The gauntlet thrown against undead

[Korgon78]

Ok so recently I was debating with a guildy of mine the use of having a couple good undead beaters in your golf bag and remembering how to effectively and quickly killing them. He is 100% against running undead heavy quest were I could run any quest with my toons even if I'm not great at certain enemies. So he and I made a challenge to each other. He said he could get his second life tr capped when he is ready to tr without going into any quest with even a single undead! And I said I can tr my alt second life tr with only running quest with atleast one undead in them! So we are still dividing quest to make sure we don't forget any quest. Like I forgot tempest spine has undead in it. Credit only lie four but still that counts as my quest. Now I think he got the easier of the deal I am still up to the challenge.


So my question.

What class to play? It was stipulated that we could not make a cleric,favored soul, sorcerer,wizard, druid, or arti. To make a actual challenge by taking away the caster build types. Bard is ok for either of us seeing as they have no real nuke spells.

So my thoughts were

1. Halfling-paladin12/monk6/ranger 2 HOD kinda build
2. .....

Well that's it.

Thoughts?

[Enoach]

Thoughts...

By no undead in the quest at all, is that only required or will that include optional areas?

Example Quests Like Sacrifices (Korthos) have a single Undead or Like Mining for Ancient Secrets (Island of Dreams) have undead in them that can be 100% avoided. How about if you have to pass through a Slayer area with Undead in it to get to the quest? (Cerillian Hills, Searing Heights, Sorrowdusk...)

Sorry, but I'm just curious as to what quests you'all will be limiting yourself too.

If you want a Fair assessment between both making the only difference Style of Player and Undead Avoidance, I would say your two builds should be similar.

However, The 12 Ftr/6 Paladin / 2 Monk is also an option - Kensei II/HoTD I with movement boosts for going fast.

[Korgon78]

1 undead in a quest counts as my quest. Even just one. Even if they can be avoided. Slayer areas traveling thru doesn't count. Example: I would need to run thru to madstone. That would be aloud but I could not farm out or even go for slayers in gianhold. If party member kills something along the way then that's doesn't count against me.orchard will be a most for a challenging lvl process like this. And this is just for fun not money just two guildies setting a challenge to the other.

[FranOhmsford]

1. How are you going to run Sacrifices, Necro's Doom or Misery's Peak when you can't flag for Korthos Wilderness at all?
Cannith Crystal and Collab have Zero Undead!

2. Only Wiz King of the ADQ Flagging quests has Undead in it.

3. Crucible is the only GH flag with NO Undead!

4. No Shroud, VoD or HoX!

5. Many quest chains have quests with Undead in them BUT also have quests without:
STK
Sorrowdusk
Sentinels
Are you going to count the entire chain as one quest?

6. IQ/Dreaming Dark {Those things don't count as Undead do they?} and Reaver's Refuge Questlines {Only Monastery has Undead} seem to be worthless to you - I don't know Amrath well but don't remember too many Undead - Servants & Spinner of Shadows are Undead Free, Vale has Undead in ONE Quest! {Rainbow has a couple of Shadows}.
What are you gonna do once you've farmed out Orchard - Reaver's Refuge Slayers?

[Korgon78]

That's the challenge. Both of us are VIPs and both of us are tr's so korthos story line is a skip for both of us really and yes there are going to be few to no raids either of us are going to be able to flag for. I have full confidence with a greater tome of learning and a few zo boost pots I will reach lvl 16 with few to no problems.after that yes my side of the challenge gets alot harder. We're his gets easier. Haven't looked at all quest yet but we will be. We're just in the planning stage right now. But each of us will still have quest at mid lvl to farm. Actually now that I think of other will get both tears of dakan and the Von series up till the raid that is. It's still being worked out. And it wouldn't be a challenge if it was easy. Will there be lvls I wish I had not started this contest, of course but s true gamer sees it to the end.

[Korgon78]

I and one more things servants is not undead free. End fight.

[TrinityTurtle]

1. How are you going to run Sacrifices, Necro's Doom or Misery's Peak when you can't flag for Korthos Wilderness at all?
Cannith Crystal and Collab have Zero Undead!

2. Only Wiz King of the ADQ Flagging quests has Undead in it.

6. IQ/Dreaming Dark {Those things don't count as Undead do they?} and Reaver's Refuge Questlines {Only Monastery has Undead} seem to be worthless to you - I don't know Amrath well but don't remember too many Undead - Servants & Spinner of Shadows are Undead Free, Vale has Undead in ONE Quest! {Rainbow has a couple of Shadows}.
What are you gonna do once you've farmed out Orchard - Reaver's Refuge Slayers?

1) Good point, they'll have to do cerulean hills instead of anything in Korthos since htey won't actually be able to go outside, at least the dude who can't do undead at all.

2) The preraid also has undead. Which is probably a minor point since neither of them can quality for it.

6) there are definitely undead in the Jeet's dream quest (skeleton in the closet) and the one dd quest, there's a lich or something with some skellies in an undead area. and in the dd mining one there is a section with a giant skelly too. And wraiths are undead, so that means Titan is out too.

I think maybe amrath is safe for the guy with no undead? Maybe?

[Enoach]

It appears that they won't be able to complete chain quests or even in some cases unlock chains.

Undead leveler will have the entire Necropolis quests 21 quests ranging from base level 5 to Base Level 15 as well as the Deleria's Graveyard and almost every House J quest.

While the Non-Undead leveler will have the entire House P Quest series with small problem/partycrashers etc.

hmmm, I hope you post which quest goes to whom. It would be interesting to see in the end how many quests you both are blocked from simply because a required quest to unlock prevents you access. This could also be a good double check on if quests in fact have undead in them, even optional/totally avoidable.

[Korgon78]

Thank you so much for the interest already. Yes we will be documenting this to make sure we have are quest correct. And this will not be a short project. Even as I think off more of the quest I see that my guildy will get the lords march chain as well. It will be interesting as we get this more finalized and organized. And hammer out some of those fine lines.

If I may though ask once again what u would suggest for a build geared towards undead atleast one per quest.
If it helps this shelved toon is a bard that I had awhile ago and will first search out gear I won't be able to get next life with him because of the undead recruitments. With th guide lines posted is there any suggestions to help me get this challenge don't faster.lol challenges. I did not even take those into consideration yet either.

As u can see alot if work still needs to be done.

[Pape_27]

1)
I think maybe amrath is safe for the guy with no undead? Maybe?

Sins of Attrition has a Cinderspawn, which is classified as undead.

[FranOhmsford]

1) Good point, they'll have to do cerulean hills instead of anything in Korthos since htey won't actually be able to go outside, at least the dude who can't do undead at all.

2) The preraid also has undead. Which is probably a minor point since neither of them can quality for it.

6) there are definitely undead in the Jeet's dream quest (skeleton in the closet) and the one dd quest, there's a lich or something with some skellies in an undead area. and in the dd mining one there is a section with a giant skelly too. And wraiths are undead, so that means Titan is out too.

I think maybe amrath is safe for the guy with no undead? Maybe?

1. Cerulean Hills doesn't have any undead in it! - Great for the one guy but useless for the other!
Neither of them can qualify for Korthos Wilderness - Heyton's Crypt is also required and is full of Undead!

2. Yes I realised this - I'll accept the Minor Point!

6. Forgot the Skelly in the Closet - Still no Mindsunder though as the other Flagging quests are Undead free. {and the other guy can't run Jeets!
The IQ Wraith creatures aren't Undead I believe!

DD is easier - The Mining One isn't required to flag - The Solo Quest is available instead!

[Korgon78]

In the spirit of good sportsman ship we just got done organizing a couple while we were running our mains together.

Undead quest

Lvl1
Storehouse's secret
Heytons rest

Lvl 2
Garison's missing pack
Recovery the lost tome
The sunken sewer
Missing in action

Lvl3
Catacombs quest chain

No undead
Lvl1
Cannith crystal

Lvl2
Arachnophobia
Bring the light
Durks got a secret
Haverdasher
Info is key
Baudry chain
Stealthy repo
Kolbolds new ringleader
The millers debt
Smugglers warehouse
Walk the butchers path

Lvl 3
An explosive situation
Tangleroot first couple of chain
Home sweet sewer
Kolbold assault
Redfanged unruled
Captives
First of water works
The sacred helm
The swiped signet
Were is the smoke

Blocked
Lvl 1
Korthos sunny side

Lvl 2
Misery peak

Lvl 3
Second part of water works on

Help make any corrections we may have missed please.

[Pape_27]

Missing in action has zombies

[Korgon78]

Thank you. Corrected now

[Pape_27]

Level 3 quests with undead:

The Seal of Shan-to-Kor -The Cloven Jaw Scourge: Blockade

(the 2nd part The Cloven Jaw Scourge: The Caverns of Shaagh is level 4 and has no undead in it.)