The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[Pilgrim1]

Question; would this build work as a fighter(2)/monk(2)/cleric(16) human? I don't have artificer and I don't want to ever waste time getting it, but I like this concept of an unstoppable, solo capable beast. It would obviously lack trap skills, umd, and some arti buffs, but I still think it could be doable.

Use wizard as a sub in, try 12 wizard/6 monk/2 ranger. That should get you everything you need, without the traps skills. You can mix in more or less wizard levels due to getting reconstruct earlier (lvl 11). Reconstruct continues to gain power upto lvl 15, but i wouldn't take more than 15 wizard levels. While the bonus feets are a bit diffrent on wizard you should have enough to manage. Just be sure to take things like quicken and extend on your free wizard feets.


PS. other posible splits are:
15 wizard/2pal/3monk
14 wizard/2monk/4ranger
12 wizard/6ranger/2monk
12 wizard/6monk/2pal

As you can see lots of options

[~reincarnation]

That's a screenshot I took 2 minutes ago, just to show stats/numbers as a reference. Wearing about 20% of the gear I plan for, and missing plenty of destinys.

Just curious where you get these numbers from:

+ Working AC
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+ Good Melee CC with Stun (DC60) / Trip
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+ PRR up to 60 possible
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That's my usual numbers, except -6STR cos I was messing with Titans Grip clicky, +6 Reflex against traps from rogue PL's also.
So, build is obviously not AC spec'd, I run with 74 normally, threw on some random AC gear I had and bumped it up to 90. Not sure what you meant by 'Working AC', does AC effect EE or even EH when it's only 70ish? Not sure.

In that screenshot I have 10/Good DR, 13%PRR = 7.96% DR, 10% Incorporeal, 20% Permanent Concealment, 50% Temporary Concealment and 25% Dodge. Survivability is great, have begun soloing some EE's , but would LOVE higher PRR.

PRR is 13, I know 3% comes from Earth Stance, dunno where the other 10% is from. How would you buff that to 60? Possible without sacrificing twists/builds main priorities severely?

Stunning Blow = +10Base, +22Strength Mod, +10Dun'Robar,+3Fighter PL's, +3WF Enhancements, +6ED = 54 Total.
Are you wearing multiple Stun items or am I missing something?

Build is great fun to play and rewarding to advance, thanks.

[dredre9987]

Possible to get a final AP breakdown? Or at least an approximation since most will tweak anyways.

[Lurzifer]

Just curious where you get these numbers from:


That's my usual numbers, except -6STR cos I was messing with Titans Grip clicky, +6 Reflex against traps from rogue PL's also.
So, build is obviously not AC spec'd, I run with 74 normally, threw on some random AC gear I had and bumped it up to 90. Not sure what you meant by 'Working AC', does AC effect EE or even EH when it's only 70ish? Not sure.

In that screenshot I have 10/Good DR, 13%PRR = 7.96% DR, 10% Incorporeal, 20% Permanent Concealment, 50% Temporary Concealment and 25% Dodge. Survivability is great, have begun soloing some EE's , but would LOVE higher PRR.

PRR is 13, I know 3% comes from Earth Stance, dunno where the other 10% is from. How would you buff that to 60? Possible without sacrificing twists/builds main priorities severely?

Stunning Blow = +10Base, +22Strength Mod, +10Dun'Robar,+3Fighter PL's, +3WF Enhancements, +6ED = 54 Total.
Are you wearing multiple Stun items or am I missing something?

Build is great fun to play and rewarding to advance, thanks.

You are missing +5/6 Exceptional combat mastery on your summary.
The Prr comes from Standing with stone twist running in fury with planar focus set bonus, the "working" AC relates to a certain percentage of mitigation there, ofc this build doesnt run with enough AC to be called AC build. AC gives an additional 35% for EH and 15-20% for EE to be missed.

I currently ditched the Sireth for the Cleaver, and with Blademarks Docent my Trip is on 64 which is working fantastic even in EE.

PRR will be higher next update, currently im quite fine with my 15 from the set bonus.

Edit: Lookin at your Hotbars i know where the 10 PRR come from, but i fear im not allowed to discuss this on the forum.

[~reincarnation]

Yep, I don't have room to slot an exceptional item. Was just curious.

Working on the 15PRR from set bonus, just flagged and have done CitW x2 now. So does all forms of PRR stack? Doesn't matter what number or where it comes from?
I see, I'm not a fan of Fury. Dreadnaught all the way for me.

Thanks.

[Lurzifer]

Fury is the way to go for Raid situations, except of course the others accept a blitz and make use of it.

But nothing says hi to a raid boss like a couple Fury Manyshots in the face

For PRR stacking, well basically different sources stack.
Planar set stacks with sheltering buff, but 2 sheltering buffs even with different values dont. PRR from fury stacks with everything so does standing with stone.

[Viisari]

But nothing says hi to a raid boss like a couple Fury Manyshots in the face

The plan was to drop EE lolth in under a minute once the army is ready, right?

[Carpone]

I currently ditched the Sireth for the Cleaver

Care to share why you made this change?

[Lurzifer]

The DR boost has +6 PRR in Fury.

Imo Cleaver is currently the best weapon in the game, U17 will only boost that.

[fyrst.grok]

Edit: Looks like the skills are bugged with the new epic code.

They DID say arties were masters of UMD..

[Cetus]

Weapon Focus Ranged is prereq for Bowstr.

As Ranger version u save 3 feats by getting rapid shot and bow strength free.

As far as Bow + Manyshot goes, there is nothing currently ingame that can match that burst on Fury and blitzed LD.

Maybe, but a quick glance at the salamander fight in your ring of fire video shows a manyshotted time, from first hit til takedown to be about 15 seconds. Doublecheck my measurement, but it seems that you layed the first hit on it at 3:09 and killed it at 3:24.

In my video using blitzed cleaver, it seems that I've taken him down in 13 seconds. First hit 3:12 killing shot 3:25.

I understand that it isn't a 100% apples to apples scenario, but its a reasonable enough comparison to get an idea of where manyshot dps stands.

[Viisari]

I understand that it isn't a 100% apples to apples scenario, but its a reasonable enough comparison to get an idea of where manyshot dps stands.

Ya manyshot isn't nearly as nice on a blitz as it is on a fury, furyshot does a bit ridiculous damage for the time frame.

Still, even if manyshot is not as great on a blitz as it's on a fury it's still good option since you might not want to get or are unable to get into melee range in every situation.

[Cetus]

Ya manyshot isn't nearly as nice on a blitz as it is on a fury, furyshot does a bit ridiculous damage for the time frame.

Still, even if manyshot is not as great on a blitz as it's on a fury it's still good option since you might not want to get or are unable to get into melee range in every situation.

Yea, I picked up manyshot/IC-ranged/bow-str/precise shot for archers focus on my kensei in addition to being purely melee. Been playing with it for the past few weeks, and its a great way to steal a few initial kills to get that blitz charged, but I'm questioning its superiority in damage output over just going in and swinging at a red named or something.

EDIT: Of course, the wild weapons does make a significant difference. I should do another test with sense weakness in instead

[Olath_Senger]

This is definitely a very interesting and unique build. Not sure if I'll roll one in the near future, but it's very tempting.

I do have one question, though; while leveling, it appears DPS will come pretty much exclusively from melee. How does melee DPS compare to, say, a paladin or battle cleric? And also, how much DPS would be lost if the ranged feats were dropped and the build focused completely on melee?

[WruntJunior]

Yea, I picked up manyshot/IC-ranged/bow-str/precise shot for archers focus on my kensei in addition to being purely melee. Been playing with it for the past few weeks, and its a great way to steal a few initial kills to get that blitz charged, but I'm questioning its superiority in damage output over just going in and swinging at a red named or something.

EDIT: Of course, the wild weapons does make a significant difference. I should do another test with sense weakness in instead

Yeah, in a couple weeks (or less) any test with Wild Weapons has to be discarded, as it will no longer be the awesomesauce sadly.

[Blank_Zero]

Wait wait wait.

why would anyone use anything BUT Sense Weakness?

[WruntJunior]

Wait wait wait.

why would anyone use anything BUT Sense Weakness?

Try Wild Weapons on a THF pre-u17. You'll understand.

Basically has to do with the description grossly understating what it currently does, by about a factor of 10.

[Cetus]

Wait wait wait.

why would anyone use anything BUT Sense Weakness?

Sadly, some very "correct" forumite spoiled the fun for everyone and disclosed the entire bug surrounding wild weapons. In its current form, it competes very nicely with sense weakness as the tier 4 twist of choice for glancing blow damage. It is my understanding that it has been reverted back to its utterly useless form in U17, since turbine can't handle anything but extremes.

[scoobmx]

for the ESOS version of this, if you have no pally PL and no completionist, could you take adamantine body instead?

Is there a 2WF version of this build, say with khopeshes?

[MeliCat]

The plan was to drop EE lolth in under a minute once the army is ready, right?

only one more to roll up so I understand? *coughcoughacccoughcough* that is going to be an awesome sight to see please youtube it.