The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[voxson5]

Been thinking about dual Adaxus's (currently still running with the old faithful min2's).

The axe (for those that dont know) is a base 20x4 slashing weapon, and because it is an axe so you can pick up headsman's chop in LD,

Its also a battleaxe, so no need for exotic proficency, just Icrit:slash. This also happens to give us a 19-20 crit-range.

Boosting crit lines we have Overwhelming Critical, and either Devastating Critical + Headsmans Chop in LD or the Crit + in Primal
(That said, I could potentially twist symmetrical strikes and just stay in fury/ld)

Will have to play when I get there, not much time to grind and still trying to get through grandmaster :/

[CajunTech]

I'm swapping my paladin build to a ranger build and throwing on two of these to test out. I'm still running around with an Elemental Axe of Fire. I'm also not impressed with Stunning Blow so that will free up another feat. I will be staying away from improved precise shot as well since I focus way more on melee than ranged (burst or kiting only).

My end goal is more flexibility - Being able to use TWF, THF, bows, repeating xbows, traps, etc.

[zarthak]

what would be better for a jug (ranger version) cleaver or sireth?

[moo_cow]

I leveled up the Paladin version and played at cap for a few weeks before LRing into Ranger. Wish I had done it sooner!

I'm still torn over Stunning Blow. Even with a 62 DC it's not reliable in EE content, but I don't see anything worth swapping it out for. I've already have Precision, as IPS isnt too useful with my playstyle and I have no plans to be a Completionist. Paladin past life is cool, but 7min is too short for FoT.

A 62 stunning blow dc should be awesome in epic elite, my monk has a 65 stunning fist atm and he stuns almost everything. Are you sure it was a 62 you were getting, I'm just curious because the DC is (10 + Str mod + other modifiers)

10 + 20 (50 str) + 10 stunning ring +5 combat mastery + 3 fighter past lives +3 wf tactics= 51

How are you getting to a 62 dc? That would require a 72 str, of course unless the wiki is not updated with the correct stunning blow dc breakdown or I am missing something from the DC.

I understand monks get a very very high off hand proc with stunning fist compared to thf , but it still should be pretty **** good if you can get a 62 stunning blow.

[voodoogroves]

A 62 stunning blow dc should be awesome in epic elite, my monk has a 65 stunning fist atm and he stuns almost everything. Are you sure it was a 62 you were getting, I'm just curious because the DC is (10 + Str mod + other modifiers)

10 + 20 (50 str) + 10 stunning ring +5 combat mastery + 3 fighter past lives +3 wf tactics= 51

How are you getting to a 62 dc? That would require a 72 str, of course unless the wiki is not updated with the correct stunning blow dc breakdown or I am missing something from the DC.

I understand monks get a very very high off hand proc with stunning fist compared to thf , but it still should be pretty **** good if you can get a 62 stunning blow.

You're missing the +6 from LD and an extra +1 from the cloak instead of spare hand - but either way, it needs considerable STR.

[moo_cow]

You're missing the +6 from LD and an extra +1 from the cloak instead of spare hand - but either way, it needs considerable STR.

Completely blanked on the+6 ^^ thanks

[voxson5]

What is the stunning DC watermark?

Edit - just asking in general terms for EE content

[zarthak]

whats better to use for a jugg, cleaver or sireth?

[moo_cow]

whats better to use for a jugg, cleaver or sireth?

Cleaver

[Machination]

Haek, which melee weapons would you consider needed to make the melee portion of this build work, and conversely, which ranged weapons needed to make the ranged portion work?

I used to Bow of Sinew up to lvl 23 when I got Pinion. Bow of Sinew works pretty good until you get pinion.

[kendo]

I'm no pro, and only have one TR character so far, but I love theory. I say 2 damage is nothing to laugh at--people commonly take 2 gear slots for this same bonus--and 10hp, although helpful, is a very marginal bonus. The hp may save your life, especially in intense, heavy damage situations, but there is (arguably) plenty of hp to go around nowadays and 2 damage ALWAYS makes you faster at killing (in other words, getting things done quicker).

I say ranger or 2nd lifer. The second life character would only have 1 less damage from past lives, and, as you said, you would like the full build points.

thanks Zyxas, appreciate the feedback.

anyone else with suggestions on which of my possible past lives would provide the best starting point?

[Carpone]

A 62 stunning blow dc should be awesome in epic elite, my monk has a 65 stunning fist atm and he stuns almost everything. Are you sure it was a 62 you were getting, I'm just curious because the DC is (10 + Str mod + other modifiers)

10 + 20 (50 str) + 10 stunning ring +5 combat mastery + 3 fighter past lives +3 wf tactics= 51

How are you getting to a 62 dc? That would require a 72 str, of course unless the wiki is not updated with the correct stunning blow dc breakdown or I am missing something from the DC.

I understand monks get a very very high off hand proc with stunning fist compared to thf , but it still should be pretty **** good if you can get a 62 stunning blow.

Stunning Blow != Stunning Fist. I'd be thrilled with a 62 DC Stunning Fist in EE Tor. Not so much with Stunning Blow.

18 STR (16 points) + 6 level ups + 5 tome + 5 primal scream + 8 item + 3 insightful + 1 exceptional + 4 alchemical + 2 yugo + 2 ship + 2 profane + 3 ED + 1 Echoes = 60.

Stunning Blow: 10 base + 10 item + 6 mastery item + 6 LD tactics + 1 Fighter PL + 3 Warforged Tactics + 1 Echoes + 25 STR bonus = 62 DC.

[MrToby]

Hello!

I love the build, I've been using the paladin version but I'm confuddled when it comes to twists;
What would you consider generally more useful? Grim Precision or Momentum Swing?

Grim Precision: 15% fort bypass and 3% dodge bypass

I figured as I use esos Grim Precision would be the better option, but I'm not sure.

Any thoughts?

[Carpone]

Hello!

I love the build, I've been using the paladin version but I'm confuddled when it comes to twists;
What would you consider generally more useful? Grim Precision or Momentum Swing?

Grim Precision: 15% fort bypass and 3% dodge bypass

I figured as I use esos Grim Precision would be the better option, but I'm not sure.

Any thoughts?

Grim Precision for raids.

If you've got less than 50% fortification bypass, then Grim Precision for EE Tor.

[MrToby]

Grim Precision for raids.

If you've got less than 50% fortification bypass, then Grim Precision for EE Tor.

Makes sense, thank you.

[Forzah]

Hello!

I love the build, I've been using the paladin version but I'm confuddled when it comes to twists;
What would you consider generally more useful? Grim Precision or Momentum Swing?

Grim Precision: 15% fort bypass and 3% dodge bypass

I figured as I use esos Grim Precision would be the better option, but I'm not sure.

Any thoughts?

I'm usually using the tier 4 monk ability with 10% fort bypass, true seeing and ghost touch. Maybe a bit less damage, but I find the true seeing part quite convenient.

[AtomicMew]

This may be a stupid question, but what do you do for arrows for manyshot, since you don't have conjure arrows from AA?

[paraplegic]

i use returning arrows, since bow brings +8 to arrows

[AtomicMew]

i use returning arrows, since bow brings +8 to arrows

Cool, where did you get the returning arrows?

[Hobgoblin]

Cool, where did you get the returning arrows?

house d favor

you can buy 75% returning from him


hob