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[Persiflage]

I think this is a good idea.

Witness how seldom Cursed Crypt is run because it has one of the most polarizing quests in the game (Tomb of the Tormented) as a prerequisite.

Crucible, Tomb of the Tormented, The Pit and the like require a certain mood for me to enjoy them.

Absolutely. What he said.

If they were taking Crucible away or even just taking away those elements which make it "unique" (ahem) then I'd man the barricades with the rest of you, even though I hate it like poison. I am, instead, just really pleased that it's no longer a prerequisite for what is still pretty much a must-have raid and I can't see this harming anything about the game, so... great. Those who want to can still run the quest and display their gaming credentials. I'll still join my guildies and help out when someone wants to run it for XP and favour; I just won't need to wait until someone else wants to do it before I can flag for Tor.

[TrinityTurtle]

Tomb of the tormented needs a pass. It's a horrible quest design. And I'm not talking that it's hard, becuase it's not, or that it's different, the reason I say it's horrible design is that you basically have a party standing around forever doing a lot of nothing. Maybe turning it into an escort quest with the rat or something, anything for the party to do.

[orakio]

I just want to point out that it isn't just a storyline thing, I am 99% sure the new raid requires a seperate flagging run as the "return to X quests" are entirely different quests than their heroic equivalent. I.e. flagging for heroic reaver's fate is not the same thing as flagging for the new epic raid "Fall of Truth".

Hard to tell as the raid was locked until it gets unlocked tonight, so we will see then.

[Jay203]

does that mean we're removing Holding for Reinforcement from being a prereq to flag for threnal south?

we have way more hatred for that one quest than any other quest in the game