The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[~reincarnation]

Why is Ranger better than Paladin for people with Completionist?

I only see the +3 free feats, which is obviously a big deal. Does the lack of Paladin saves make much difference in EE? I assume it would, maybe am missing something.

[aristarchus1000]

Why is Ranger better than Paladin for people with Completionist?

I only see the +3 free feats, which is obviously a big deal. Does the lack of Paladin saves make much difference in EE? I assume it would, maybe am missing something.

Personally, I don't think so, I really like the high saves in this build. I'm currently trying to figure out what I feats I can drop to squeeze in PS and IPS in the Paladin version of the build. I don't have completionist, so I don't have worry about that, so I think I'll drop Mithril Body and Epic Toughness.

I had a spare largely unplayed character that I have TR'd into this build, so I'll see how it goes. Looks fun at least!

[unbongwah]

You can ignore concentration, u have quicken.

Not until lvl 20, I don't. Plus it's there for UMDing Raise Dead, Heal, etc. for those dang fleshies who suffer from not being cool like us.

Build looks fine, although id use 2 str less and put those points in some wis and int to get more skill points.

How much base CHA do you suggest?

[Forzah]

Not until lvl 20, I don't. Plus it's there for UMDing Raise Dead, Heal, etc. for those dang fleshies who suffer from not being cool like us.

How much base CHA do you suggest?

I'd start with 16 STR and 17 con (if you have a +4 tome). Then you can start with 12 int, 12 cha and put the rest in wis to boost saves.

[unbongwah]

Then you can start with 12 int, 12 cha and put the rest in wis to boost saves.

In that case, perhaps you could use one of the spare feats to pick up FoP so you can ignore WIS entirely.

[Forzah]

In that case, perhaps you could use one of the spare feats to pick up FoP so you can ignore WIS entirely.

In the end you can get about 8 more cha than wis if you go 13 cha - 6 wis, so FoP would give you 4 extra will save then. It could be worth a feat, I guess, since you can also afford to skip wis items, giving more space for other stuff. Then again, I will probably need all feat slots for those ranged feats.

[whereispowderedsilve]

Haek, word on the street is u are switching 2 black dragon helm(once U17 hits), should I even bother making a min2 gs helm for 1 or 2 pally pass thru PLs?

Your input is greatly appreciated & valued! Thanks very much in advance! :P! ! Cheers!

(Trying 2 justify the cost of using the large gs mats, No I don't have hundreds cos I'm gimp :P & don't shroud a lot like I should! ><)

[Lurzifer]

Well ifu have the mats a GS min2 never hurts while leveling, on the other hand Minos Legends is so easy to get and basically does the same -25 hp. Im just using it atm to fill my slots accordingly to my needs, and those are set on U17 loot.

Will use Epic Blademarks docent + black helm for trash, and anything bossy or with fortification i will use the black docent.

In my current endgear setup on Haek, there is no GS item in at all, besides the clickies ofc.
If the Halycon Boots are **** i might use a GS item there. but will see about that when we can test the stuff live

Haek

[Machination]

I have a toon that I have been wanting to TR to ARTI but did not want to give up my Sireth.....wow....you fixed the problem for me. Also, I've never played a WF past lvl 10 or so, (all my arti's were humans) and this gives me a reason to try it out. I like it alot. Now...if i can only muster up the initiative to play the gotta TR so play BANK game...sheesh.

[WruntJunior]

Well, y'all sold me on the Juggernaut with that CitW...I think I'll be TRing Youngwrunt into one when I get the gear/tomes ready (haven't even looked for dex tomes before on that character, beyond +2s) and once Wruntjunior is capped again.

It'll be nice to have a strong, extremely self-sufficient melee where people don't fuss about my lack of healing all the time too much. >_>

Now to get +4 to all tomes and figure out if I'll do /2 ranger or /2 paladin.

Gonna be sad to bank cormyrian redscale, though. >_>

[Lurzifer]

Got my cormyrian red heavy armor banked too, worthless stuff.

Well we did another eh citw after the one you were in, and did it in 25 minutes.
We need more than 3 juggs though, and imo 9 juggs and 3 shiradi sorcs/wiz can do EE citw in under 1h and eh in ~15-20 minutes.

[WruntJunior]

Got my cormyrian red heavy armor banked too, worthless stuff.

Well we did another eh citw after the one you were in, and did it in 25 minutes.
We need more than 3 juggs though, and imo 9 juggs and 3 shiradi sorcs/wiz can do EE citw in under 1h and eh in ~15-20 minutes.

Well, in a month or two I'll have a Jugg to bring...or a Shiradi Sorc...or a monkcher. >_>

[Machination]

I Tr'd this morning, here's the plan. I decided for Zen Archery stay centered and also for the soul set which I also use sometimes.

I also decided to put in precision since I could fit it in and won't be stunning things (although stun is great, I will be using lay waste and other CC stuff and won't really have time for stunning blow)

Skills all focused on UMD/trapping. Really looking forward to playing this build!

Lvl 21/24 will take overwhelming crit and epic toughness as with OP plan. OP I owe you one this solved all my issues with Monkcher that was keeping me from TR'ing to one!

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DOOF LAWFUL NEUTRAL
Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(2 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 16 Artificer) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 788 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 16

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 25                   25
Dexterity            15                 19                   19
Constitution         16                 20                   20
Intelligence         12                 16                   16
Wisdom               12                 16                   16
Charisma              8                 12                   12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               2                  4                    5
Bluff                -1                  1                    2
Concentration         3                  5                    6
Diplomacy            -1                  1                    2
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                  1                    2
Heal                  1                  3                    4
Hide                  2                  4                    5
Intimidate           -1                  1                    2
Jump                  3                  7                    8
Listen                1                  3                    4
Move Silently         2                  4                    5
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  3                    4
Search                1                  3                    4
Spot                  1                  3                    4
Swim                  3                  7                    8
Tumble                n/a               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Artificer)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Construct Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Scrolls
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Great Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Artificer Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Automatic) Revive Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Unleash Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Traits


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 6 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Craft Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Potions
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Rune Arm Use


Level 7 (Artificer)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Wands


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking


Level 9 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Arms and Armor
Feat: (Automatic) Retain Essence


Level 10 (Artificer)


Level 11 (Artificer)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge (ALL)


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Artificer)


Level 14 (Artificer)


Level 15 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery


Level 16 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 17 (Artificer)
Feat: (Automatic) Skill Mastery


Level 18 (Artificer)
Feat: (Selected) Precision


Level 19 (Artificer)


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Precise Shot

[K_0tiC]

Got my cormyrian red heavy armor banked too, worthless stuff.

Well we did another eh citw after the one you were in, and did it in 25 minutes.
We need more than 3 juggs though, and imo 9 juggs and 3 shiradi sorcs/wiz can do EE citw in under 1h and eh in ~15-20 minutes.

This build is totally gimped in that eh citw the monk had most kills followed by the wizard and the barb(who were both puggers)!!! Back to korthos and get it right this time. You need to rename this build to the pileonaught hehe.

Did you ever entertain the idea of human/helf with pally dilly/rogue, and use sf/heal scrolls. Big amp more feats more skills +25% human versatility damage +1 to 2 stats and able to use level6 spell slot for BB/tact det. Or even go for the half construct deal for healing with recon + heal scrolls, sf etc?

[maddmatt70]

Bah, this build is not efficient at anything. It can heal itself well so shrug. If you are looking for a healing itself in short man or group then build something else. If you want to solo something then build a shiradi wiz or wf sorc survivealist otherwise what the heck are you trying to do. You do not operate in a party very efficiently as in add something to the group or what have you. A level 20 wf ranged caster artificer is far better because it adds something to the group that this doesn't and is similiar from a surviveability standpoint so blah.

[WruntJunior]

Bah, this build is not efficient at anything. It can heal itself well so shrug. If you are looking for a healing itself in short man or group then build something else. If you want to solo something then build a shiradi wiz or wf sorc survivealist otherwise what the heck are you trying to do. You do not operate in a party very efficiently as in add something to the group or what have you. A level 20 wf ranged caster artificer is far better because it adds something to the group that this doesn't and is similiar from a surviveability standpoint so blah.

You obviously haven't seen this build in action. On their server of origin, I've seen several, and they're insane - and they have arty buffs all the same as a level 20 arty...and I'd say they bring more to the party than slightly-higher DPS characters like Barbarians.

[maddmatt70]

You obviously haven't seen this build in action. On their server of origin, I've seen several, and they're insane - and they have arty buffs all the same as a level 20 arty...and I'd say they bring more to the party than slightly-higher DPS characters like Barbarians.

Bah and you have not obviously seen a real shiradi warfoge wizard because otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Anyone can heal themselves the rest is what makes a build.

[WruntJunior]

Bah and you have not obviously seen a real shiradi warfoge wizard because otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Anyone can heal themselves the rest is what makes a build.

By that logic, any melee is a waste of time and we should all be rolling shiradi sorcs and wizzies.

[maddmatt70]

By that logic, any melee is a waste of time and we should all be rolling shiradi sorcs and wizzies.

Someone can heal themself on a pally or even with silver flame pots so how is this build really better then those or something like an 11 ranger 9 monk that can heal themselves close to at will and do all this stuff with more dps so how is this guy better then that in anyway. Basically its yahoos can not heal themselves so they need a mother hen to repair all the other yahoos..

[Viisari]

Bah, this build is not efficient at anything. It can heal itself well so shrug. If you are looking for a healing itself in short man or group then build something else. If you want to solo something then build a shiradi wiz or wf sorc survivealist otherwise what the heck are you trying to do. You do not operate in a party very efficiently as in add something to the group or what have you. A level 20 wf ranged caster artificer is far better because it adds something to the group that this doesn't and is similiar from a surviveability standpoint so blah.

Sounds mad and jelly. Also sounds like you've no idea what you're talking about.

Bah and you have not obviously seen a real shiradi warfoge wizard because otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Anyone can heal themselves the rest is what makes a build.

You know that's funny, the creator of this build has a wf shiradi sorc. If the build is so bad then why isn't he just playing that instead?