of this change, we may consider individually buffing those set bonuses in a future patch.

This is where I see the problem.

Nerf now .. maybe fix later some day in some unnamed future patch probably only if people are still complaining.

Take the Claw set.
No slots.. take away the stacking +4 as this is now and make it the same bonus as other items and you devalue the claw set. Other sets/items have slots so players will dump their claw sets in favor of other items or sets which offer better synergy or stacking bonusses.

The Claw set grind for me took months vs spending an hour in the kings forest killing randoms for enough commodations to pickup the PDK set.

The time value investment is flawed when you retroactively nerf comperable items without giving it something to keep it viable or competative.

These changes to the Red Fens items kill the Red Fens Pack as I see it since no effort has been made to balance the loss with any sort of gain.

[BruceTheHoon]

This is where I see the problem.

Nerf now .. maybe fix later some day in some unnamed future patch probably only if people are still complaining.

Take the Claw set.
No slots.. take away the stacking +4 as this is now and make it the same bonus as other items and you devalue the claw set. Other sets/items have slots so players will dump their claw sets in favor of other items or sets which offer better synergy or stacking bonusses.

The unspecified time is also my greatest concern. As an example: Kensei II and Titan's Grip still do not mix.
If something is taken away, something else should be given to balance it out.

[Ape_Man]

If something is taken away, something else should be given to balance it out.

Nonsense. This is Turbine. They will nerf you. They do not care how many hours you spent on old gear. All that matters is the fabulous new shinies that they think are wonderful.

[BlackSteel]

So what your telling me is that the new blackscale gives me no special artifact bonus at all , But melees still get 3% doublestrike , You took away one of the 2 things i might of wanted from Egh . You really know how to punch us ranged characters in the throat !!!!!!!!!

agreed.

the blackscale's bonus to ranged damage might as well not even be there. that or if we're truley supposed to be limited on the stacking damage bonuses, then we should see more worthwhile effects in other equipment slots.

if my main was a melee and not a ranged/casting arti then I could swap out to the chrono gloves, the amulet of the stormreaver, or slot doublestrike somewhere.

I'm becoming less and less excited for the update; as at the moment the only thing I have to look foward to now is a new quiver(yay!) and a 2nd place to farm commendations to upgrade my xbow which even upgraded has a pittance of the effects given to any of the other weapons.

*I'd love to give up my shintao bonus in favor of the amulet. but the damage perk is melee only. Just as annoying as the chrono gloves
*I'd love to pick up the blackscale, but the bonus is less than my claw set, and I already sport a decent amount of armor piercing. I might as well go with the blue now, or some defensive orriented armor. Afterall Leaves of the Forest lets me use Yugo Int pots for +1 DC / ranged damage and some SP regen.
*I'd love to break up my claw set, but I'm not giving up 3o% healing amp. And the only other place to get it is..... yep a glove. I might as well use the claw set. Cause PDK is less of a bonus for more slots.
*I'd love to give up my Litany, but atm theres no other place to pick up the +Int (profane); so its essentially +2 to hit / damage and a +DC. the planar confluxes were tempting when they stacked. They're certainly NOT tempting, atleast for my character, if all they do is replicate a bonus I get elsewhere.
*I'd love to use the old redscale, I even crafted one on my arti, but the flaming damage doesnt play nice with rune arms


I'd like to see more varied equipment with Healing Amp, sneak attack +5, profane stat bonuses, or neat little procs that work with both ranged and melee

[Cetus]

So it doesn't affect you so it must be okay? Not calling you out on this specifically but that's the general gist from many.

Yep

You seemed to have missed the part where I said "Personally..." You can call me out if you'd like, but my opinion still remains. I was dumping it while its still stacking, so to me this is inconsequential. It might be to others.

The bigger issue for me arises from the vantage point of the conflux set rather than the claw set. Its a nerf to weapons that were difficult to incorporate as viable alternatives - especially for two handers. So when feather finally gave us upgrades to make them a bit better, the damage portion of the set bonus gets nerfed.

Even ranged toons get a bit of a shaft with the 2 dmg off the blackscale. I don't care so much about the claw set as I do about reducing the efficiency of the new stuff.

But hey, you won't see a response from our loot designer about how to rectify this. You'll just continue seeing unimportant posts in threads about inisignificant monster manual stuff.

EDIT: In case feather DOES decide to rectify this, here's a suggestion: 1) Allow the gem to finally work with the bracers. 2) Give at least one of them a blue slot and the other a yellow. This way its a very nice alternative.

[Ape_Man]

But hey, you won't see a response from our loot designer about how to rectify this. You'll just continue seeing unimportant posts in threads about inisignificant monster manual stuff.

Why would he want feedback from the peasants who keep his company afloat by paying for the game? What would the actual players know about anything?

[oradafu]

If we do find that some item sets become disproprtionally underutilized as a result of this change, we may consider individually buffing those set bonuses in a future patch.

So kind of like what ya'll did with the revamping of the original Epic items. The House P and D items got a boost. Oh, wait...then there's the the Sands, VoN and Red Fen items that got pushed back in the schedule when it came to revamping. And later never came because over a year later, MOTU came out and total eclipsed 99% the previous Epic items (of course, most Epic items were junk to begin with). So the hard to acquire and very VERY grindy old Epic items continue to be junk.

Nope. I have no faith that old set boni will be buffed later on. Or at least buffed so they would be as useful as their hard to acquire nature should put them. I expect the readjustment for the set items to happen sometime after the Enhancement changes happen, the Challenge mat and XP adjustments are made, Sands and Von and Red Fens epic items get their boost, and the Wand Bracelet to finally hit the live server.

[Dandonk]

Yes, +4 melee damage is totally gamebreaking.... wut?

[Snarglefrump]

While it's true that some characters who have used these sets together will lose +4 of their damage bonus

Since this is sort of balance/bug fix that's removing some of the utility of the hard-to-farm Claw set, could you balance it out with long-awaited bug fix that would increase the utility of the Claw set?

Specifically, could you fix the Epic Gem of Many Facets to work with either item of each set, as Gensai hinted at here?

[Henky]

Cool, now where did my heavy fort go . . .

On a new slot on some shinny new item

But yes, eSoS users will be far better with claw set (that shard still eludes me).

[Miow]

Since this is sort of balance/bug fix that's removing some of the utility of the hard-to-farm Claw set, could you balance it out with long-awaited bug fix that would increase the utility of the Claw set?

Specifically, could you fix the Epic Gem of Many Facets to work with either item of each set, as Gensai hinted at here?

I've been suggesting this forever...will it happen at this point not so sure.

[Ape_Man]

On a new slot on some shinny new item

But yes, eSoS users will be far better with claw set (that shard still eludes me).

Anyone NOT using a CiTW weapon will be better off in Claw. This invalidates the CiTW stuff more than it does claw.

[HouseAtreides]

We can complain all we want, but Feather and the rest of them could not care less about player disappointment. In nerfs, loot quality, grind level, NOTHING.

[Ape_Man]

We can complain all we want, but Feather and the rest of them could not care less about player disappointment. In nerfs, loot quality, grind level, NOTHING.

because we're still hooked to this game like Whitney Houston was to crack.

They'll release a new P2Win item in the store int he next couple of days and we'll forget all about this because we have the attention span of the American electorate.

[1Soulless1]

We can complain all we want, but Feather and the rest of them could not care less about player disappointment. In nerfs, loot quality, grind level, NOTHING.

Yup Yup, back of the bus for us =o[

Sorry FoS I am really disappointed with most of the gear in EGH here. I can kind of see your point about not wanting the loot gods to make 'another SoS/ESoS' kind of mistake, but really??.....REALLY??

Oh well back to the EE Ivy Wrap grind.

[LeLoric]

If we do find that some item sets become disproprtionally underutilized as a result of this change, we may consider individually buffing those set bonuses in a future patch.

Like you buffed all the other horrendous set bonuses from Tod sets and fens epic sets?

[Grailhawk]

because we're still hooked to this game like Whitney Houston was to crack.

They'll release a new P2Win item in the store int he next couple of days and we'll forget all about this because we have the attention span of the American electorate.

I wonder how hard it would be to organize a boycott of the DDO Store. If only we it was the 1960's.

[Argila]

The think is, if you want to gear your char what do you run?


Caught in the Web?

Most of the charm of this raid was the set and the weapons that went to the set. It required the favor and 3 comms.
With this nerfed, what is the point of running it now if you already have the claw set?
(and even if you dont have the claw set, the claw set may be a better option in most cases)


Plane of Night?

Apart from the eSOS (good luck on the shard, you will need it) most items from there are obsolete now.


The Chronoscope?

Most of the gear is also obsolete.
The eChrono set may be nice yet for some but if you really start to think about the amount of grind you need to do to get it, you will just go after easier alternatives.


The Lord of Blades and The Master Artificer

Alchemical weapons and not much more. Most don't even care about the Alchemicals.


Zawabi's Revenge

Most is obsolete also here. But there are a few items good enough yet.
But good luck getting the shard/seal with the drop rates the good ones have.


And this is only raids, i am not even writing about the loot from TOD, Sentinels or Web of Chaos chain (that haves the shard/seals drop bugged for ages), for example.

[Jay203]

it's not that big of a deal.... imo... =_=;;;