1750 favor tome

[TimethiefXVI]

Please change the Favor tome for achieving 1750 favor in an upgrade tome (x)->(x+1). Base value +2
Let the game check what tomes you have used. For each stat you will recieve either a +2 if none or +1 taken or an upgrade tome, pushing it one step further until the maximum is reached.

Im getting sad each life when i have to kill one of those.

I think it would be a good way to make the favor worth again, even for vets.
If you think it is too powerfull:
no tomes used: 24 lifes for all tomes to max
only +2 tomes used: 18 lifes to max.
It should be save to assume the avarage time is still about 10+ lifes
Should be worth smth.

[Jay203]

turn them into ebberon shards for crafting

[Vellrad]

turn them into ebberon shards for crafting

First, add something useful to craft

[CaptainSpacePony]

First, add something useful to craft

Agreed with the above. I think the OP's suggestion is OP for a mere 1750 favor. That might be all right at about double that.

[Ryan220]

something def needs to be done as Im fed up of not being able to use them too.


I dont craft as my game time is limited and Id rather spend that time questing, so changing the tome to crafting items is useless to me (and I suspect many others)

[TrinityTurtle]

This is still an important benchmark reward for new players/toons. I think it should be left alone, and for the record I am long since past it being useful to me either.

[EnjoyTheJourney]

This is still an important benchmark reward for new players/toons. I think it should be left alone, and for the record I am long since past it being useful to me either.

This.

I'm very much looking forward to my first tome; it will make a difference for my first character to reach that level of favor and it's a nice carrot to have in view.

Ask for something to be added or to be modified in a way that doesn't take perks away that many newer players are likely to appreciate.

[sireric]

How about just simply making it an unbound tome? That way you could at the very least sell it on the AH for a few bucks. I would be okay with that.

[FranOhmsford]

How about just simply making it an unbound tome? That way you could at the very least sell it on the AH for a few bucks. I would be okay with that.

Unbound? No!

BtA! Yes!

The current BtC is a joke!

P.S. I've found 3 or 4 Purified Ebs in Random Loot - I have a Crafter {70/70/73} But still haven't used any of these!

[Syllph]

P.S. I've found 3 or 4 Purified Ebs in Random Loot - I have a Crafter {70/70/73} But still haven't used any of these!

If you ever start crafting past the 100 level range you'll need these. At one point I had something like 200+ and i used most of them for just a few levels. They go quickly if your goal is leveling crafting.

[FranOhmsford]

If you ever start crafting past the 100 level range you'll need these. At one point I had something like 200+ and i used most of them for just a few levels. They go quickly if your goal is leveling crafting.

Excuse me BUT unless I'm going to be crafting for other players there's no way I'm going to ever need a Crafting Level that high is there?

I assumed 80-90 would be enough for me personally.

And really - If Purified Ebs are only of use for people who want to craft Unbound items then they really shouldn't be counted on these forums as a good reward {The vast majority of players will never use them!}.


You must get a lot of tomes btw if you had 200+ Purified Ebs!
Either that or they're far more common in random loot than other people in this thread are making out {and thus even less of a reward for the 1750 favour}!

[Andoris]

Excuse me BUT unless I'm going to be crafting for other players there's no way I'm going to ever need a Crafting Level that high is there?

I assumed 80-90 would be enough for me personally.

And really - If Purified Ebs are only of use for people who want to craft Unbound items then they really shouldn't be counted on these forums as a good reward {The vast majority of players will never use them!}.


You must get a lot of tomes btw if you had 200+ Purified Ebs!
Either that or they're far more common in random loot than other people in this thread are making out {and thus even less of a reward for the 1750 favour}!

+2 tomes are pretty common. As for the crafting levels, if you want to craft (bound) flex shards you are going to want crafting levels between 130-150

[Jay203]

I assumed 80-90 would be enough for me personally.

only if you don't plan on crafting Flexible shards or higher up shards that may be introduced later on

but mostly the flexible shards for now

[nibel]

IMO, they should change those favor benchmarks:

• 1000 Favor: Choice of +1 BtC tome, 5 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 5,000 renown token.
• 2000 Favor: Choice of a +1 to +2 BtC upgrade tome, 10 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 10,000 renown token.
• 3000 Favor: Choice of a +2 to +3 BtC upgrade tome, 15 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 15,000 renown token.
• 4000 Favor: Choice of a +3 to +4 BtC upgrade tome, 20 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 20,000 renown token.
• 5000 Favor (currently unachievable): Choice of a +4 to +5 BtC upgrade tome, 25 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 25,000 renown token.

This way, if your character can benefit from a tome, you can take it. If you don't benefit from a tome, you can either get more purified shards (that some people want) or guild renown.

[Gkar]

IMO, they should change those favor benchmarks:

• 1000 Favor: Choice of +1 BtC tome, 5 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 5,000 renown token.
• 2000 Favor: Choice of a +1 to +2 BtC upgrade tome, 10 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 10,000 renown token.
• 3000 Favor: Choice of a +2 to +3 BtC upgrade tome, 15 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 15,000 renown token.
• 4000 Favor: Choice of a +3 to +4 BtC upgrade tome, 20 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 20,000 renown token.
• 5000 Favor (currently unachievable): Choice of a +4 to +5 BtC upgrade tome, 25 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 25,000 renown token.

This way, if your character can benefit from a tome, you can take it. If you don't benefit from a tome, you can either get more purified shards (that some people want) or guild renown.

I think the entire favor system needs a relook. One of the devs a year or more back said they were looking at it but I guess it didn't go anywhere

I do think you are on to something though. I think your numbers for purified shareds and renown are a bit high, but conceptually I like the alternatives.

1750 should still be maintained as the 32 pt build mark.

[FranOhmsford]

I think the entire favor system needs a relook. One of the devs a year or more back said they were looking at it but I guess it didn't go anywhere

I do think you are on to something though. I think your numbers for purified shareds and renown are a bit high, but conceptually I like the alternatives.

1750 should still be maintained as the 32 pt build mark.

Yes - Removing the 1750 target is wrong!

The Renown however - I'd suggest it's too low personally

1000 Favour is hardly a day's work after all
2000 is not required to hit 20 and TR
None of my characters have hit 3000 as yet {The closest is at about 2900}.

I'd suggest:

1750 favour - 25000 Renown Token, +2 BtA Tome of your Choice, 1000 Random Greater Essences.
2500 Favour - 50000 Renown Token, +3 BtA Tome of your Choice, 2000 Random Greater Essences.
3300 Favour - 75000 Renown Token, +4 BtC Tome of your Choice, 4000 Random Greater Essences.

Purified Dragonshards are only useful to a few Heavy Crafters - Greater Essences are Useful to Everyone!
The +4 Tome doesn't need to be BtA - Anyone with a full set of +4s has already won the game!

And as for the Renown - If possible this should be exempt from Decay totally! - Anyone who's earned that much favour for a guild isn't likely to be going anywhere BUT if they disappear for any reason....
Also griefing is possible {although going through all that work just to grief someone - Well what can I say?}

[nibel]

I'd suggest:

1750 favour - 25000 Renown Token, +2 BtA Tome of your Choice, 1000 Random Greater Essences.
2500 Favour - 50000 Renown Token, +3 BtA Tome of your Choice, 2000 Random Greater Essences.
3300 Favour - 75000 Renown Token, +4 BtC Tome of your Choice, 4000 Random Greater Essences.

Your favor marks are very close to my original suggestion on this matter. Then someone pointed to me that those values are too easy to achieve for a +3/+4 tome.

Putting the tomes at each 1k marks makes tracking easier, and if you are in a TR train, you still need to make some effort to reach those favor marks (by running more quests instead of farming the same 50 ones).

I wouldn't change the 1750 mark for 32-pts builds, or the 2500 mark for FvS.

I also don't like the idea of giving grater essences, since you could just sell those on the AH. It would inflate the market very fast. Keeping the purified shards is a bonus because they are one of the hardest ingredients for you to get. You need to sacrifice eberron shards (very rare collectables), or tomes for them. Again, if you don't use them, get the tome or the renown.

[FranOhmsford]

Your favor marks are very close to my original suggestion on this matter. Then someone pointed to me that those values are too easy to achieve for a +3/+4 tome.

Putting the tomes at each 1k marks makes tracking easier, and if you are in a TR train, you still need to make some effort to reach those favor marks (by running more quests instead of farming the same 50 ones).

I wouldn't change the 1750 mark for 32-pts builds, or the 2500 mark for FvS.

I also don't like the idea of giving grater essences, since you could just sell those on the AH. It would inflate the market very fast. Keeping the purified shards is a bonus because they are one of the hardest ingredients for you to get. You need to sacrifice eberron shards (very rare collectables), or tomes for them. Again, if you don't use them, get the tome or the renown.

I've broken down exactly one BtC tome {that the character I had it on couldn't use it} - I have 3 or 4 Purified Ebs!
The rest were all Random Drops!

Purified Ebs are used in One {that I know of} Recipe! - Holy Burst - Most Players won't reach the crafting Level to even be able to make use of this!
And of those who do get this far - Chances are 2 Purified Ebs is all they'll ever need!

Greater Essences are pretty well set for Price - We all know their worth - Having a few more available thanks to a favour reward where most people will be picking something else off the list isn't going to make much of a difference in my view.
Lesser Essences now...AH prices for those are already beyond ridiculous most of the time!

1000 Favour requires no effort whatsoever for a TR - You can pass this at Lvl 8-9 while running a Bravery Streak!
Still - It's not going to get done in a day by the majority of players {not in a week}.

I didn't say anything about losing 32 pt build or FavSoul - These would still be at those points - Just as they are now!


When I first started playing DDO the people {gamers from the local club} who introduced me to it advised me to Buy a Supreme Tome - I did - for my first two characters!
I was also advised of course to buy 32pt Build and FavSoul!
Those characters can NEVER benefit from earning 1750 favour!
The current BtC stinks to high heaven! It's wrong to punish those of us who used the DDOStore! - Before Tomes remained through TRs there was a reason to collect these Tomes - Now there isn't!

[psykopeta]

IMO, they should change those favor benchmarks:

• 1000 Favor: Choice of +1 BtC tome, 5 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 5,000 renown token.
• 2000 Favor: Choice of a +1 to +2 BtC upgrade tome, 10 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 10,000 renown token.
• 3000 Favor: Choice of a +2 to +3 BtC upgrade tome, 15 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 15,000 renown token.
• 4000 Favor: Choice of a +3 to +4 BtC upgrade tome, 20 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 20,000 renown token.
• 5000 Favor (currently unachievable): Choice of a +4 to +5 BtC upgrade tome, 25 Purified Eberron Dragonshards, or a 25,000 renown token.

This way, if your character can benefit from a tome, you can take it. If you don't benefit from a tome, you can either get more purified shards (that some people want) or guild renown.

i agree with being btc the reward (u get some server wide rewards, like champion and fvs)
i agree with adding more options to favor rewards(+2 tomes left being useful long ago, in fact were cheaper in the ah when the drop % was lower rofl), basically all my toons have +2 tomes, they're mules, they don't need it, but ain't gonna sell a +2 tome in the ah for seing later the same tome at inflated price; idc if it drops under the rocks, if someone wants to make money, at least let him/her drop it and do what he/she wants

so i have the +2 tome being useless since 3-4th life in my main, and a while ago in my mules, +1, +2 and +1 to +2 drop way too easy, didn't know about the eberron shards, but in fact idc, it's cannith, actually the worst crafting tool, and that shards only are useful to lvl up, cause the recipes are useless


but i'm terrible sorry, can't agree with adding 4 and 5 tomes to favor rewards, they have to drop, or be bought, if not turbine would be kinda ******** lol

addind +3 as reward? ok, but more than 3k pls, i get 3k favor every life, cause i prefer variety instead farming, sometimes i stay at 2,8 or 2,9k because skipped some quests at lower lvls(and no, not gonna run em for favor, ty) and some ppl tr with the "Single run style" that's more than 4k/life

so that's what i tried to say, hope someone understood me XD

[Musouka]

I cannot agree to BtA tomes for a character's personal favor. Lore-wise it just does not make any sense. It is favor that specific character earned, therefor if you want the tome on another character, then that character must earn the favor.