The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[Bacab]

I like the build.

I just wanted to point out some thing that a regular arty is better at than the Juggernaut...

It gets to shoot things from a distance better so 1-20 I think it solos better.

BUT...

At 20-25...LD just seems to be the strongest melee Destiny (though GMoF is a strong choice too).

This is nothing new...yet it is. It is an nigh un-killable toon that can buff others.

I always liked the Tukaw...but every time I started leveling one...I'd be annoyed at level 8 on not having Firewall. Then when it was time to start putting the melee levels in...I just felt an 16Sorc/2Sorc/2Sorc was stronger over all than the Tukaw.

I remember having a discussion with a buddy about his Tukaw vs my WF FVS. My answer was...I can fly and cast Mass Heal. Therefore...I get into any raid I want.

I kinda feel the same about this build. I rather have my 17CLR/2MNK/1FTR LD battle cleric. Because I can Aura Burst and cast mass heal...

BUT in a party with like minded people...this build seems stupidly strong.

Just because it may or may not be for me...does not make it a "bad" build.

It is clearly a beast. Arty has some unique buffs. Arty also gets some bonus feats (that helps a lot IMHO).

Like seriously...if a Bard could be Lawful...16BRD/2MNK/2PLD...that would have been this build in 2009 (Level cap to 20 I think in 2009).

Would be cool if Bard could leverage evasion into a build, and get 2 feats out of it. And obviously...2PLD on a BRD would be easy to get to "untouchable saves".

Anyway...a "Don't Die Button" (quickened heal/reconstruct) is pretty much the only way I can play now lol.

[Sonos]

Actually I only stopped to post in this thread because I smelled blood in the water. I took a break on the game for a few days and hung out on the forums. You post a few things and defend those posts for a few days and you get a little angry? Predacious? Defensive? I think I will just go with unfriendly.

Shouldn't have bothered to post as the only thing I care about artificers is that they carry deadly.

No matter the particulars of the build it is obviously going to be very capable given the class split and the soloability of just the main class. I'm glad you are happy with it and feel it worthy of sharing. That means it is able to do what you wanted and that is what counts.

By "you" I hope you meant you.

[kanbeki]

After playing this build I have to ask if others that are playing the build are keeping up tensers full time, in high damage situations I found the extended cooldown too much to bear. I like the build and will probably TR into a tukaw variant next week to get a feel for each of them

[Machination]

I have quicken "always on" for tensors and have not had a problem *yet*. That being said during any high damage *cough*lag*cough* situation any spell, gear swap, stance is risky!

After playing this build I have to ask if others that are playing the build are keeping up tensers full time, in high damage situations I found the extended cooldown too much to bear. I like the build and will probably TR into a tukaw variant next week to get a feel for each of them

[Loriac]

After playing this build I have to ask if others that are playing the build are keeping up tensers full time, in high damage situations I found the extended cooldown too much to bear. I like the build and will probably TR into a tukaw variant next week to get a feel for each of them

Are you cycling repair spells whilst reconstruct is on cooldown? One of the benefits of taking arti levels instead of sorc for this build is that you get 'free' repair spell slots, which are on separate timers to reconstruct.

[knockcocker]

I have quicken "always on" for tensors and have not had a problem *yet*. That being said during any high damage *cough*lag*cough* situation any spell, gear swap, stance is risky!

I think it was more in reference to the doubled cooldown on reconstruct...

[Machination]

Ah, I see the issue now. I still don't have mine up to 20.....almost there I'll see after I get recon as a spell. So far I don't even have recon still scrolling. But I can imagine the pain!

In the meantime, can I still complain about UMD gear swap lag issues?

I think it was more in reference to the doubled cooldown on reconstruct...

[kanbeki]

I think it was more in reference to the doubled cooldown on reconstruct...

This, my jugg only has around 860 hp buffed up and If I'm not displaced EE mobs tend to wreck me

[aristarchus1000]

I've been leveling up my Juggernaut, just hit 15 and having fun, although I can't wait for Manyshot and Reconstruct!

That said, I'd really love to fit in Paladin Divine Grace Saves with IPS. What do you guys think of a build that splashes 2 of Ranger and 2 Paladin and drops monk?

Monk provides 2 feats plus evasion. In my experience, evasion doesn't make a huge difference as long as your reflex saves are high. My previous "monster" build often was in medium or heavy armor with very little noticeable effect.

By taking 2 Ranger instead, you get 3 "free" feats vs the monks 2. You lose evasion but you gain favored enemy and SPRINT BOOST! Maybe a few enhancement points to increase elemental resistance as well. What do you guys think?

[Eistander]

Great looking build, takes advantage of everything that it is designed to do and only gets crazier in epics.. I just hope we don't end up with another Batman lol (although I can't think of anything right off-hand that would cause that to occur).. but with the way Turbine has been doing things, I give it a few months and then something like the enhancement pass will destroy this build too..

I gotta get one done before this happens lol

[Forzah]

Great looking build, takes advantage of everything that it is designed to do and only gets crazier in epics.. I just hope we don't end up with another Batman lol (although I can't think of anything right off-hand that would cause that to occur).. but with the way Turbine has been doing things, I give it a few months and then something like the enhancement pass will destroy this build too..

I gotta get one done before this happens lol

This build is very light on enhancements, a change to enhancements will probably only make it better.

[emptysands]

This build is very light on enhancements, a change to enhancements will probably only make it better.

For example, Stalwart Defender is meant [1] to be the racial PrE for WF. Mixing in additional PRR and HP may be interesting for this build. May then be worth considering a build option with the Shield Feats.


[1] http://ddowiki.com/page/In_development#Racial_Tree

[Lurzifer]

If the Warforged and Dwarven racial Pre gets anything like stalwart active stance ill not gonna take it and probably look for another build to utilize the racial pres. Stalwart stance completly locks out Barbariantype like Fury, Scream, Rage etc. This is a huge cut into especially Dwarven and Warforged Playstyle, if there are some blank defense options like more PRR, AC, Dodge etc that would ofc totally rock and combined with battle engineer Tier 2 would bring the jugg to a whole new level

Currently i am quite excited to gather some of the U17 gear and slot all whats possible there.

[Khellendros13]

If the Warforged and Dwarven racial Pre gets anything like stalwart active stance ill not gonna take it and probably look for another build to utilize the racial pres. Stalwart stance completly locks out Barbariantype like Fury, Scream, Rage etc. This is a huge cut into especially Dwarven and Warforged Playstyle, if there are some blank defense options like more PRR, AC, Dodge etc that would ofc totally rock and combined with battle engineer Tier 2 would bring the jugg to a whole new level

Currently i am quite excited to gather some of the U17 gear and slot all whats possible there.

Stalwart stances do not cancel Primal Rage.

[~reincarnation]

I'm level 18 of this build atm, (ranger version, completionist +3 monk/rog/fighter/wiz/sorc/fvs/paladin) had a bit of drama in elite devils. (died once ) Have smashed pretty much all content up till that quest, was my first death. Mainly lack of reconstruct and partially cos I got distracted. I figure the DPS is pretty nice, cleave spam is handling most mobs nicely, and manyshot rocks. Am using MinII Axe/Longbow atm.

I realise alot of power comes from LD and gear, I have about 75% of what you're wearing atm, will work on that.

Just curious if you've spent much time in Epic Elites?
How do you find this build works on EE? Can it solo? Does it contribute to a decent party?

I've watched both your video links, but there is a big difference between CR30 Challanges and EE. Not that they were unimpressive, very cool!

Thanks.

[Viisari]

Just curious if you've spent much time in Epic Elites?
How do you find this build works on EE? Can it solo? Does it contribute to a decent party?

He makes most of them look like heroic normals.

[jakeelala]

how come on YourDDO youre a 3/1 bard fighter Human?

[Lurzifer]

Because you have to select Thelanis and not khyber

[WruntJunior]

Well, I'm well-enough convinced - Youngwrunt is now level 1 in this build. Now to get to 25 and judge you on your build (as well as have all 3 of my mains capped again before eGH, I hope). >_>

Will edit this post with my informed opinion (or post a new post if many posts have been posted since this post) once I get back to 25 (which should give me a good 6 levels of manyshot + master's blitz >_>).

[jakeelala]

Because you have to select Thelanis and not khyber

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