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[Schwarzie]

And thats not counting the spell penetration, death ward casting mobs, mobs inmune to wail and area of effect.

And that a casters needs to take PREs, Feats and Items to attain a high DC, not just levels...

[Dolphious]

On steroids (Abishia cookies, etc . . .) I've done the high road quests with a 57 necro DC on a wizard. It hardly clears rooms.

I'm thinking a Blitzing monk would be more useful 9 times out of 10.

Even with the crazy high DC blitz was generally better if you could actually build it up and sustain it. The problem with blitz is that's not always practical. Any zoning kills blitz, cut scenes or running for significant periods often bug it out so the counter stops going up, and if there are other fast-killing toons in your group it can be a bit hit-or-miss getting the first few kills so it doesn't fizzle right away.

And without blitz dreadnought isn't all that amazing either (especially if you use handwraps). IMO not counting the epic moments fury is easily the best melee destiny.

[EllisDee37]

LD has the same problem as bards: adding one to your party is great, but adding a second is much less of an improvement.

[Deamus]

I have started a thread asking improvement on other dcs here :

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=405077

[Andoris]

There's technically a big difference between your Necromancer and a GoF using EiN. EiN is a Will save, whilst yours is a Fortitude save. Very few enemies have that high a save for Will, but nearly everything has a high or decent Fortitude save.

J1NG

Actually wasn't aware of that. If it is a will save then it is not too bad. Still likely to swap out of GMoF for my Rogue that only has a 40 wisdom, but I see it is viable for Monks that have more reasons to max out wisdom.

[oweieie]

Actually wasn't aware of that. If it is a will save then it is not too bad. Still likely to swap out of GMoF for my Rogue that only has a 40 wisdom, but I see it is viable for Monks that have more reasons to max out wisdom.

I think you're seriously underestimating will saves on epic mobs. It's not as high as fort but it isn't far behind. For whatever reason reflex is by far the lowest save on the majority of mobs.

And 40 wisdom is higher than the vast majority of monks. Going higher than that means you're probably seriously crippling your monk.

[K_0tiC]

Lol. Are u serious? 54 sure - on divine or clonk...
But I dont know any monk with 50+ wisdom.
Probably 80% of monks are 35-40 wisdom. 40-44 buffed.
We also need con and dex and str :P Not only wis + con like divines do.
Taking 6 points of wisdom in destiny on melee monk is also - idiotic thing to do :P

Im not gonna rage cause I was planning to TR into rogue before that change but... monks with wisdom lower than 50 are now better taking other destiny.
And well... having 50 wis, at least 30 con to have good hp, some dex (20+) for reflex saves and str good to hit (30+ at least) is not that easy :P.

I play for 2 years now and I never got any +4 tome(plenty of +3s tho) to drop and I cant get my alchemical wraps to tier 2 even tho I ran LoB around 25-30 times now :P.

So basically with 40-42 wisdom DC would be hm:
45+8=53.
53 is practically useless in EE :P. Lets be honest. 57+ is a deal.

Missing insighful str 2 So should be 39 normally. Everything into wisdom 18start 4tome 6 level ups no epic feats 6destiny rest from gear 2 from twisting acute instincts. Self buffs saves are in the working fine range with dumped dex (13 start) Can drop off litany for prowess trinket and antipodes for +4 hit/dmg and the 15prr when wanting to take a beating and not so dc worried. Run around in water to build ki fight in earth EIN in water (unless trying not to steal agro in a raid) but still manage to pull in water sometimes lol.

Self buffed no alchemical wisdom 2 refined water just doesnt want to drop for me after 21 runs this life still chasing it. EE Detour mobs for a basic show that to hit and dps are not a issue with lower strength.

Earth stance



Earth stance dps



Water stance



Water stance dps



Ein on EE mobs of the current live highest CR's


Whats possible if you want to try could get to 103 stars aligned but this is a good enough example.



I will get on lam later and do the same kind of test with the same monk and see how it goes.

[K_0tiC]

I think you're seriously underestimating will saves on epic mobs. It's not as high as fort but it isn't far behind. For whatever reason reflex is by far the lowest save on the majority of mobs.

And 40 wisdom is higher than the vast majority of monks. Going higher than that means you're probably seriously crippling your monk.

No raising strength is whats crippling your monk. A horc with max str mid 30s-35wisdom wont be stunning anything on EE u17 with cr in the 49-59 range at the same time you will also have less amp and less dps then a helf with max wisdom rogue dilly and tier 3 or 4 human versatility damage hitting trash they stun 95% of the time. My crits in earth are 400+ with normal hits without ki strikes in the 150-250ish base range on something stunned. Show me a SS of a Horc in EE content stunning and doing more dps and ill eat my words.

[oweieie]

No raising strength is whats crippling your monk. A horc with max str mid 30s-35wisdom wont be stunning anything on EE u17 with cr in the 49-59 range at the same time you will also have less amp and less dps then a helf with max wisdom rogue dilly and tier 3 or 4 human versatility damage hitting trash they stun 95% of the time. My crits in earth are 400+ with normal hits without ki strikes in the 150-250ish base range on something stunned. Show me a SS of a Horc in EE content stunning and doing more dps and ill eat my words.

Horc with 40 wisdom has a stunning fist DC of 62 with items, GMoF and legendary tactics twist. That is with no past lives. You're dead wrong.

[K_0tiC]

Horc with 40 wisdom has a stunning fist DC of 62 with items, GMoF and legendary tactics twist. That is with no past lives. You're dead wrong.

I have a 42wisdom 12/7/1 monk as well and in Epic GH content I was failing alot of stuns even after improved sundering on trash so I think you havent even tried it before commenting. Thats with 5cm belt 10wraps gmof maxed and tatics twisted 1x pl fighter.

[oweieie]

I have a 42wisdom 12/7/1 monk as well and in Epic GH content I was failing alot of stuns even after improved sundering on trash so I think you havent even tried it before commenting. Thats with 5cm belt 10wraps gmof maxed and tatics twisted 1x pl fighter.

Well if 63 DC with -5 debuff on is failing from a multi-hitting monk then pale masters are well and truely ****ed because they can't even break 60 for more than 20 seconds in 4 minutes.

And since will saves seem to be following fort fairly closely, any sort of arcane CC other than web is pretty much out the window as well. Also the nerf to EiN will mean it will never land for anyone but people that have gimped out their monks, or divines who only have 2 stats to care about instead of 4 and the main one being wisdom anyway.

[K_0tiC]

Well if 63 DC with -5 debuff on is failing from a multi-hitting monk then pale masters are well and truely ****ed because they can't even break 60 for more than 20 seconds in 4 minutes.

And since will saves seem to be following fort fairly closely, any sort of arcane CC other than web is pretty much out the window as well. Also the nerf to EiN will mean it will never land for anyone but people that have gimped out their monks, or divines who only have 2 stats to care about instead of 4 and the main one being wisdom anyway.

Yes my PM with 57 necro dc 51 dc everything else failed a lot of instant kills and CC in EE madstone. I would energy drain 2x and still about 50% of the trash would save. The lower cr trash like 49ish doesnt matter but the 50+ has some stupid high saves im guessing 50-55+dice.

[oweieie]

The lower cr trash like 49ish doesnt matter but the 50+ has some stupid high saves im guessing 50-55+dice.

If it's 55 a 63 DC would still have about a 60% chance to stun as the mob usually has to pass 2 saves as both hands trigger and double strikes also trigger.

If you're sundering first like you say that 55 becomes a 50 and a 63 has about an 85% chance to stun. Fists of darkness can lower saves by another 2 if you somehow have the time to get off two strikes before stun. But if you're frequently failing with a 64 DC even after sundering then their fort saves are well over 55.

[Drona]

Yes my PM with 57 necro dc 51 dc everything else failed a lot of instant kills and CC in EE madstone. I would energy drain 2x and still about 50% of the trash would save. The lower cr trash like 49ish doesnt matter but the 50+ has some stupid high saves im guessing 50-55+dice.

This is wonderful news. Maybe my PM should be a haste-bot and pike at the entrance. Not only we get a crappy ED to start with, no epic spells and now this.

Suggestions:

1) Make Arcane Surge a "toggle"

2) [Spell School] Augmentation: Passive Bonus: Chosen school spells have [5/10/15]% chance to reduce target <save depending on school> by 10 for [10/20/30] seconds

---Make it 25/50/75% so that we can take this to 3 levels and works when we actually need it..


Also give us an epic moment worthy of being epic.

[Kaisoni]

Also give us an epic moment worthy of being epic.

Server is Nothing.
Active Ability: (Cooldown 30 min, 500 spell points) "Memory Leak" counter (shown in buff bar) increments each time you use a spell. When Memory Leak counter reaches 50, gain the ability to use Server is Nothing (its counter shows a "1" in the ability icon if placed on toolbar). On activation, the game server must make a saving throw (DC 10 + character level + casting ability mod) or crash, effectively erasing all monsters and players from the multiverse. If it succeeds at the saving throw it lags for 6 seconds and then breaks the physics engine a bit more. On weekends there is no save.

I've been reading the forums for too long today, and I'm far too tired and bored.

[SealedInSong]

Whats possible if you want to try could get to 103 stars aligned but this is a good enough example.

What's the breakdown here for 90, and the breakdown for stars-aligned?

[SealedInSong]

EiN will continue to be one of if not the best epic moment, but I have to agree with the sentiment that the other epic moments should be revisited.

The Sentinel one is terrible to charge up, and I mean truly a tactical implausibility in most quests except when you're standing in front of an hp-inflated boss for more than five minutes. I can't even charge it up in EE Velah--she dies too quickly.

Magister's epic moment I've experimented on with four characters and *always* abandoned. Etc etc etc

[K_0tiC]

What's the breakdown here for 90, and the breakdown for stars-aligned?

18base
6levels
4tome
4enhancements
4stance
2 ship
8item
1exceptional
3insightful
6GMOF
3twisted
10tea with queen
4abishi cookies
6fury made placid
3alchemical pot
2bard song
2store pot
2yugo pot
2capstone
90


+4 tea with queen 2nd cast with lower diplo
+2feats
+2 druid reincarnate (Myconid Incarnate: +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma, -2 Dexterity, -2 Intelligence or Yuan-ti Incarnate: +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, -2 Strength, -2 Constitution)
+2 completionist
+2 Spirit boon
+5tome
103

[EllisDee37]

6GMOF
10tea with queen
6fury made placid

Don't all three of these require having all three destinies active? Also, you listed "3 twist" so I'm assuming your twists are all taken by twisting in wisdom.

[oweieie]

Don't all three of these require having all three destinies active? Also, you listed "3 twist" so I'm assuming your twists are all taken by twisting in wisdom.

You can have 3 destinies active. Currently. Fight club.