WF AM Wizard (Build Feedback Plz)

[Darkstar1996]

I have been wanting an good caster and now thought this could work well. If there can be changes plz say so and my spell list is a rough pick, i thought those spells seem good. (Wanna try to be an Instakilling with Otto's Dance spells thats why I took the Spell Enchantment feat)

Thank you here is the build!

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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 1927 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 14
Will: 10

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             10                 10                   10
Dexterity             8                  8                    8
Constitution         18                 18                   20
Intelligence         18                 23                   26
Wisdom                6                  6                    6
Charisma              6                  6                    6

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               1                 10.5                 10.5
Bluff                -2                 -2                   -2
Concentration         8                 28                   32
Diplomacy            -2                 -2                   -2
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                 -2                   -2
Heal                 -2                 -2                   -2
Hide                 -1                 10.5                 10.5
Intimidate           -2                 -2                   -2
Jump                  2                 11.5                 11.5
Listen               -2                 -2                   -2
Move Silently        -1                 -1                   -1
Open Lock            n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                4                  8                    8
Search                4                 13                   13
Spot                  0                  9.5                  9.5
Swim                  0                  0                    0
Tumble                1                  3                    3
Use Magic Device      0                  9.5                  9.5

Level 1 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Spell (1): Burning Hands
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Spell (1): Feather Fall
Spell (1): Hypnotism
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Magic Missile
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray


Level 2 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (1): Repair Light Damage
Spell (1): Shield


Level 3 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Otto's Resistible Dance


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Repair Moderate Damage
Spell (2): Scorching Ray


Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Evocation
Spell (3): Fireball
Spell (3): Repair Serious Damage


Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Frost Lance


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (4): Fire Shield
Spell (4): Ice Storm
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage I
Enhancement: Archmage Spell Mastery I: Evocation


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Spell (4): Wall of Fire


Level 9 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Eschew Materials
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Spell (5): Ball Lightning


Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (4): Repair Critical Damage


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (6): Greater Heroism
Spell (6): Otiluke's Freezing Sphere


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Spell (6): Reconstruct
Spell (6): Chain Lightning


Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (7): Delayed Blast Fireball
Spell (7): Otto's Sphere of Dancing


Level 14 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (7): Finger of Death
Spell (7): Greater Teleport


Level 15 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (8): Otto's Irresistible Dance
Spell (8): Polar Ray


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (8): Symbol of Death
Spell (8): Black Dragon Bolt


Level 17 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (9): Meteor Swarm
Spell (9): Wail of the Banshee


Level 18 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Spell (9): Power Word: Kill
Spell (9): Energy Drain


Level 19 (Wizard)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (9): Summon Monster IX
Spell (4): Phantasmal Killer


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (3): Rage
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Improved Concentration III
Enhancement: Improved Concentration IV
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VII
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage II
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage III
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage IV
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage V
Enhancement: Archmage Secondary Spell Mastery I: Enchantment
Enhancement: Archmage Spell Mastery II: Evocation

[skullzz]

Since most spells can be found on scrolls there is no need to select them in the planner.

My question is: How do you want the wizard to play? Do you want to be mostly dps, cc or insta killer? With what you have I would almost say that a scr would be a better fit (dps)

However, this can be a good build. But do not take eschew materials over quicken. Quicken is almost a must have in any epic quest since the concentration Dc is 10+damage taken (typically around 50-70)

There are not many spells that require spell components and if you pick up 2000 lvl 3 and lvl 5 comps and 1000 of all others. That for me (2-3 hours per night semi-zerg running that lasts me close to a month)

[Kinerd]

You say you want instant kills but you went Evocation Primary. Instant kill spells for wizards are predominantly Necromancy, the exceptions are...
Phantasmal Killer (Illusion and gives two saves, so not very good)
Trap the Soul (Conjuration and has annoying components that cannot be Eschewed)
Prismatic Ray/Spray (Evocation and only 2 in 7 chance of getting the kill effect, hence Prism)
...so generally you would go SF/GSF Necro instead of Evo if you want instant kills.

As touched on above, Eschew only works for mundane spell components: no free TtS, no free Stoneskin. Because mundane spell components are inexpensive and pretty easy to come by, Eschew is not a super useful feat.

Heighten is a crucial feat for arcanes. It's +7 DC on Web, +3 on Circle of Death, +2 on Finger of Death and Otto's Sphere.

Regarding spells, in general you get the most results by taking spells at level-ups which you can't purchase scrolls for off the shelf. If these were your thoughts for a final spellbook, first thing is to keep in mind you get 5 per spell level. At each spell level...
2: Web is awesome. You can get it as an SLA (more on this later), but if you don't it's too awesome not to have. Having one non-Reconstruct Repair spell as a backup is fine, but one is definitely plenty.
3: Fireball tops out pretty quickly, plus it blows up your Webs. You can chuck it.
5: Your best single target direct damage spells by far are Niac's Biting Cold and Eladar's Electric Surge. Must-haves.
6: As mentioned earlier, Circle of Death is spell level 6.

Enhancements need some work.
-1/0/0 in Repair is plenty. 7/1/1 is super duper over-kill.
-You're spending 13 AP on 45 HP (Con 1-2, Tough 3-4), that's a very low return on investment.
-Same story with Archmage 5. 6 AP for 105 SP is better than 13/45 HP, but it's still pretty low. Don't need it for Spell Mastery 2.
-What to do with all these newfound AP? Pump up your elemental lines. You have 27 AP to work with if you followed my advice, that's enough for two elements at 7/1/1, then either a third at 7/1/1 or spread out a little more.
-The strongest ability of Archmage is the ability to acquire Web as an SLA. This requires SF: Conj (drop Extend or Empower) and taking Secondary Spell Mastery in Conj instead of Enchant. This doesn't mean you can't cast Dancing Ball, but trust me, you'll find you hardly ever want to once you have SLA Web.
-A pretty good ability of Archmage is the ability to acquire Hypno as an SLA, because it carries an irresistible 3 penalty to Will save. You already have SF Enchant, and that's all it takes.

.

There's a lot to be said for Elfish Spell Pen on a first lifer, but that means PM, and it's fine if you don't want that. Any true self-healing arcane is a very, very solid character, it'll serve you well.

[jortann]

Hey Dark!

Here is a archmage build of mine...

Enchanted Death
The goal is to have decent Necro and Enchantment DCs at end game. I would suggest Warforged for the self healing. You can get an extra DC if you go Drow, but then you would have to be a Drow and purple and squishy. Also you could go human for an extra level 1 feat and one extra point of INT, which gets you half way to another DC.

Build Points
INT - 18
CON - 16
STR - minimum 12
CHA - Put whatever you have left here if you are a fleshy, then you might have enough UMD to use some sort of self healing other than pots.... if you care about that sort of thing.

Feats
1. Toughness
1. Insightful Reflexes OR Extend OR Empower (Check out this thread here for a discussion on this... http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=332478
1. (human bonus - grab another of Insightful Reflexes OR Extend OR Empower)
3. Maximize
5. Mental Toughness
6. Spell Focus: Enchant
9. Greater Spell Focus: Enchant
10. Heighten
12. Spell Focus: Necro
15. Greater Spell Focus: Necro
15. Spell Penetration
18. Greater Spell Penetration
20. Quicken

Skill Points
You have lots so it doesn't really matter.... My preference...
Concentration, Jump, Balance, Spot, UMD, Diplo, Bluff

Enhancements
Make sure you you get the prereqs for your archmage prestige enhancements.

Take Archmage Spell Mastery I & II in either Necro or Enchantment
Take Archmage Secondary Mastery in the other
Take Spell Penetration

I would not waste enhancement points on SLAs... That is my take. Some people love them, but I feel it cuts into my spell point pool too much.

The rest is a balance between hitpoints and power.

I try to ramp up two schools. I love fire. Ice works well at end game. Electric and acid seem to have potential as well. There would be a good arguement to have Ice and Electric at end game because they both have good DoTs (Damage over Time spells - Eladers Electric Surge and Niacs Biting Cold).

Thats the basics..

[Darkstar1996]

Really what i want to accomplish is:

-Be a Warforged to self Heal
-Launch some Otto's dance
-Instakill or hit VERY HIGH!
-LAUNCH ELEMENTS!
-Have a Large Spell Pool
-Can Solo at end
-And not be an PM.....

This is my First caster i will be taking to 20. So yeah.

Thanks

[skullzz]

Really what i want to accomplish is:

-Be a Warforged to self Heal
-Launch some Otto's dance
-Instakill or hit VERY HIGH!
-LAUNCH ELEMENTS!
-Have a Large Spell Pool
-Can Solo at end
-And not be an PM.....

This is my First caster i will be taking to 20. So yeah.

Thanks

1) Accomplished
2) Need quicken to make disco ball less a hassle to deal with the 8 second cast time (major interruption time)
3 and 4) you do not need AM evocation to do this. raising the DC does not increase the damage output you will be doing other than making stuff fail the saves. At this point there are plenty of no DC elemental spells that put out the same if not more damage than those with DC's
5) make sure you twist Endless Faith from Exalted Angel for 10% pool increase and echos going up to 30sp
6) any wizard that knows what they are doing can solo even if they are not WF or PM
7) Accomplished. WF PM's to me just do not make sense since you cannot repair while in undead form.

[Darkstar1996]

Can someone give me a solid WF AM build with Otto's? Cause it seems like i have ALOT missing.

Thank you

[skullzz]

Here is something like the build that I am currently doing.
There are somethings you can switch out if you want.

HP:
80 -wiz
50 - epic
225 - CON (28 -->9 mod)
20 - Heroic durability
27 - Toughness feat
20 - Toughness item
30- GFL
45- GS
30- enhancements
--------
527
25- Ship (+2 con)
25- Rage
---------
577

This is with easy to acquire items.

Spell Points
1205 - 20 wiz
580 - (51 int)
225- Wiz 9
150- Elemental spell power (gs)
130 - Mental Toughness
130- I Mental Toughness
200 - Epic Mental Toughness
20 - Twist from Fate singer
250 - Magister 5
110 - Enhancements
400 - Archmage (no SLA)
-------
3400
- 225 - SLA and Spell masteries
-------
3175
+10% - level 1 twist from Exalted Angel
-------
3492


Spell Pen: 47
Int: 51 (53 with ships and no yugo)
Base spell DC before any items or feats: 31 (10 + 20 (int) +9 (spell lvl) +2 (spell mastery item)
Enchantment: ~45
Necro: ~42


One note: Toughness, Insightful Reflex, and the 2 Spell Pens must be selected as normal feats and not Bonus from wizard.

Skills can be anything. I recommend Concentration, balance, swim, (10) Jump, (1) tumble, Search, UMD, Haggle, Diplo.

Spells are up in the air since you can buy most lvl 1-7 as scrolls. pick up what you can't buy at level ups.

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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(20 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 1618 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 13
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             10                    12
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         18                    20
Intelligence         18                    25
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Wizard)


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 4 (Wizard)


Level 5 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Wizard)


Level 8 (Wizard)


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Wizard)


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy

[squishwizzy]

Can someone give me a solid WF AM build with Otto's? Cause it seems like i have ALOT missing.

Thank you

I don't think you have a lot missing, just a few key components.

First, Ottos is an Enchantment spell. Keep that in mind.

If you go WF, you're basically trading self-healing for spell penetration (Elf), so a *solid* build to use Enchantment is kinda tossed out the window. Enchantment spells are mostly affected by spell resietence, and a lot of stuff at upper levels has spell resistance. So you either bare-knuckle your way past a mobs SR by taking enhancements and feats for spell pen, or - as someone else suggested - you drop Enchantment focus and move to Conjuration and use Web like it is going out of style. I kinda recommend that direction.

As for quicken and Ottos, you don't really need it if you time your casts correctly. There was a debate that I had with some others concerning the need for quicken (in my instance, a PM wizzy). The general consensus was that quicken was very attractive, but essential on Epic Elite. I generally run without it, perferring to time my casts accordingly, and use the metamagic that extends the life of the spell (Extend?). But if you are more comfortable with using quicken, go for it. I'd DEFINATELY take quicken over Eschew Materials. Eschew's only real advantage is for those who like to farm stuff (components take up some 9 - 10 slots in inventory, and can be heavy). I took it once, and will never take it again. There are other metamagics out there that are just WAY more advantageous to use.