The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[Thayion516]

My 6th Life WF Jugg build. 16ART, 2 RNG, 2MNK. I don't have Bladeforge for some reason. I purchased the Expansion but the Bladeforge is not included and it wants me to puchase it instead. So Warforge instead.

Full 2 weapon fighting (with Nightmares)
Manyshot
High Self Healing capacity
Full Arty Spells (Weapon Enchantments, Protection spells, Tensers, Repair, Tact Detonation, ect..)
WF Immunities
Stunning Blow
Full Trapping skills
UMD
High HP/PPR

Epic Destinies??? No Idea! Fury with LD/Shadari twists? or LD with Fury/Shadari twists?

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thayion 
Level 28 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male
(2 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 16 Artificer \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 428
Spell Points: 1057 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             18                    29
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         16                    21
Intelligence         14                    19
Wisdom                6                    11
Charisma              6                    11

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               2                    24
Bluff                -2                     9
Concentration         3                    14
Diplomacy            -2                     9
Disable Device        6                    36
Haggle               -2                     9
Heal                 -2                     9
Hide                  2                    12
Intimidate           -2                     9
Jump                  6                    23
Listen               -2                     9
Move Silently         2                    12
Open Lock             6                    37
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                6                    36
Search                6                    36
Spellcraft            2                    15
Spot                 -2                     9
Swim                  4                    14
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device      2                    32

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Construct Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Scrolls
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Great Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Artificer Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Automatic) Revive Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Unleash Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Traits


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Air
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Fire
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Earth
Feat: (Automatic) The Way of Water
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 4 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Craft Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Potions
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Rune Arm Use


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Wands


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking


Level 9 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Repair (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Arms and Armor
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Retain Essence


Level 10 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge (ALL)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 13 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword 


Level 17 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Skill Mastery


Level 18 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell 


Level 19 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spellcraft (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Mithral Body


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical
Feat: (Automatic) Epic: Epic Skills


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Doubleshot

Another Question is what is the best way to Amp repairs? I want 6 -10 HPs a hit return off of Nightmare and a 500HP Reconstruct would be nice. I know the Repair Skill amps the Repair spell lines. What about Spellcraft? Ill need a 100+ Reconstruct item also i assume, prolly a Red Slot augment. WF has a racial +20% (Is there a +% Repair Amp item in game that stacks?).

Thanks Guys!

PS. Yes keep this thread going! There are many of us who still have not tried this very nice build yet and reference it often. Just because some of the better players have moved into a different build does not mean this build is gimp.

[Nodoze]

My 6th Life WF Jugg build. 16ART, 2 RNG, 2MNK. I don't have Bladeforge for some reason. I purchased the Expansion but the Bladeforge is not included and it wants me to puchase it instead. So Warforge instead.
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Another Question is what is the best way to Amp repairs? I want 6 -10 HPs a hit return off of Nightmare and a 500HP Reconstruct would be nice. I know the Repair Skill amps the Repair spell lines. What about Spellcraft? Ill need a 100+ Reconstruct item also i assume, prolly a Red Slot augment. WF has a racial +20% (Is there a +% Repair Amp item in game that stacks?).

Thanks Guys!

PS. Yes keep this thread going! There are many of us who still have not tried this very nice build yet and reference it often. Just because some of the better players have moved into a different build does not mean this build is gimp.

IIRC the only actual repair amp item that I have seen is the 10% repair amp trinket level 15 starter item that all BladeForged come with. With that much Artificer and getting Reconstruct as a spell the BladeForged SLA isn't a big consideration. Both races have repair and heal amp and IIRC for the same AP the Repair amp is only +10%+5%+5% while the Heal Amp is +10%+10%+10% and if PuGing or grouping a lot you may want to get some heal amp for free heals. A WF can get pretty much get to 0% Heal penalty and have an alternate set of Heal Amp gear and be ahead of most Fleshies in PuGs such that Clerics wont despise you if they try to heal/help you. Getting free heals means more mana for other stuff.

You probably already know all this but my thoughts on BF vs WF:
- WF start at Level 1 & can TR at 20 while BF start at 15 & TR at 28;
----quickest way to non-fleshy 36 point build to cap is WF, WF, BF on 3rd life;
- BF APs get reconstruct SLA (nothing comparable on the WF side but not a big deal on this build);
- BF APs get Power of the Forge (nothing comparable on the WF side);
- BF have 10% worse starting Heal Amp.
- BF have access to a 10% Repair amp trinket;
- BF start at -2 dex instead of -2 wisdom, which, if going with a centered monk build, can make it a bit more difficult as a BF to boost your stats enough to get both combat archery and zen archery (added based on feedback);

That is all I can think of off the top of my head. My memory isn't always that great so I suspect I am missing some other material differences but I hope it helps. I like both WF & BF but prefer BF personally these days.

[zwiebelring]

- BF APs get reconstruct SLA (nothing comparable on the WF side but not a big deal on this build);

It might be, though. I noticed that the SLA is not subject to interruption. As long as the animation is not interrupted by stuns, trips, entangles or the like, you can self heal while brawling. That opened up a feat (Quicken Spell) but is timing sensitive.

I don't see a big advantage for melee Artificer as BF. The synergies by the forge debuff on mobs together with a centered cleaver (possible no save -6 to saves on most mob types) begs for Stunning Blow, imho. Squeezing in Stunning Blow into the Juggernaut could be an improvement then, but it seems tight on feats.

p.s.: I don't have much experience regarding SLAs. maybe that no-interruption is a general SLA goodie, I don't know, but it is definately a boost for melee toons, even if you have to claculate the animation sequence into self healing.

[Nodoze]

It might be, though. I noticed that the SLA is not subject to interruption. As long as the animation is not interrupted by stuns, trips, entangles or the like, you can self heal while brawling. That opened up a feat (Quicken Spell) but is timing sensitive.

I don't see a big advantage for melee Artificer as BF. The synergies by the forge debuff on mobs together with a centered cleaver (possible no save -6 to saves on most mob types) begs for Stunning Blow, imho. Squeezing in Stunning Blow into the Juggernaut could be an improvement then, but it seems tight on feats.

p.s.: I don't have much experience regarding SLAs. maybe that no-interruption is a general SLA goodie, I don't know, but it is definately a boost for melee toons, even if you have to claculate the animation sequence into self healing.

Good points. I believe the SLA doesn't need concentration checks to get off successfully. I am not sure what else the build may use quicken for but maybe swapping quicken for stunning blow would work for some BF variants. IIRC the SLA is 25sp with a 6 sec CD while regular is 35sp(+10 when quickened) with a 5sec CD so you would save mana there. If a BF kept quicken the BF should be able to quicken the SLA for no extra mana to hopefully get faster casts (I haven't tested as my BFs don't have quicken).

[kendo]

IIRC the only actual repair amp item that I have seen is the 10% repair amp trinket level 15 starter item that all BladeForged come with. With that much Artificer and getting Reconstruct as a spell the BladeForged SLA isn't a big consideration. Both races have repair and heal amp and IIRC for the same AP the Repair amp is only +10%+5%+5% while the Heal Amp is +10%+10%+10% and if PuGing or grouping a lot you may want to get some heal amp for free heals. A WF can get pretty much get to 0% Heal penalty and have an alternate set of Heal Amp gear and be ahead of most Fleshies in PuGs such that Clerics wont despise you if they try to heal/help you. Getting free heals means more mana for other stuff.

You probably already know all this but my thoughts on BF vs WF:
- WF start at Level 1 & can TR at 20 while BF start at 15 & TR at 28;
----quickest way to non-fleshy 36 point build to cap is WF, WF, BF on 3rd life;
- BF APs get reconstruct SLA (nothing comparable on the WF side but not a big deal on this build);
- BF APs get Power of the Forge (nothing comparable on the WF side);
- BF have 10% worse starting Heal Amp.
- BF have access to a 10% Repair amp trinket;

That is all I can think of off the top of my head. My memory isn't always that great so I suspect I am missing some other material differences but I hope it helps. I like both WF & BF but prefer BF personally these days.

one other factor is that BF start at -2 dex instead of -2 wisdom. that can make it a bit more difficult with a BF to boost your stats enough to get both combat archery and zen archery, if going with a centered monk build.

[zwiebelring]

Good points. I believe the SLA doesn't need concentration checks to get off successfully. I am not sure what else the build may use quicken for but maybe swapping quicken for stunning blow would work for some BF variants. IIRC the SLA is 25sp with a 6 sec CD while regular is 35sp(+10 when quickened) with a 5sec CD so you would save mana there. If a BF kept quicken the BF should be able to quicken the SLA for no extra mana to hopefully get faster casts (I haven't tested as my BFs don't have quicken).

Well, you have around 1k sp. That is enough for the limitted spells you really need or use in combat. Quicken Spell is just for Reconstruct. It is a slot you can fill with Stunning Blow. So far I had no problems with self healing in ee quests. Finished MoTU chains1-3 on ee and it went very smooth (no full group, though, duoed it, me as Cetus BF melee and a Sireth Jugg... funfunfun ).

[DaggomaticDwarf]

Good points. I believe the SLA doesn't need concentration checks to get off successfully. I am not sure what else the build may use quicken for but maybe swapping quicken for stunning blow would work for some BF variants. IIRC the SLA is 25sp with a 6 sec CD while regular is 35sp(+10 when quickened) with a 5sec CD so you would save mana there. If a BF kept quicken the BF should be able to quicken the SLA for no extra mana to hopefully get faster casts (I haven't tested as my BFs don't have quicken).

BF SLA isn't subject to the extra cool down timer while Tenser'd either.

[Nodoze]

BF SLA isn't subject to the extra cool down timer while Tenser'd either.

You gents are all great coming up with good stuff!

[Noctus]

p.s.: I don't have much experience regarding SLAs. maybe that no-interruption is a general SLA goodie, I don't know, but it is definately a boost for melee toons, even if you have to claculate the animation sequence into self healing.

Yeah, its general for spell-likes.

+ they also work in Beholder-Antimagic.

+ the Reconstruct Spell-like does NOT share a cooldown with the Reconstruct spell. Intersting for builds that have both, and like to Tenser.



P.S.
Nice to see you still playing ;-)

[zwiebelring]

What can I say, too much time and money in Wanzer, won't give him up . I noticed that the SLA even works while being cursed. I came to know that there were some changes to some of the curses impeding only divine healing magic/effects. Like in VoD the boss can't impede your healing, Mummy Curse neither. Again. BF is a no brainer kind of.

Anyway as much as I love the Juggernaut idea, with this non preventable healing power you are not restricted to Artificer. I am playing the Cetus build atm., which is more streamlined (the relation between sp costs of the SLA compared to the metaed spell + sp pool is somehow the same, I never had problems with sp on Jugg and neither have on Cetus build) and core regarding self healing dps. Juggernaut's biggest advantage is higher CL on cosumables.

[Nodoze]

What can I say, too much time and money in Wanzer, won't give him up . I noticed that the SLA even works while being cursed. I came to know that there were some changes to some of the curses impeding only divine healing magic/effects. Like in VoD the boss can't impede your healing, Mummy Curse neither. Again. BF is a no brainer kind of.

Anyway as much as I love the Juggernaut idea, with this non preventable healing power you are not restricted to Artificer. I am playing the Cetus build atm., which is more streamlined (the relation between sp costs of the SLA compared to the metaed spell + sp pool is somehow the same, I never had problems with sp on Jugg and neither have on Cetus build) and core regarding self healing dps. Juggernaut's biggest advantage is higher CL on cosumables.

Curious how many spell points you have and where you are getting them from on your Cetus BF. I have a 250sp item thus far but not much else (new character with no greensteel). When they were on sale I bought a ton of spell pots for a temporary solution but want to enlarge my spell pool and curious how high others have gotten theirs. I am currently farming my 375 PDK favor (~250 now) but thinking about switching gears to go after a Bauble and starting on GreenSteel when timer is available but not sure what else I can/should be doing...

[zwiebelring]

Got 245 atm before shipbuffs (greensteel + 3 FvS past live feats). I get another +200 when I can get an augment. Short on relics so I have to run gh a lil more.

As Juggernaut I had around 1,2k sp. But since I had to buff the party (and me) occasionally and cast quickened Recon the sp were as sufficient as the 250ish right now. I got Bauble, too, but never needed it very often. On ee gh quests more frequently, on ehard never at all. I expect that once I got that sp augment I am fine since it basically expands the sp to what the Bauble will recharge.

And I guess that's due to the cheap no interruptable SLA. Low lvl. clickies give you back the equivalent of one full heal. Archivist's Necklace, Twisted Talisman, some pot.s you find occasionally.

You can even try Ring of The Master Artificer. This item is easy to farm (no bottle neck compared to Shards of Power) and what it makes a real boost is the spell crit. chance for your SLA. I healed for 700-800 very frequently, which comes in handy till you get +114 recon augment.

There are too many good rings, though, so I had to switch eventually, but it is an easy solution and I miss the crit.s on self healing.

It gives you everything you need on that one bodyslot:
green + colorless slot
+200 sp (like Bauble)
+90 spellpower
high spellc rit.
Recon. clicky

For running ee I decided for Guardian's Ring. Highest PRR bonus available at lvl. 19 if you wish + yellow slot. No easy decision but I am fine with it.

[jakedamus]

Got 245 atm before shipbuffs (greensteel + 3 FvS past live feats). I get another +200 when I can get an augment. Short on relics so I have to run gh a lil more.

IMO - bladeforged and jugger = con op item. No Brainer.

All self healing bladeforged builds need a con-op item. Honestly. It gives you Wiz VI (or Blind Immun) and 150 SpellPoints and cha/int skill points for UMD and SPower.
Becuase you are a melee build Con-Op goes off all the time. Honestly. My Bladeforged sits on about 450-650 SP depending on EpicD but Im getting hundreds more from the con-op procs.
Bored of Jugger - try this build. https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...atsword-Kensei

With a Jugger you are just a power battery of spell points. (I use a second con-op weapon when I really need a boost in SP)

[zwiebelring]

IMO - bladeforged and jugger = con op item. No Brainer.

All self healing bladeforged builds need a con-op item. Honestly. It gives you Wiz VI (or Blind Immun) and 150 SpellPoints and cha/int skill points for UMD and SPower.
Becuase you are a melee build Con-Op goes off all the time. Honestly. My Bladeforged sits on about 450-650 SP depending on EpicD but Im getting hundreds more from the con-op procs.
Bored of Jugger - try this build. https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...atsword-Kensei

With a Jugger you are just a power battery of spell points. (I use a second con-op weapon when I really need a boost in SP)

I don't get many procs since I am mostly displaced, dodging, missed, blurred, incorporeal. Or blitzing^^.

[Rockknocker]

NOOB alert!! Beware:

The OP makes it clear that this build is based on utilisation of Tenser's Transformation.

Refering to the OP build it has 14 INT = 11 base plus a +3 tome

Tenser's Transformation is a level 5 artificer spell requiring 15 INT. So the build with base + tome cannot cast it.

I searched for an extra INT from enhancements and couldn't find it.

So I am confused as to how the build achieves its goal.

[JJMC895610]

NOOB alert!! Beware:

The OP makes it clear that this build is based on utilisation of Tenser's Transformation.

Refering to the OP build it has 14 INT = 11 base plus a +3 tome

Tenser's Transformation is a level 5 artificer spell requiring 15 INT. So the build with base + tome cannot cast it.

I searched for an extra INT from enhancements and couldn't find it.

So I am confused as to how the build achieves its goal.

Item:

Goggles: Intrigate Field Optics 8 Int, Blindness & Fear Immunity slotted

[Rockknocker]

Many thanks, JJMC. I understand how gear can boost abilities such as intelligence above the levels acquired via base, inherent, feats and enhancements, but I thought that the gear-related INT did not give one the means to cast spells at higher levels off the spell-book, because spells were independent of gear. They have to be, because otherwise you simply learn a spell and then remove the gear which would either prevent you from casting that spell, or be an exploit if you could do so.

So the Juggernaut still has only 14 INT and cannot cast a level 5 spell from his/her spellbook.

The only way to do so would be to cast off scrolls which, while possible, seems to be a risky build-strategy in the heat of EH or EE battle.

Have I been super-NOOBish and missed something about gear-attributes and spell-casting ability?

[Dragon.Star]

Many thanks, JJMC. I understand how gear can boost abilities such as intelligence above the levels acquired via base, inherent, feats and enhancements, but I thought that the gear-related INT did not give one the means to cast spells at higher levels off the spell-book, because spells were independent of gear. They have to be, because otherwise you simply learn a spell and then remove the gear which would either prevent you from casting that spell, or be an exploit if you could do so.

So the Juggernaut still has only 14 INT and cannot cast a level 5 spell from his/her spellbook.

The only way to do so would be to cast off scrolls which, while possible, seems to be a risky build-strategy in the heat of EH or EE battle.

Have I been super-NOOBish and missed something about gear-attributes and spell-casting ability?

Stat based gear does help meet requirements when casting spells.

[Nodoze]

Many thanks, JJMC. I understand how gear can boost abilities such as intelligence above the levels acquired via base, inherent, feats and enhancements, but I thought that the gear-related INT did not give one the means to cast spells at higher levels off the spell-book, because spells were independent of gear. They have to be, because otherwise you simply learn a spell and then remove the gear which would either prevent you from casting that spell, or be an exploit if you could do so.

So the Juggernaut still has only 14 INT and cannot cast a level 5 spell from his/her spellbook.

The only way to do so would be to cast off scrolls which, while possible, seems to be a risky build-strategy in the heat of EH or EE battle.

Have I been super-NOOBish and missed something about gear-attributes and spell-casting ability?

Stat based gear does help meet requirements when casting spells.

Agreed. I have several divines with dumped wisdom who use gear to get all their spells... I have to have the gear on to memorize the spells and when I take off the gear the stay memorized but I can't cast them unless I swap the gear back on... That being said the Initial Post was last edited by Lurzifer on 08-26-2013 at 07:45 AM so it was included from the start and I don't think he mentions any gear swapping so it is ready to roll all the time...

That being said it isn't anywhere near beyond the realm of possibility to swap gear in/out before casting spells... I personally don't like to do it from a Quality of Life (QoL) perspective (especially if it affects UMD) but many people with good twitch skills can do it readily. You can review Cetus's videos for some fine examples where he swaps his eSOS for a GS-triple-positive-healing-amp-stick and a scroll, then casts spell-powered-and-amped-heal from a scroll via UMD, and then swaps back to his eSoS, and then jumps back into combat without much delay for all those steps...

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Have I been super-NOOBish and missed something about gear-attributes and spell-casting ability?

Yes. Yes you have.