Repeating one quest in a chain

[Son_of_the_South]

Say im running Water Works and have just completed part 1 on elite (The Kobold's Den: Clan Gnashtooth) and then complete part 2 on elite (The Kobold's Den: Rescuing Arlos) and i want to immediately do Part 2 again but on Hard.

Can i go straight back into Part 2 or do i need to abandon Part 2 and head straight back in or will this reset the whole chain forcing me to re do Part 1 also?

Can I, if in a party with others, "grab the window" of Part 2 and head back in on Hard (or only on elite). Is there a way to farm Part 2 without having to re do Part 1? Can one person abandon Part 2 allowing another to 'share' that part and head back in?

I know Part 2 is linked to Part 1 which is why i ask.

Same goes for Tangleroot and others like Catacombs...........

[Ivan_Milic]

The only way I know is when you in party and you dont advance after you finish first part.
Others advance it,so you go in on elite red window and can come back to do it hard.

[FestusHood]

The only way I know is when you in party and you dont advance after you finish first part.
Others advance it,so you go in on elite red window and can come back to do it hard.

Is this what they call window farming? I've seen that term but not really known what it meant

[Dexol]

Is this what they call window farming? I've seen that term but not really known what it meant

complete a quest
all but 1 recall (or at least 1 person remain in)
one opens the enter quest/difficulty select "window"
remaining person recalls
game logic removes the instance as its empty and complete.
person holding the "window" enters quest
game logic creates new instance
all enter
?
profit

you can reset the quest chain and do parts 1 and 2 again if you want to.

[Demaril]

changing difficulty mid farm on ww would only work if 1 guy sat out p2, as has been sugested in a chain where you have to advance each time its different

[psykopeta]

OP, ivan told you the way to do what you want(play in a different diff of the same quest, someone needs to stay in part 1 of the chain, because if he/she advances, the quest will be completed in part2, so you will need to do part 1 &2)

windowfarming is what dexol said, this way you can't change the difficulty

so if you want to rerun a quest in different diff, make sure at least 1 don't talk to the guy to advance in the chain(no matter which chain, you always have to talk to a guy to advance your chain, don't recall any exception)

[Demaril]

WW and STK cant think of any others though

[Therigar]

There are several quest chains that are difficult to go back to mid-quest; Waterworks, Seal of Shan-To-Kor (STK), Assault on Splinterskull (Tangleroot), Greymoon Waning and Cult of the Six (Co6), Delera's Tomb, Ruins of Threnal, etc.

In some cases you can repeat specific portions of the quest by window farming -- for example, Thrall of the Necromancer from the Delera's Tomb series. In other cases finishing one part automatically advances you to the next part -- for example Waterworks.

You CAN farm the auto advance quests but you have to be careful. The other way to get around this automatic advancement is by having party members NOT advance the quest. But, it is a PITA to do it this way because you have to finish a part, recall out, then wait on the designated party member to run to the quest giver and run back again.

When window farming it is sometimes hard to change the difficulty level of the quest because when the player "grabs the window" it will show the quest in progress with the current difficulty setting. You typically cannot reset the difficulty even after the last person recalls (having waited for the player to "grab the window"). People who want to run the quest this way -- first at one difficulty and then at the other -- usually are forced to use the walk-around method of having a player who did NOT advance the quest to start with.

The one other way around this is to have a second character who is on that particular quest chain and the precise quest you need, with the ability to open on the difficulty you need. They join the group temporarily, open the quest, then drop group only to be replaced by the character you want to play.

Again, this is a PITA but some players (particularly those with multiple TRs who are following leveling plans and hunting maximum XP quests) will do this just to open the high XP quest on elite. They'll then use the window farm method to keep the quest running while they farm.

[Matuse]

People who are super-serial about doing a mid-chain quest without having to re-run the entire chain over again will have a second account where a character is at that stage of the chain, but who never completes it.

Second account opens quest, party enters, second account leaves quest and logs out, party runs quest.

[Khalaq]

you can reset the quest chain and do parts 1 and 2 again if you want to.

I've been looking and looking for an explanation of what happens when you choose to repeat a quest, but I have not found the information anywhere. Here is what I did and the (undesirable) result:

1. Completed the first part of the Necropolis chain.
2. Completed the first four quests of the Necropolis chain, but did not finish its final quest.
3. Grabbed the quests for the first part of the Necropolis chain, again, and did the first quest.
4. Decided to do the chain on another character, instead, so I Abandoned the (repeated) quests in the first part.
5. I can still repeat the quests in the first part, but I can no longer repeat the final quest in that part because I supposedly have not done the first four quests.

Meanwhile, the Adventure log still registers me as having completed those quests on Elite difficulty and I still have the favor gained from it. I therefore seem to have put myself in a position of having to re-run the entire first part of The Necropolis if I don't want the entire chain screwed up. Not cool. It does bring up some unanswered questions, though.

* If I decide to repeat a quest I have already finished, but then decide I do not want to repeat it, how do I "get rid of it?" Abandoning it seems to remove its original "Completed" status.
* What are the exact effects of Abandoning a quest?
* Are there specific instances where it is a good idea to Abandon a quest?

There really should be a page on Abandoning Quests in the DDO wiki, but I have been unable to locate any such information.

[Enoach]

barring a member of the group not advancing there are a subset of quests where you have to redo the lead up quest to redo the quests.

Generally this occurs where the entrance of a quest is inside a quest and there is only a single entrance for the series. Such as Water Works part 1&2 and 3&4, or SDK.

The exception is if there are separate entrances to each quest (House D sewers) or if each quest has its own quest giver (Sharn).

[ggmarquez]

I've been looking and looking for an explanation of what happens when...

this is a great necro. +1

always abandon the firecaves pt. 1. this allows you to "farm" it on each difficulty by reacquiring the first part, completing it on each difficulty, then abandoning it again.

never abandon anything you actually want to flag for the final quest. bloody crypt, shadow crypt, threnal etc.
but really, you should just grab a second account, flag one character for each of the crypts, then never complete those quests with that character. that character is now an "opener" and any time you want to run a quest that requires flagging, just hop on, party up, viola... you can redbox.

abandoning a quest resets to "never been completed" in terms of flagging mechanics. although you will still have favor, and if there is a teleporter like to the firecaves in 3bc, the game remembers you have completed it and will allow you to port there.

there's a way to abandon half of threnal if you are just trying to farm a mantle/ratcatcher whatever, and you won't have to repeat all three sites. i forget which part you are suppose to abandon. shrug