Yellow slots are pretty bad while blue got too good

[FestusHood]

Take a look at the resistance +4 augment in the new system. Useful or not, use it as an apples to apples comparison. Its being removed as a potential yellow slot filler and turned into a potential blue slot filler. Resistances 5,6, and 7 subsequently appear as slot fillers for higher and higher level characters - yet the slot remains blue where it otherwise could have been yellow with the same attribute progression.

As far as resists are concerned, nobody ever said to remove them. If you like them, by all means slot them. My concern is with regard to these abilities being the ONLY ones available in that list, and to me they suck.

Again, whether yellow is better or worse isn't up to opinion - its obviously worse.

Whether the existing augments are crappy or not IS up to opinion, and my opinion is that they are pretty bad. Therefore, I advocate for the addition of more useful ones in addition to these, including the reversion of false life, so that we can both benefit from this system. I'm not advocating for their removal, in fact I think that resists should be colorless upgrades instead, they are a fairly trivial buff to obtain in my opinion.

This system has absolutely nothing, zilch, nada to do with casual vs "elitist" gamers. This is a system that all of us are being forced into.

Protection and resistance just seem to me to be things that are already primary attributes on a lot of named items. If not on a named item, i consider saves resist to be worthy of taking up an item slot to get higher than plus 4.

I agree that for the most part, the existing yellow slot effects are pretty crappy. Funny thing is, it's the low values of resist and protect that make me think those particular augments are unusable. So to me, losing those is a non factor. Blindness immunity and Fear immunity, and possibly wizardry 6 are actually the most usable current augments to my mind, along with greater false life.

I'm mostly excited that these slots will be able to be used prior to level 20 since most of my toons are not level 20,
and those that are soon won't be.

As far as elemental resists being a fairly trivial buff to get, they are, except when they aren't. Most of my toons are in guilds which don't have 30 resist shrines. I join guilds because i like the people in them, not because of what they can give me. Some of my toons can cast the spells, some can't. Some can umd the wands, some can't.

Having the saves resists go to higher values now, i can see how you would say it would be nice if they had remained in yellow slots. But not being as good as it might have been doesn't necessarily mean it is worse than the current system, since it doesn't go that high. That's how i see it.

[FestusHood]

I generally umd GH scrolls for that.

See my post at # 54 for my thoughts about that.

[Matuse]

Striding? Get some haste clickies

This just made me laugh and laugh and laugh. "Get some haste clickies"...because 30 second haste off a clickie is so uber useful.

Archmagi? Who cares - use 250 sp from conflux set or wizardry 10 off shadowmail when you zone in

Adore the assumption that everyone has the ability to get the conflux bonus. 375 PDK favor just falls from the sky like rain, yes?

Don't like an ability? DON'T USE IT! I missed the part where you were compelled to fill yellow slots with things you don't like.

I can get MUCH more creative with what kind of things to put into yellow than this crappy system.

So, because there are things you want more, the things you don't want shouldn't exist. Gotcha. The game revolves around you.

So quick question. If you have an item with a yellow slot, will you simply refuse to put anything into it to protest this grave injustice?

[FestusHood]

Then what is problem?

I never said i did have a problem with it. It's the one thing that i can actually see why it is inconvenient to move it from a yellow to a blue slot. Not necessarily because it affects me (stepping out of my narrow worldview for a second there)

[FestusHood]

This just made me laugh and laugh and laugh. "Get some haste clickies"...because 30 second haste off a clickie is so uber useful.



Adore the assumption that everyone has the ability to get the conflux bonus. 375 PDK favor just falls from the sky like rain, yes?

Don't like an ability? DON'T USE IT! I missed the part where you were compelled to fill yellow slots with things you don't like.



So, because there are things you want more, the things you don't want shouldn't exist. Gotcha. The game revolves around you.

So quick question. If you have an item with a yellow slot, will you simply refuse to put anything into it to protest this grave injustice?

Be careful, you are dangerously close to exhibiting a worldview.

[SableShadow]

stepping out of my narrow worldview for a second there

Be careful, you are dangerously close to exhibiting a worldview.

Sorry, I was trying to be nice.

"Chip on your shoulder" might be a tad more accurate.

[FestusHood]

Won't matter, man; even pointing out that it screws him over more than it does you or I doesn't phase him.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face ...

Sorry, i just now noticed this one. I admit i can be pretty dense sometimes. Explain to me again how this change in the system screws me over. Please be specific as you apparently know how my toons are geared.

[FestusHood]

Sorry, I was trying to be nice.

"Chip on your shoulder" might be a tad more accurate.

No need to be nice on my account, i'm a big boy.

[Cetus]

This just made me laugh and laugh and laugh. "Get some haste clickies"...because 30 second haste off a clickie is so uber useful.



Adore the assumption that everyone has the ability to get the conflux bonus. 375 PDK favor just falls from the sky like rain, yes?

Don't like an ability? DON'T USE IT! I missed the part where you were compelled to fill yellow slots with things you don't like.



So, because there are things you want more, the things you don't want shouldn't exist. Gotcha. The game revolves around you.

So quick question. If you have an item with a yellow slot, will you simply refuse to put anything into it to protest this grave injustice?

I provided my opinion. If you have a problem with it, then good - because my feedback isn't going to get incorporated anyway, so you're getting exactly what you want. Enjoy the new system.

And just to point out - Haste clickies are 1:30. Welcome to shroud and Echrono. =D

Seriously, it comes on a quiver if you are that adamant about striding 30. What are you going to say next? Not everybody knows or can do abbot?

I'm not looking to take away any of the augments, I'm simply calling the system massively incomplete.

[Cetus]

Sorry, i just now noticed this one. I admit i can be pretty dense sometimes. Explain to me again how this change in the system screws me over. Please be specific as you apparently know how my toons are geared.

You yourself don't even know how your toons are geared because as you have mentioned, your characters are still progressing to 20, let alone 25. As you equip higher ML gear, your entire setup is going to change 5 times over between now and then.

Us "elitists" actually have a static endgame gear setup; the construction of which you haven't experienced yet. A setup that required lots of planning and grinding, with painful incorporation of attributes such as greater false life, resistance, fortification, toughness, etc into the few slots we DO have. And now, they get moved, or in the case of toughness - removed.

Before epic gianthold was announced, I spent the last 2 weeks ransacking 5 characters in each of the epic desert quests to get spiked turban mats because it worked to consolidate charisma 6 / resistance 5 / and greater false life on a helm slot. The GFL would've went into the yellow slot, and the charisma into the colorless. Resistance was already present on the item. And now, the devs just "decide" to move GFL to a blue slot, essentially making even that item useless now, an item that, mind you, I spent a considerable amount of effort to make and still haven't found the seal for as I write this.

Of course, with gh announced - I won't care about that helm anymore particularly, but the point remains. Blue slots are much rarer than Yellow slots, therefore making the attributes that moved over there harder to incorporate. Yes, this includes YOUR gear setup.

[FestusHood]

You yourself don't even know how your toons are geared because as you have mentioned, your characters are still progressing to 20, let alone 25. As you equip higher ML gear, your entire setup is going to change 5 times over between now and then.

Us "elitists" actually have a static endgame gear setup; the construction of which you haven't experienced yet. A setup that required lots of planning and grinding, with painful incorporation of attributes such as greater false life, resistance, fortification, toughness, etc into the few slots we DO have. And now, they get moved, or in the case of toughness - removed.

Before epic gianthold was announced, I spent the last 2 weeks ransacking 5 characters in each of the epic desert quests to get spiked turban mats because it worked to consolidate charisma 6 / resistance 5 / and greater false life on a helm slot. The GFL would've went into the yellow slot, and the charisma into the colorless. Resistance was already present on the item. And now, the devs just "decide" to move GFL to a blue slot, essentially making even that item useless now, an item that, mind you, I spent a considerable amount of effort to make and still haven't found the seal for as I write this.

Of course, with gh announced - I won't care about that helm anymore particularly, but the point remains. Blue slots are much rarer than Yellow slots, therefore making the attributes that moved over there harder to incorporate. Yes, this includes YOUR gear setup.

Do you realize that you can legacy slot all the items you have now, and won't have to change them if you don't want to?

[Viisari]

Do you realize that you can legacy slot all the items you have now, and won't have to change them if you don't want to?

You mean that Spiked Turban that he doesn't even have at the moment? Getting a specific item from desert can be notoriously difficult.

Changing so many good augments for blue is a bit silly but I guess they're going to add something for them in the future since U18 already has planned named augments.

Adore the assumption that everyone has the ability to get the conflux bonus. 375 PDK favor just falls from the sky like rain, yes?

The favor is rather easy to get if you want it, Belly and Well are the most difficult ones and you can have on of them on EH or EN.

[Tid12]

And just to point out - Haste clickies are 1:30. Welcome to shroud and Echrono. =D

And Haste pots lasting 2:00 from Commendation Trader. Unbound. Can buy off the AH.

Seriously people, before talking at least know what you are talking about.

As Durnak said, do abbot if you want quiver.

You don't have favor for the 250 SP bonus from CitW set? Then good, here is an item for you: It's called Spidersilk robe. Will you argue that you will have 50 less SP now? Archmagi is meh at best, it should have been at least Wizardry IX.

GFL and Resistance should be back to Yellow slots.

[Matuse]

Seriously, it comes on a quiver if you are that adamant about striding 30. What are you going to say next? Not everybody knows or can do abbot?

I have an upped Abbot quiver on my main. But I'm also not going to pretend that this is something that anyone can EXPECT to have.

In 50ish Abbot runs, the one I have is the only one that has dropped (not just for me, for ANYONE in those runs, almost all done H or E) or appeared on 20th end lists. I still haven't seen a litany show up under anyone's name, ever.

The trend I've noticed in the "ZOMG YELLOW SUCKZORZ!" crowd is wild assumptions about gear and build layout. Like everyone walks around with 40 UMD (including at very low levels...oh yea, slots aren't just in epic items anymore!), has perfect PDK favor, gets uber-rare drops from seldomly run raids, an endless supply of rare wands, belongs to a level 85+ guild, etc, etc.

What I see is a huge amount of entitlement complex. "I don't personally find this effect useful, so the system sucks!". Usually followed by intimations that anyone who thinks any given yellow effect is desirable is a bad player. Very mature.

Can you find anyone who approves of having GFL/Resistance taken out of yellow?

Can you find anyone who has opposed adding effects like Healing Amp or Lores or Element Absorb, etc to yellow?

Because I haven't. Thinking that the current choices are useful is hardly the same thing as wanting nothing to change.

[Cetus]

I have an upped Abbot quiver on my main. But I'm also not going to pretend that this is something that anyone can EXPECT to have. Work = Reward. If you think striding 30 is THAT good, then you'll run your abbots.

In 50ish Abbot runs, the one I have is the only one that has dropped (not just for me, for ANYONE in those runs, almost all done H or E) or appeared on 20th end lists. I still haven't seen a litany show up under anyone's name, ever. And I got my litany on my 2nd run ever on my kensei. Luck swings both ways. Bottomline: I'm not asking for striding 30's removal, I'm just saying that it really isn't that important given its appearance on items elsewhere.

The trend I've noticed in the "ZOMG YELLOW SUCKZORZ!" crowd is wild assumptions about gear and build layout. Like everyone walks around with 40 UMD (including at very low levels...oh yea, slots aren't just in epic items anymore!), has perfect PDK favor, gets uber-rare drops from seldomly run raids, an endless supply of rare wands, belongs to a level 85+ guild, etc, etc. Assumptions? Look at all of the gear, most of them have yellow slots. Thats evidence for the statement that placing GFL in a yellow slot is much more accommodating than blue. How is this an assumption? LOOK at all the gear. Its all yellow.

Second, you don't need level 85 guild for your resists. In my experience, most people that are reasonably interested in improving their builds are at least in a level 60 guild for all of their resists.

Third, hey do you know what the statement "all yellow augments suck" is? An opinion. This is me typing, and to me all of these augments aren't worth a ****. So yes, they do ALL SUCK, as far as I'm concerned, because I am the one providing that opinion. They may be amazing to you.

What I see is a huge amount of entitlement complex. "I don't personally find this effect useful, so the system sucks!". Usually followed by intimations that anyone who thinks any given yellow effect is desirable is a bad player. Very mature.

Can you find anyone who approves of having GFL/Resistance taken out of yellow?No.

Can you find anyone who has opposed adding effects like Healing Amp or Lores or Element Absorb, etc to yellow? No.

Because I haven't. Thinking that the current choices are useful is hardly the same thing as wanting nothing to change So, in the end we both agree that the yellow slot system is incomplete. Ok, great. Instead of you going aroudn in circles about my opinion, lets hear your opinion about how you'd like to improve this yellow slotting system.

Red

[SealedInSong]

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Well, your wish list for yellow augments seems to be rather huge. Odds are you covered your schools of importance with +3s, like someone said before...and if you haven't, you should. Colorless augments will provide enough competition for the rest.

I mostly like the new augment system but mostly every comment regarding the weakness of yellow I find reasonable. Well-stated.

[WruntJunior]

The favor is rather easy to get if you want it, Belly and Well are the most difficult ones and you can have on of them on EH or EN.

My way of getting exactly 375 favor is actually all 3 chains EE, Web/Belly/Well EH, 5-star challenges - that gets you exactly 375 favor. >_>

The main 3 chains can be easily done on EE as long as you get a couple competent people and are competent yourself (hardest one being Reclaiming the Rift).

More on-topic-ish, I'm sad that yellow slots are kinda bad, but I'm super happy for yellow slot 30% striding.

[Viisari]

(hardest one being Reclaiming the Rift)

Cheese is good.

[FestusHood]

You mean that Spiked Turban that he doesn't even have at the moment? Getting a specific item from desert can be notoriously difficult.

This same argument can be used for the statement that's been put forward that striding is worthless, since everybody can just equip an Abbot quiver.

[LeLoric]

This has nothing to do with casual versus hardcore players. It's a simple math problem. Yellow comes on accessories and therefore will be more prevalent than blue slots. Blue has many more desirable effects than yellow.

Green accessory slots can help here somewhat but it still boils down to not enough good effects on yellow and too may on blue. Changing false life and resistance over to blue further amplifies this issue.