Update 17....

[Lunavera0351]

For starters I have a problem with....

ll items ML24, BtC, upgradable twice via Attuned to Heroism. Items drop as 'Attuned to Heroism' on EN, 'Attuned to Heroism: Tier 1' on EH and 'Attuned to Heroism: Tier 2' on EE.

The last I checked here in Eberron we get a orginal item, then a shard seal and scroll to make it epic. Now in Eveningstar things work differently and we don't get things like epic tokens. In fact we have to grind out epic elite pick up comms from doing the raid over and over again just to make the most out of a good bit of the items out there. This already feels just the same..... Oh, just my opinion here but while you all are having fun throwing lore out the window, I would like epic tokens in eveningstar. At least then I could work on tr wile I am out there, along with helping with adding upgrade slots to NON NAMED gear. NAMED use to be something to be proud of.... now we have watered down lvl 25 gear with augments.... wile your at it just make sos the worst weapon in the game already. I bet if you did you might have a few more people adding you to there hate mail list.

Now things have slowly been changing ever sense eveningstar came around. It use to be that there were all diffrent kinds of epic gear, and at that they took some work to get. One wasn't really better then the other just each was better for different builds. Now, for starters quickly obtainable gear has been making older and much HARDER to obtain gear obsolete. And its just that obsolete, as the newer gear is BETTER, and there is enough of it to cover most builds. What bothers me the most is that if there is just that one old item that you need to get its so much harder to get then the newer items.

It seems like your done with the scroll, shard and seal.... thanks for the memo I didn't get..... The main thing that I would love to see for update 18.... go back through all the old epics, drop the scroll shard seal, make them drop in the quests, and do you comms system for all the raids then. At least that would make it easier to get some of this older gear that someone may need.

Wile most of this is just my opinion do note... I know I am not the only one who had bad luck getting that one shard or seal and it took months of grinding before getting it.

[Ryiah]

In fact we have to grind out epic elite pick up comms from doing the raid over and over again just to make the most out of a good bit of the items out there.

Well for starters, I find it amusing you complain about grinding and then show annoyance over gear being supposedly too easy to obtain.

It basically comes down to how Turbine views Epic. Originally Epic was a system, a bit like a raid in some ways, on top of the level system that allowed you to obtain more powerful gear for your capped character and offer a more challenging aspect to the game. Epic has since shifted to merely meaning level 20+. I can't fault Turbine for changing their minds here. The old Epic system in many ways was nothing more than a dead end.

[Crazy-Freddy]

Also wrong forum this belongs on the Lamannia Forum.

[Lunavera0351]

as stated this is just my opinion, it its more the annoyance that they have changed from the system completely then leaving it to rot. also, wile update 17 may not have hit yet this dosn't belong on any specific forum, read more then then the one line at the top plz.

[Slink]

Also wrong forum this belongs on the Lamannia Forum.

No, considering the changes OP is showing concern about (which I tend to agree with), I believe this is exactly the right place to put a thread of this nature.
Not to mention a recent sprouting of threads about (this build/that build) that clearly belong in the 'Classes' section of this forum but I digress.


To the OP.
Turbine loves Bait + Switch.
It's their easiest means of frustrating peoples addiction to the game.
"We'll just tweak (read as CHANGE) this here in the next *hotfix*....no no, don't put it in the release notes, they'll just TR/reroll anyways....haha!!"

They have decided that they really dislike the fact that no one has to actually buy True Hearts of Wood as TR is still a major infatuation for so many players.
They want 'their' money back.....PRONTO!

I believe they would like to increase the timer on TR to about 1 month and add TR timer bypasses to the DDO Store for the low cost of 595 TP.

By the way: Have fun in DDO!

[zobo]

It belongs in Lamma forums because those forums are limited to VIPs or Premium players, and details about the not yet released new behavior may be covered by a Non Disclosure Agreement.

[Slink]

It belongs in Lamma forums because those forums are limited to VIPs or Premium players, and details about the not yet released new behavior may be covered by a Non Disclosure Agreement.

/cry

THE DAY AFTER 'thenottobenamedplace' went live on lamaland, there were quite a few posts relating to the 'nottobenamedplace's' thingies that were going to make a few changes...

[Lunavera0351]

It belongs in Lamma forums because those forums are limited to VIPs or Premium players, and details about the not yet released new behavior may be covered by a Non Disclosure Agreement.

ok REALLY!?

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_17_named_items

then they really need to work on there wiki problem

They have already stated anything in my original post. So no for the LAST time I will comment on this, this dose not belong on another forum.

[Crazy-Freddy]

It belongs in Lamma forums because those forums are limited to VIPs or Premium players, and details about the not yet released new behavior may be covered by a Non Disclosure Agreement.

Really the Lamannia forums are open to all. But the mods will decide where this topic belongs.

[DrakHar]

For starters I have a problem with....
Making salient points without resorting to hyperbole, including saying eSoS is going to be the worst sword in the game.

Yup.

[Lunavera0351]

Yup.

for starters this is how you quote someone.... and 2nd no worries as it has happened in the past I am sure esos will always get updated.

[DrakHar]

for starters this is how you quote someone.... and 2nd no worries as it has happened in the past I am sure esos will always get updated.

Yes. I am well aware. I found a humorous way to sum up your tirade, and pair it with how you started out your quote.

I couldn't care less about esos. You are complaining about what, exactly? You posted a wall of text that had no salient points to it.

Newer is better? Or that newer isn't better? I really can't tell.

[Violith]

For starters I have a problem with....

ll items ML24, BtC, upgradable twice via Attuned to Heroism. Items drop as 'Attuned to Heroism' on EN, 'Attuned to Heroism: Tier 1' on EH and 'Attuned to Heroism: Tier 2' on EE.

The last I checked here in Eberron we get a orginal item, then a shard seal and scroll to make it epic. Now in Eveningstar things work differently and we don't get things like epic tokens. In fact we have to grind out epic elite pick up comms from doing the raid over and over again just to make the most out of a good bit of the items out there. This already feels just the same..... Oh, just my opinion here but while you all are having fun throwing lore out the window, I would like epic tokens in eveningstar. At least then I could work on tr wile I am out there, along with helping with adding upgrade slots to NON NAMED gear. NAMED use to be something to be proud of.... now we have watered down lvl 25 gear with augments.... wile your at it just make sos the worst weapon in the game already. I bet if you did you might have a few more people adding you to there hate mail list.

all raid loot is btc, thats not new, as for the upgrades. The way the new raid is going to be set is alot better then
citw was done, and hopefully they go back and change it there. Attuned to Heroism: Tier 2 is the top tier of those weapons, and being able to run an epic elite to get it while also allowing people who dont run those difficulties to get it with just abit more grind is nice. not only do you get a chance at an upgraded item for running a higher difficulty (thus costing you less comms to upgrade further), you also have more chances of gaining a comm to upgrade other loot. That mechanic alone will make this raid popular.

I can understand wanting epic tokens/frags in eveningstar, especially since some of the new augments will require them, but frankly they arent hard to comeby.

Although you completely lost be at upgrading non named gear, how exactly are you going to do that? With augments? thats already in play with the guild augments. That plus with the way they have it implemented you arent supposed to go out and buy all the augments you need as soon as it hits live. if that was the case they wouldn't have allowed them to have a drop rate.

named gear is still going to be the go-to for the majority of slots for just about everyone... frankly dont know anyone who doesnt use any named items.

Now things have slowly been changing ever sense eveningstar came around. It use to be that there were all diffrent kinds of epic gear, and at that they took some work to get. One wasn't really better then the other just each was better for different builds. Now, for starters quickly obtainable gear has been making older and much HARDER to obtain gear obsolete. And its just that obsolete, as the newer gear is BETTER, and there is enough of it to cover most builds. What bothers me the most is that if there is just that one old item that you need to get its so much harder to get then the newer items.

as for needing comms to upgrade the raid loot... thats a good thing, the base item is still viable to use, and actually for the most part is better then most other stuff you could ahve to having the ability to upgrade it further is nice.

and new = better doesnt seem that hard to understand,

It seems like your done with the scroll, shard and seal.... thanks for the memo I didn't get..... The main thing that I would love to see for update 18.... go back through all the old epics, drop the scroll shard seal, make them drop in the quests, and do you comms system for all the raids then. At least that would make it easier to get some of this older gear that someone may need.

the devs have been saying for awhile now that the old epic crafting needed a change, they didnt like how it was done and neither did about 99.9% of the players. so, if ya didnt get the memo you must not have been looking at the time. And no, they shouldnt go back to that system the old epic crafting system needed to go, frankly I hope that in the near future they get rid of it entirely and just allow the quests to drop the items, having to farm for seals, shards, and scrolls as well as get a base item was rather pointless imo

Wile most of this is just my opinion do note... I know I am not the only one who had bad luck getting that one shard or seal and it took months of grinding before getting it.

so... You said you had bad luck, yet still want them to go back to such a system? I really dont get it.

[Uska]

all raid loot is btc, thats not new, as for the upgrades. The way the new raid is going to be set is alot better then
citw was done, and hopefully they go back and change it there. Attuned to Heroism: Tier 2 is the top tier of those weapons, and being able to run an epic elite to get it while also allowing people who dont run those difficulties to get it with just abit more grind is nice. not only do you get a chance at an upgraded item for running a higher difficulty (thus costing you less comms to upgrade further), you also have more chances of gaining a comm to upgrade other loot. That mechanic alone will make this raid popular.

I can understand wanting epic tokens/frags in eveningstar, especially since some of the new augments will require them, but frankly they arent hard to comeby.

Although you completely lost be at upgrading non named gear, how exactly are you going to do that? With augments? thats already in play with the guild augments. That plus with the way they have it implemented you arent supposed to go out and buy all the augments you need as soon as it hits live. if that was the case they wouldn't have allowed them to have a drop rate.

named gear is still going to be the go-to for the majority of slots for just about everyone... frankly dont know anyone who doesnt use any named items.



as for needing comms to upgrade the raid loot... thats a good thing, the base item is still viable to use, and actually for the most part is better then most other stuff you could ahve to having the ability to upgrade it further is nice.

and new = better doesnt seem that hard to understand,


the devs have been saying for awhile now that the old epic crafting needed a change, they didnt like how it was done and neither did about 99.9% of the players. so, if ya didnt get the memo you must not have been looking at the time. And no, they shouldnt go back to that system the old epic crafting system needed to go, frankly I hope that in the near future they get rid of it entirely and just allow the quests to drop the items, having to farm for seals, shards, and scrolls as well as get a base item was rather pointless imo


so... You said you had bad luck, yet still want them to go back to such a system? I really dont get it.

Umm not all raid loot is bind to character( I think it should be) but dreamsplitter is bind to account it use to bind to character and there is other stuff to

[Robai]

Just gives us more BtC slots please!

[arkonas]

It belongs in Lamma forums because those forums are limited to VIPs or Premium players, and details about the not yet released new behavior may be covered by a Non Disclosure Agreement.

Wait isnt this under free discusssion forums then general. Yep that is only for premium/vip. Guess free really doesnt say anything huh. Actually the op has a pretty decent topic. There is nothing wrong with giving an opinion about an update for all to see.

[Indoran]

makes sense ... its a very epic piece of loot dude...

not much harm... slot consolidation if anything

[Violith]

Umm not all raid loot is bind to character( I think it should be) but dreamsplitter is bind to account it use to bind to character and there is other stuff to

hmm... pretty sure all raid loot is btc with the exception of dreamsplitter and items from Tempest Spine, The Twilight Forge (pre-raid, so not really raid loot) and, The Chronoscope. of course this isnt counting things such as scales.

and dreamsplitter does bind to character once it is upgraded (atleast with the suppressed power, not sure if upgrading it in the gianthold monument binds it or not)

[Dhalgren]

It belongs in Lamma forums because those forums are limited to VIPs or Premium players, and details about the not yet released new behavior may be covered by a Non Disclosure Agreement.

No, that was just during the MotU closed beta. You don't even have to log in to read the Lamannia forums.

[Flavilandile]

I think there's two things mixed in the OP :

- The fact that Epic Gianthold Items are going to be upgradable through the Commendations system.

- The fact that the slotting in the items will change.

To address the first point above, I'll point out that the devs stated that they weren't happy with the
Seal/Scroll/Shard/Token system and that they were going to Do Something About It.
It has also been seriously hinted that the Scroll/Seal/Shard/Token system was going to be left rotting in the current state it reached at the time of the MoTU release.

To address the second point above. The slotting is going to change. No more Guild Slots, just colored slots.
You will be able to slot augments. These augments can be bought or looted and they also can come as named augments. The Epic items from the Seal/Scroll/Shard/Token era came usually with colored slots. Nothing changed there, and you are still going to need Epic Tokens to slot an augment. Now, it has been stated that the Token system was something specific to Eberron and that it was not going to be introduced into Faerun. I have doubt it was stated that the Commendation system wasn't going to be put into Eberron... As since MoTU it was obvious that this system was the replacement for the Seal/Scroll/Shard/Token we all use in Eberron.