The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[Ivan_Milic]

Haek post your buggernaut build.

[Choopak]

My current version with Master of Forms (+1 crit Earth stance, extra PRR and HP) and Zen Archery (Earth stance with bow).

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Yktaw 
Level 28 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(2 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 16 Artificer \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 552
Spell Points: 1066 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 14
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            13                    17
Constitution         18                    27
Intelligence         13                    16
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma              6                     9

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               1                    12
Bluff                -2                     8
Concentration         4                    17
Diplomacy            -2                     8
Disable Device        n/a                  n/a
Haggle               -2                     8
Heal                  1                    11
Hide                  1                    12
Intimidate           -2                     8
Jump                  3                    15
Listen                1                    11
Move Silently         1                    12
Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                    13
Search                1                    13
Spellcraft            1                    12
Spot                  1                    11
Swim                  3                    15
Tumble                n/a                  n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms


Level 7 (Artificer)


Level 8 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Point Blank Shot


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 17 (Artificer)


Level 18 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 19 (Artificer)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Pierce Damage Reduction (Silver)


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed


Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Elusive Target

At lvl 28 I have:
base 900 HP (1000 in FotW), 46 PRR (blue augment, planar focus, earth stance)

What are you using weapon wise? THF? or TWF?, i see no weapon's lines...

[Ivan_Milic]

What are you using weapon wise? THF? or TWF?, i see no weapon's lines...

Probably using Sireth, but I see he put imp crit slash, so idk, could be he made a mistake in char planner.

[aristarchus1000]

Probably using Sireth, but I see he put imp crit slash, so idk, could be he made a mistake in char planner.

I agree with Sireth, since it appears to be a centered build (with Zen Archery). He should swap out Imp Crit: Slash for Imp Crit: Blunt.

This build never used the THF feat line. Just too tight on feats.

[Lurzifer]

Haek post your buggernaut build.

No idea what youre talking about :P

[Ivan_Milic]

no idea what youre talking about

lol

[Vellrad]

I'm running juggernaut-like build atm.

So far I'm level 9.

I decided to go with shortswords, as I got 2 celestias on this toon.

Its based on TWF ranger variant, with a bit different lvl order to fit zen archery as monk feat.

AMRRAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEE

For feats I plan:
1. PBS
2. PA
3. Cleave
6. GC
7. ZA
8. Precise shot
9. ITWF
12. IC pierce and ranged
15. GTWF
16. Quicken
18. Manyshot
20. Improved precise shot
21. OC
24. Something of forms
26. PTWF
27. Master of forms
28.

So basically I dropped dodge, toughness and bastard sword for improved critical and 2 monk form feats.
I'm not sure if dropping dodge will severly hurt this character, and if dodge is better than master of forms.
Also, I'm undecided on last feat. Probably elusive target or forced escape.

I'm not sure how to spend Action Points.

I'm assuming, a lot into WF tree, medicore things from tempest, few lowest hanging fruits from deepwood and AA, and couple of things from ninja and shinato.
WF 17 (to get full improved PA and weapon attachment)
Deepwood 1 (1d6 sneak attack for 1 AP seems reasonable)
AA 3 (core + 1d6 ranged damage)
Shinato 13 (core, deft strike, iron skin)
Ninja 10 (dodge, 2d6 sneak attack, some dodge, fists of iron)
Tempest 14 (extra damage, bleed, haste boost)

This leaves 21 AP unspent.

As I'm not using bastards, taking this line is unneeded, so I'm thinking about damage boost, extra AB, strenght, and seeker cores.

Is fussilade good enough to take it on this build?


Thanks for any advice, and thanks for posting this build ; )

[NaturalHazard]

I have a character that I rolled up a long time ago, its a pure 20 warchanter bard.......warforged.......I was wondering about using the 20LR to change him into an artie because hes a bard he wont have the right alignment for monk/pally unfortunately, its a 32 point build.

But if its possible do you think a arti 16 2 fighter 2 ranger or if thats not possible a arti 16 4 fighter might work? Take the ranged feats I have some +3 and +4 tomes on him. Have to be 2hf as I have 2hf weapons AGA,epic whirlwind cleaver and others, I was thinking arti as that past life feat is more useful to me than the bards one, and can have some fun playing him, will miss some of the bard buffs but can use clickes of course and with armour of speed don't need haste.

Was looking at the arti pestige enhancements not so impressed with em, would be not so bad if I was going 2wf with nightmares but ive already used one box on cleaver, so cleaver and citw bow combo.

Seeing as it wont have evasion take adamatine body?

The good thing I saw with batter engineer is that it has a lot of dps boosts can I take those in conjunction with the fighter boosts? And have it all work with the LD boosts?

[JohnBacon]

This is the build I have worked out for a 2nd life Jugg. Any feedback would be awesome. My first life was a Pally so as far as I can tell it wasn't much help beyond the extra 2 points.

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2nd Life
Level 28 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male
(2 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 16 Artificer \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 468
Spell Points: 1046 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            15                    19
Constitution         16                    21
Intelligence         13                    17
Wisdom               11                    15
Charisma              6                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
Balance               4                    30
Bluff                -2                     9
Concentration         3                    14
Diplomacy            -2                     9
Disable Device        5                    35
Haggle               -2                    10
Heal                  0                    11
Hide                  2                    11
Intimidate           -2                     9
Jump                  3                    15
Listen                0                    11
Move Silently         2                    11
Open Lock             n/a                  36
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                5                    35
Search                5                    35
Spellcraft            1                    12
Spot                  4                    15
Swim                  3                    13
Tumble                n/a                  12
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 4 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Artificer)


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Mithral Body


Level 17 (Artificer)


Level 18 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 19 (Artificer)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Extend Spell


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Toughness


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting

[Makkuroi]

I got a +5 dex tome from mabar so Im considering going 16+5 dex for combat archery... thoughts? Still got my +0 LR and char is not on priority atm, so I got time to consider.

Is master of forms really that cool? Sireth has rather low base damage compared to greataxes, and doesnt profit from headmans...

[DaggomaticDwarf]

Is master of forms really that cool? Sireth has rather low base damage compared to greataxes, and doesnt profit from headmans...

If you prefer to use Greataxes then you wont really need any form stance as you wont be centered.

What Master gives is +1 crit and extra PRR. My BF Juggy has 99 PRR atm. A centered version can really take advantage of the different stances.

[NaturalHazard]

If you prefer to use Greataxes then you wont really need any form stance as you wont be centered.

What Master gives is +1 crit and extra PRR. My BF Juggy has 99 PRR atm. A centered version can really take advantage of the different stances.

yeah or else he would have to do a completely different build with 8 fighter and some monk....hope its BF if is a robot though.

[Makkuroi]

nothing about combat archery? +1w on pinion +2% dodge isnt really bad...

[DaggomaticDwarf]

nothing about combat archery? +1w on pinion +2% dodge isnt really bad...

The stat point investment is too big imo. As for a BF almost impossible as we start in the hole at creation

[Makkuroi]

16 dex +5 tome(mabar)

I dont have bladeforged, and as mainly uncentered ranger version (can go centered but no form feats) I dont really need cha or wis.

Bladeforged of course is nice because of the early recon SLA. Needs to go paladin, though, or has to LR into ranger.

[DaggomaticDwarf]

16 dex +5 tome(mabar)

I dont have bladeforged, and as mainly uncentered ranger version (can go centered but no form feats) I dont really need cha or wis.

Bladeforged of course is nice because of the early recon SLA. Needs to go paladin, though, or has to LR into ranger.

Bladeforged start with -2 dex, -2wis so to try and take both Combat Archery and Zen Archery would be very costly imo

If my Juggy was more ranged focus Id consider it but...

[G_Lich]

Bladeforged start with -2 dex, -2wis so to try and take both Combat Archery and Zen Archery would be very costly imo

If my Juggy was more ranged focus Id consider it but...

I've ended up using needle/pinion more with dual nightmares (x2 EN Augs) / celestias (no buffs) situationally, the 16 arti is too hard to drop lower for the feat bonuses on either ranger or monk given deadly/reconstruct, even on bladeforged you can have the best of 3 worlds, ranged trash (needle) ranged boss (pinion manyshot) and melee twf dps. overwhelming crit, epic toughness, and combat archery not in that order particularly.

It's a great framework for ed's, the flavor of the month build has turned into the flavor of the day, if i want to get on and do terrifying mdps (with power of the forge/haste boost) i'll do that, i'm only short of the higher crit-range builds out there, but i've got deadly/traps/selfheals/some cc (sphere). If i want to come on and blast some bosses with furyshots, that's doable too, not quite as epic as a pure AA monkcher in earth stance w/ higher crit multiplier, but i've got deadly/traps/selfheals/some cc. If i want to come and mow through tons and tons of trash with an ESOS crit profile (needle) and a twisted stay frosty to keep minty fresh, I can, and there are only severely gimped rog/arti builds out there that can beat the repeater damage output, but over those I have deadly/saves/twf option.

I've tried very hard to find improvements on the 16arti/2rgr/2monk and so far I can't accept any other options for the losses you take without completely changing the build into something that can not excel in all the 3 fields above.

Oh my .02, i made room for deflect arrows and shield of whirling steel in twf, it deflects a lot more than arrows, anything with a projectile (titan blasts, giant rocks) it's fun to see a rock/bullet just disappear.

*additional: with the high rdps output and killing power, you could start a whole arguement about the need for mdps in the first place, but if you're going full ranged spec, I'd check out Dubbell O'seven's caster arti, it's a little dated, but if you splash 2 monk in there for the toughness you have something very solid.

Disclaimer: 36pt build w/ full +5 tomes, so starting split is something like 16str/16con/14dex/16int/6wis/8cha with 2points in str, 2points in dex, 1point in int (insightful damage still adds a nice chunk to needle).

[Makkuroi]

Haek has TRed into a centered kensai... 8 fighter 6 monk 6 ranger bladeforged... I guess we can close the thread

Id be interested in the exact stats of the build but it should be clear what it can do... its basically a cetus BF with full access to arcane archer, so slightly less kensai slightly more ranged.

Ill keep my Jugg for a while, hes not my main and my TRing speed is much lower than that of many other players in the forums. Plus, I like to be able to do traps.

[Nodoze]

Haek has TRed into a centered kensai... 8 fighter 6 monk 6 ranger bladeforged... I guess we can close the thread

Id be interested in the exact stats of the build but it should be clear what it can do... its basically a cetus BF with full access to arcane archer, so slightly less kensai slightly more ranged.

Ill keep my Jugg for a while, hes not my main and my TRing speed is much lower than that of many other players in the forums. Plus, I like to be able to do traps.

As long as 'The Juggernaut' with heavy Artificer is a viable build that people are playing I would keep this thread open/going and focused on the current build. Personally I would think it ideal if Haek would start a new thread focused on his new 8F/6M/6Rn build and contribute on both threads. I think it would be confusing to folk still running the heavy Artificer versions to mix in 8F/6M/6Rn in the same thread.

[Eth]

Happy birthday juggernaut thread! 250k+ views and still going, wow...